---------------------------------------------------------- AeroElectric-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 10/10/16: 19 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 10:17 AM - Re: Re: Thermostatic switch/relay (Bill Watson) 2. 10:33 AM - Re: Re: Thermostatic switch/relay (Carlos Trigo) 3. 10:51 AM - Re: Re: Thermostatic switch/relay (Charlie England) 4. 11:10 AM - Re: Re: Thermostatic switch/relay (Carlos Trigo) 5. 11:18 AM - Re: Re: Thermostatic switch/relay (Art Zemon) 6. 11:44 AM - Re: Re: Thermostatic switch/relay (Carlos Trigo) 7. 11:48 AM - Re: Thermostatic switch/relay - Garmin 430W/530W (David Lloyd) 8. 12:13 PM - Re: Re: Thermostatic switch/relay (Charlie England) 9. 01:18 PM - Re: Re: Thermostatic switch/relay (Bill Watson) 10. 01:33 PM - Re: Thermostatic switch/relay - Garmin 430W/530W (Sebastien) 11. 01:38 PM - Loom mounting (MLE) 12. 01:41 PM - Re: Thermostatic switch/relay - Garmin 430W/530W (David Lloyd) 13. 01:58 PM - Re: Loom mounting (John Morgensen) 14. 02:04 PM - Re: Thermostatic switch/relay - Garmin 430W/530W (GTH) 15. 02:16 PM - Re: Loom mounting (GTH) 16. 03:00 PM - Anyone have a B&C LR3b Voltage Regulator handy? (Bill Watson) 17. 03:54 PM - Re: Anyone have a B&C LR3b Voltage Regulator handy? (William Greenley) 18. 04:26 PM - Re: Thermostatic switch/relay (user9253) 19. 06:47 PM - Re: Re: Thermostatic switch/relay (ashleysc@broadstripe.net) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 10:17:20 AM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Thermostatic switch/relay From: Bill Watson That's what I did - just have it on all the time. Simplicity On 10/8/2016 9:28 PM, user9253 wrote: > > It will not hurt anything to leave the fans running continuously. > > -------- > Joe Gores > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=461109#461109 > > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:33:43 AM PST US From: "Carlos Trigo" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Re: Thermostatic switch/relay Well, it can be, but I am too sensitive to noise ... Regards Carlos -----Mensagem original----- De: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] Em nome de Bill Watson Enviada: Monday, October 10, 2016 6:15 PM Para: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com Assunto: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Thermostatic switch/relay --> That's what I did - just have it on all the time. Simplicity On 10/8/2016 9:28 PM, user9253 wrote: > --> > > It will not hurt anything to leave the fans running continuously. > > -------- > Joe Gores > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=461109#461109 > > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:51:54 AM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Thermostatic switch/relay From: Charlie England Say what? Is there supposed to be a winking emotie after that statement? If not, you might need to consider another hobby. :-) Seriously, the big fan will hide the noise of any number of cooling fans you might install in/behind the panel. Charlie On 10/10/2016 12:31 PM, Carlos Trigo wrote: > > Well, it can be, but I am too sensitive to noise ... > > Regards > Carlos > > -----Mensagem original----- > De: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] Em nome de Bill Watson > Enviada: Monday, October 10, 2016 6:15 PM > Para: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > Assunto: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Thermostatic switch/relay > > --> > > That's what I did - just have it on all the time. Simplicity > > On 10/8/2016 9:28 PM, user9253 wrote: >> --> >> >> It will not hurt anything to leave the fans running continuously. >> >> -------- >> Joe Gores >> ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:10:10 AM PST US From: "Carlos Trigo" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Re: Thermostatic switch/relay Hello Charlie Yes, a friend of mine who happens to be a doctor (ear nose & throat) tells me that I probably have a higher sensibility to some frequencies ... And I don't like that noise when the big fan is not swinging. Carlos -----Mensagem original----- De: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] Em nome de Charlie England Enviada: Monday, October 10, 2016 6:50 PM Para: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com Assunto: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Thermostatic switch/relay --> Say what? Is there supposed to be a winking emotie after that statement? If not, you might need to consider another hobby. :-) Seriously, the big fan will hide the noise of any number of cooling fans you might install in/behind the panel. Charlie On 10/10/2016 12:31 PM, Carlos Trigo wrote: > --> > > Well, it can be, but I am too sensitive to noise ... > > Regards > Carlos > > -----Mensagem original----- > De: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] Em nome de Bill > Watson > Enviada: Monday, October 10, 2016 6:15 PM > Para: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > Assunto: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Thermostatic switch/relay > > --> > > That's what I did - just have it on all the time. Simplicity > > On 10/8/2016 9:28 PM, user9253 wrote: >> --> >> >> It will not hurt anything to leave the fans running continuously. >> >> -------- >> Joe Gores >> ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:18:15 AM PST US From: Art Zemon Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Thermostatic switch/relay Wait... you're flying an AIRPLANE and you're worried about the noise in the cockpit from a fan???? Have you considered a glider? -- Art Z. (only half kidding) On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 12:31 PM, Carlos Trigo wrote: > trigo@mail.telepac.pt> > > Well, it can be, but I am too sensitive to noise ... -- https://CheerfulCurmudgeon.com/ *"If I am not for myself, who is for me? And if I am only for myself, what am I? And if not now, when?" Hillel* ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:44:26 AM PST US From: "Carlos Trigo " Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Re: Thermostatic switch/relay Yes Art I also fly gliders, and must confess that glider flying is indeed the supreme flying experience! No kidding Carlos P.S. =93 I must add that I=99m still puzzled why we don=99t care to reduce noise inside airplanes like the car builders have already done it De: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] Em nome de Art Zemon Enviada: 10 de outubro de 2016 19:17 Para: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com Assunto: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Thermostatic switch/relay Wait... you're flying an AIRPLANE and you're worried about the noise in the cockpit from a fan???? Have you considered a glider? -- Art Z. (only half kidding) On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 12:31 PM, Carlos Trigo > wrote: > Well, it can be, but I am too sensitive to noise ... -- https://CheerfulCurmudgeon.com/ "If I am not for myself, who is for me? And if I am only for myself, what am I? And if not now, when?" Hillel ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:48:26 AM PST US From: "David Lloyd" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Thermostatic switch/relay - Garmin 430W/530W Fans for the Garmin Navigators. . . Both the 430 and 530 run "hot", at least from my point of view. This is normal says Garmin and I was wondering if any of you guys have installed rear fans to assist in shedding some of the heat. And, how you did the mounting,etc. I think using the small computer type fans can be installed to run full time when the panel is operating. They seem to do this in computers and last for years. It is the mounting of the fan that I think is a problem. Ideas. . . David ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlie England" Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2016 6:07 PM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Thermostatic switch/relay > > > On 10/8/2016 6:26 PM, Carlos Trigo wrote: >> >> >> Guys >> >> I installed a couple of cooling fans in my RV-10 dashboard, actually >> copying other builders idea, to extract heated air from the back of the >> avionics, which is blown in the inside face of the windshield, thus also >> serving as a windshield defrost system. >> >> I am planning to use a 3 position switch, off, on, and automatic, in >> which this last position is to be connected to a thermostatic >> switch/relay that will turn on the coolers only when the temperature >> behind the avionics reaches a preset or an adjustable temperature. >> >> Will somebody please point me to such a thermostatic switch/relay, and a >> source for it. >> >> Thanks >> Carlos > I googled '12 volt thermostat'. > https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=12%20volt%20thermostat > > The 1st one I checked says it will do both heating & cooling: > https://www.amazon.com/12V-Digital-Temperature-Controller-Thermostat/dp/B00C4TEEF2 > Web site for it: > http://www.thermomart.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=149 > > Does that help, as a starting point? > > Charlie > > > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:13:36 PM PST US From: Charlie England Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Thermostatic switch/relay I don't think that we don't care; it's just much more difficult to achieve in an a/c. For perspective, several years ago one of the European auto mfgrs was looking at using active noise cancelling in the cabin of their cars. Their initial efforts at a (very complex, multi sensor, multi transducer) system seemed to work ok, and by their numbers, they would have been able to remove close to 100 lbs of sound reduction material from the car by using the system. This was on a car that sells for far north of $50K, and development costs would be spread over hundreds of thousands of units. Now, if I try the passive noise reduction approach in my 1000 lb plane, I've added 10% to the empty weight, and I haven't yet added the additional 60-80 lbs of muffler/exhaust system that the car carries. Just not practical, unless you can afford a jet, and the weight it can carry. Even then, you're not likely to come close to a premium car in noise level. On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 1:41 PM, Carlos Trigo wrote : > Yes Art > > > I also fly gliders, and must confess that glider flying is indeed the > supreme flying experience! > > > No kidding > > Carlos > > > P.S. =93 I must add that I=99m still puzzled why we don =99t care to reduce noise > inside airplanes like the car builders have already done it > > > *De:* owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] *Em nome de *Art Zemon > *Enviada:* 10 de outubro de 2016 19:17 > *Para:* aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > *Assunto:* Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Thermostatic switch/relay > > > Wait... you're flying an AIRPLANE and you're worried about the noise in > the cockpit from a fan???? Have you considered a glider? > > > -- Art Z. (only half kidding) > > > On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 12:31 PM, Carlos Trigo > wrote: > > trigo@mail.telepac.pt> > > Well, it can be, but I am too sensitive to noise ... > > > -- > > https://CheerfulCurmudgeon.com/ > > *"If I am not for myself, who is for me? And if I am only for myself, wha t > am I? And if not now, when?" Hillel* > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:18:37 PM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Thermostatic switch/relay From: Bill Watson I agree on the supreme experience but there's nothing quiet about it. Whether slogging around in a drafty 2-33 or zooming about in a modern 18m racer with the speed-to-fly audio constantly sounding off, it's noisy ;-) Bill "who still gets airsick from the sound of a vario" Watson On 10/10/2016 2:41 PM, Carlos Trigo wrote: > > Yes Art > > I also fly gliders, and must confess that glider flying is indeed the > supreme flying experience! > > No kidding > > Carlos > > P.S. I must add that Im still puzzled why we dont care to reduce > noise inside airplanes like the car builders have already done it > > *De:*owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] *Em nome de *Art > Zemon > *Enviada:* 10 de outubro de 2016 19:17 > *Para:* aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > *Assunto:* Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Thermostatic switch/relay > > Wait... you're flying an AIRPLANE and you're worried about the noise > in the cockpit from a fan???? Have you considered a glider? > > -- Art Z. (only half kidding) > > On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 12:31 PM, Carlos Trigo > wrote: > > > > > Well, it can be, but I am too sensitive to noise ... > > > -- > > https://CheerfulCurmudgeon.com/ > > /"If I am not for myself, who is for me? And if I am only for myself, > what am I? And if not now, when?" Hillel/ > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:33:56 PM PST US From: Sebastien Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Thermostatic switch/relay - Garmin 430W/530W Mounting fans in my BD-4 was very easy. First I glued coarse plastic mesh to the exhaust sides of the fans and wired them to the avionics fuse block (no individual switch for the fans). To install cut two round holes in the dash, put a lip around the edges, and attach with machine screws. Sebastien > On Oct 10, 2016, at 14:46, David Lloyd wrote: > > > Fans for the Garmin Navigators. . . > Both the 430 and 530 run "hot", at least from my point of view. This is normal says Garmin and I was wondering if any of you guys have installed rear fans to assist in shedding some of the heat. > And, how you did the mounting,etc. > I think using the small computer type fans can be installed to run full time when the panel is operating. They seem to do this in computers and last for years. It is the mounting of the fan that I think is a problem. > Ideas. . . > David > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlie England" > To: > Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2016 6:07 PM > Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Thermostatic switch/relay > > >> >>> On 10/8/2016 6:26 PM, Carlos Trigo wrote: >>> >>> Guys >>> >>> I installed a couple of cooling fans in my RV-10 dashboard, actually copying other builders idea, to extract heated air from the back of the avionics, which is blown in the inside face of the windshield, thus also serving as a windshield defrost system. >>> >>> I am planning to use a 3 position switch, off, on, and automatic, in which this last position is to be connected to a thermostatic switch/relay that will turn on the coolers only when the temperature behind the avionics reaches a preset or an adjustable temperature. >>> >>> Will somebody please point me to such a thermostatic switch/relay, and a source for it. >>> >>> Thanks >>> Carlos >> I googled '12 volt thermostat'. >> https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=12%20volt%20thermostat >> >> The 1st one I checked says it will do both heating & cooling: >> https://www.amazon.com/12V-Digital-Temperature-Controller-Thermostat/dp/B00C4TEEF2 >> Web site for it: >> http://www.thermomart.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=149 >> >> Does that help, as a starting point? >> >> Charlie > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:38:13 PM PST US From: MLE Subject: AeroElectric-List: Loom mounting How about a dab of pro-seal at each end rib? Time: 08:44:02 AM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Loom mounting From: "whodja" I have to install loom in the wing rib lightning holes. Any recommendations on how to adhere it to the edge of the hole? The loom runs the length of the wing perpendicular to the ribs. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=461093#461093 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:41:58 PM PST US From: "David Lloyd" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Thermostatic switch/relay - Garmin 430W/530W . . . .Neat idea. . . .!! ____________________________________________________ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sebastien" Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 1:32 PM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Thermostatic switch/relay - Garmin 430W/530W > > Mounting fans in my BD-4 was very easy. First I glued coarse plastic mesh > to the exhaust sides of the fans and wired them to the avionics fuse block > (no individual switch for the fans). To install cut two round holes in the > dash, put a lip around the edges, and attach with machine screws. > > Sebastien > >> On Oct 10, 2016, at 14:46, David Lloyd wrote: >> >> >> >> Fans for the Garmin Navigators. . . >> Both the 430 and 530 run "hot", at least from my point of view. This is >> normal says Garmin and I was wondering if any of you guys have installed >> rear fans to assist in shedding some of the heat. >> And, how you did the mounting,etc. >> I think using the small computer type fans can be installed to run full >> time when the panel is operating. They seem to do this in computers and >> last for years. It is the mounting of the fan that I think is a problem. >> Ideas. . . >> David >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlie England" >> >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2016 6:07 PM >> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Thermostatic switch/relay >> >> >>> >>> >>>> On 10/8/2016 6:26 PM, Carlos Trigo wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Guys >>>> >>>> I installed a couple of cooling fans in my RV-10 dashboard, actually >>>> copying other builders idea, to extract heated air from the back of the >>>> avionics, which is blown in the inside face of the windshield, thus >>>> also serving as a windshield defrost system. >>>> >>>> I am planning to use a 3 position switch, off, on, and automatic, in >>>> which this last position is to be connected to a thermostatic >>>> switch/relay that will turn on the coolers only when the temperature >>>> behind the avionics reaches a preset or an adjustable temperature. >>>> >>>> Will somebody please point me to such a thermostatic switch/relay, and >>>> a source for it. >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> Carlos >>> I googled '12 volt thermostat'. >>> https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=12%20volt%20thermostat >>> >>> The 1st one I checked says it will do both heating & cooling: >>> https://www.amazon.com/12V-Digital-Temperature-Controller-Thermostat/dp/B00C4TEEF2 >>> Web site for it: >>> http://www.thermomart.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=149 >>> >>> Does that help, as a starting point? >>> >>> Charlie >> >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> >> >> >> > > > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:58:18 PM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Loom mounting From: John Morgensen Google "suspension clamp". I used the ones from Oatey with 1/2 cpvc pipe. john On 10/10/2016 1:34 PM, MLE wrote: > How about a dab of pro-seal at each end rib? > > > Time: 08:44:02 AM PST US > Subject: AeroElectric-List: Loom mounting > From: "whodja" > > > > I have to install loom in the wing rib lightning holes. Any > recommendations on > how to adhere it to the edge of the hole? The loom runs the length of > the wing > perpendicular to the ribs. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=461093#461093 > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:04:57 PM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Thermostatic switch/relay - Garmin 430W/530W From: GTH /Le 10/10/2016 20:46, David Lloyd a crit : / > > / / > Fans for the Garmin Navigators. . . > This is normal says Garmin and I was wondering if any of you guys have > installed rear fans to assist in shedding some of the heat. > / David and all, We got a 400. No cooling fan. > / It is the mounting of the fan that I think is a problem. > Ideas. . . / We did indeed install an "defogging fan". Some info here http://contrails.free.fr/cellule_defog_en.php Defogging is efficient, but a bit slow. No problem for us, as the windscreens gathers fog only on the ground and clears as soon as we're airborne. No noise audible with headsets on. Hope this helps. -- Best regards, Gilles http://contrails.free.fr http://lapierre.skunkworks.free.fr ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:16:51 PM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Loom mounting From: GTH /Le 10/10/2016 22:56, John Morgensen a crit : / > // > > / I used the ones from Oatey with 1/2 cpvc pipe./ > Hi all, We did use an electrical PVC pipe. -- Best regards, Gilles http://contrails.free.fr http://lapierre.skunkworks.free.fr ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:00:29 PM PST US From: Bill Watson Subject: AeroElectric-List: Anyone have a B&C LR3b Voltage Regulator handy? I have 2 LR3bs installed on the firewall of my RV10 and need help. The voltage output regulator screw is under a plastic cap on the unit. I need the diameter of that brass screw's head. The problem is that I need to adjust the voltage on one of the units but I can't get a screwdriver on the head of this tiny screw because of where the units are located. My solution is to fashion a screw driver with a piece of brass tubing slightly larger than the screw to help guide the screw into the slot. My guess is that the screw's head is about 1/8" in diameter but that is only a guess. Plus/minus 1/32" would do the trick. Thanks in advance! Bill Watson --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 03:54:56 PM PST US From: William Greenley Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Anyone have a B&C LR3b Voltage Regulator handy? I have one out I can check this evening. On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 5:58 PM, Bill Watson wrote: > Mauledriver@nc.rr.com> > > I have 2 LR3bs installed on the firewall of my RV10 and need help. The > voltage output regulator screw is under a plastic cap on the unit. I need > the diameter of that brass screw's head. > > The problem is that I need to adjust the voltage on one of the units but I > can't get a screwdriver on the head of this tiny screw because of where the > units are located. My solution is to fashion a screw driver with a piece > of brass tubing slightly larger than the screw to help guide the screw into > the slot. > > My guess is that the screw's head is about 1/8" in diameter but that is > only a guess. Plus/minus 1/32" would do the trick. Thanks in advance! > > Bill Watson > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 04:26:06 PM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Thermostatic switch/relay From: "user9253" Instead of buying a speed controller or thermostat, buy a fan that comes with a speed selector switch. Let the buyer beware when it comes to manufacturer's claims of quiet. Larger diameter and slower speed usually results in less noise. A 120 mm fan will be quieter than an 80 mm fan. Compare the RPM and Db ratings. Computer fans are designed to operate at 12 volts. They might run faster and make more noise at 14 volts. The voltage can be dropped with a resistor or diodes. The Antec TrueQuiet 120mm LED fan has two speeds and silicone mounting grommets. -------- Joe Gores Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=461155#461155 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:47:40 PM PST US From: ashleysc@broadstripe.net Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Thermostatic switch/relay Hi Carlos; One word: weight. Cheers! Stu. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carlos Trigo" Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 11:41:50 AM Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Re: Thermostatic switch/relay Yes Art I also fly gliders, and must confess that glider flying is indeed the supre me flying experience! No kidding Carlos P.S. =93 I must add that I=99m still puzzled why we don =99t care to reduce noise inside airplanes like the car builders have alrea dy done it De: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric -list-server@matronics.com] Em nome de Art Zemon Enviada: 10 de outubro de 2016 19:17 Para: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com Assunto: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Thermostatic switch/relay Wait... you're flying an AIRPLANE and you're worried about the noise in the cockpit from a fan???? Have you considered a glider? -- Art Z. (only half kidding) On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 12:31 PM, Carlos Trigo < trigo@mail.telepac.pt > wr ote: c.pt > Well, it can be, but I am too sensitive to noise ... -- https://CheerfulCurmudgeon.com/ "If I am not for myself, who is for me? And if I am only for myself, what a m I? And if not now, when?" 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