---------------------------------------------------------- AeroElectric-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 01/07/17: 24 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:37 AM - Author: Blueberry (JOHN TIPTON) 2. 01:25 AM - Re: Author: Blueberry (Rob Turk) 3. 03:48 AM - Re: Author: Blueberry (Alec Myers) 4. 03:50 AM - Re: Author: Blueberry (Alec Myers) 5. 05:07 AM - Re: Author: Blueberry (Rob Turk) 6. 05:52 AM - Re: Rotax 912iS questions (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 7. 06:59 AM - Re: Author: Blueberry (John Tipton) 8. 08:14 AM - Re: Author: Blueberry (Sebastien) 9. 08:25 AM - Re: Author: Blueberry () 10. 09:37 AM - Re: Author: Blueberry (Rob Turk) 11. 09:47 AM - Re: Author: Blueberry (Dj Merrill) 12. 11:05 AM - Re: Author: Blueberry (David Lloyd) 13. 11:28 AM - Re: Author: Blueberry (David Saylor) 14. 11:31 AM - Re: Rotax 912iS questions (GTH) 15. 11:43 AM - Re: Author: Blueberry (Charlie England) 16. 12:52 PM - Re: Author: Blueberry (JOHN TIPTON) 17. 01:23 PM - Re: Re: Author: Blueberry (Charlie England) 18. 01:29 PM - Return of the Rotax 912/914 PM alternator (GTH) 19. 01:35 PM - Re: Author: Blueberry (JOHN TIPTON) 20. 02:02 PM - Re: Re: Author: Blueberry (Charlie England) 21. 05:18 PM - Re: Rotax 912iS questions (GTH) 22. 07:20 PM - Re: Author: Blueberry (donjohnston) 23. 07:23 PM - Re: Author: Blueberry (donjohnston) 24. 07:44 PM - Re: Re: Author: Blueberry (Charlie England) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:37:46 AM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Author: Blueberry From: "JOHN TIPTON" Dear Mr Dralle Is anything being done about the non relevant emails emanating from 'Blueberry' Regards: John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=464823#464823 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:25:41 AM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Author: Blueberry From: Rob Turk It seems part of the Matronics subscriber list has been leaked or harvested a number of years ago, and this results in spam every now and then. I'm not getting any spam from Blueberry so it's not coming through the Matronics site itself. But I do get spam from other sources. As I use a unique email address for Matronics, I can tell that that address has been leaked or harvested at some point. Our addresses are now in spammer databases and there's very little you can do about it. Matt can't help, Bob can't help. All you can do is use unique email addresses per subscription, and if the spam level becomes annoying for that address, just toss that email address and use a new one. I have my own domain, so it's just a matter of setting up a new alias. Rob On 1/7/2017 9:34 AM, JOHN TIPTON wrote: > > Dear Mr Dralle > > Is anything being done about the non relevant emails emanating from 'Blueberry' > > Regards: John > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=464823#464823 > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:48:54 AM PST US From: Alec Myers Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Author: Blueberry Beg to differ, Rob. It's very recent - i've only been a subscriber for a month or two and I'm getting them. And it's 99% certain it's all coming directly through the list server judging by the headers and signature. No spammer would bother spoofing all that information. On Jan 7, 2017, at 04:22, Rob Turk wrote: It seems part of the Matronics subscriber list has been leaked or harvested a number of years ago, and this results in spam every now and then. I'm not getting any spam from Blueberry so it's not coming through the Matronics site itself. But I do get spam from other sources. As I use a unique email address for Matronics, I can tell that that address has been leaked or harvested at some point. Our addresses are now in spammer databases and there's very little you can do about it. Matt can't help, Bob can't help. All you can do is use unique email addresses per subscription, and if the spam level becomes annoying for that address, just toss that email address and use a new one. I have my own domain, so it's just a matter of setting up a new alias. Rob > On 1/7/2017 9:34 AM, JOHN TIPTON wrote: > > Dear Mr Dralle > > Is anything being done about the non relevant emails emanating from 'Blueberry' > > Regards: John > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=464823#464823 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:50:52 AM PST US From: Alec Myers Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Author: Blueberry In fact here's the archived spam on the list server website, as proof it's c oming brought the server: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=464821#464821 On Jan 7, 2017, at 06:45, Alec Myers wrote: Beg to differ, Rob. It's very recent - i've only been a subscriber for a mon th or two and I'm getting them. And it's 99% certain it's all coming directly through the list server judgin g by the headers and signature. No spammer would bother spoofing all that in formation. On Jan 7, 2017, at 04:22, Rob Turk wrote: It seems part of the Matronics subscriber list has been leaked or harvested a number of years ago, and this results in spam every now and then. I'm not g etting any spam from Blueberry so it's not coming through the Matronics site itself. But I do get spam from other sources. As I use a unique email addre ss for Matronics, I can tell that that address has been leaked or harvested a t some point. Our addresses are now in spammer databases and there's very li ttle you can do about it. Matt can't help, Bob can't help. All you can do is use unique email addresses per subscription, and if the sp am level becomes annoying for that address, just toss that email address and use a new one. I have my own domain, so it's just a matter of setting up a n ew alias. Rob > On 1/7/2017 9:34 AM, JOHN TIPTON wrote: ld.com> > > Dear Mr Dralle > > Is anything being done about the non relevant emails emanating from 'Blueb erry' > > Regards: John > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=464823#464823 > > > > > > > > > > ========================== ======== ========================== ======== ========================== ======== ========================== ======== ========================== ======== ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:07:41 AM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Author: Blueberry From: Rob Turk I guess my provider filters it as spam then, as I have zero entries for Blueberry anywhere in my mails. On 1/7/2017 12:48 PM, Alec Myers wrote: > In fact here's the archived spam on the list server website, as proof > it's coming brought the server: > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=464821#464821 > > On Jan 7, 2017, at 06:45, Alec Myers > wrote: > > Beg to differ, Rob. It's very recent - i've only been a subscriber for > a month or two and I'm getting them. > > And it's 99% certain it's all coming directly through the list server > judging by the headers and signature. No spammer would bother spoofing > all that information. > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:52:35 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Rotax 912iS questions >> So, getting back to the original questions >> on switches . . . ANYTHING B&C sells in the >> way of switches is entirely adequate to >> the task. > >So can we consider there is no problem bringing the two permanent 10 >amp pump wires and the two 7.5 amp "lane" wires to the panel ? Sure . . . I wouldn't add relays to the system to keep panel currents low. This just drives up parts count and offers little if any benefit. Bob . . . --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:59:14 AM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Author: Blueberry From: John Tipton Hi Rob Are you saying that when you view they 'aeroelectric list forum' you do not s ee the posts from 'blueberryjerry' either John Sent from my iPad ----x--O--x---- > On 7 Jan 2017, at 01:04 pm, Rob Turk wrote: > > I guess my provider filters it as spam then, as I have zero entries for Bl ueberry anywhere in my mails. > >> On 1/7/2017 12:48 PM, Alec Myers wrote: >> In fact here's the archived spam on the list server website, as proof it' s coming brought the server: >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=464821#464821 >> >> On Jan 7, 2017, at 06:45, Alec Myers wrote: >> >> Beg to differ, Rob. It's very recent - i've only been a subscriber for a m onth or two and I'm getting them. >> >> And it's 99% certain it's all coming directly through the list server jud ging by the headers and signature. No spammer would bother spoofing all that information. > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:14:10 AM PST US From: Sebastien Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Author: Blueberry Same question about the courtesy car app spam. Sebastien > On Jan 7, 2017, at 00:34, JOHN TIPTON wrote: > > > Dear Mr Dralle > > Is anything being done about the non relevant emails emanating from 'Blueberry' > > Regards: John > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=464823#464823 > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:25:04 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Author: Blueberry I've been receiving those too, with Aeroelectric headers... -----Original Message----- From: JOHN TIPTON Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2017 3:34 AM Subject: AeroElectric-List: Author: Blueberry Dear Mr Dralle Is anything being done about the non relevant emails emanating from 'Blueberry' Regards: John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=464823#464823 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:37:10 AM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Author: Blueberry From: Rob Turk Hi John, I never visit the forum online, I receive the emails in my inbox. No trace of any blueberry or related sender there. Rob On 1/7/2017 3:26 PM, John Tipton wrote: > Hi Rob > > Are you saying that when you view they 'aeroelectric list forum' you > do not see the posts from 'blueberryjerry' either > > John > > Sent from my iPad > > ----x--O--x---- > > On 7 Jan 2017, at 01:04 pm, Rob Turk > wrote: > >> I guess my provider filters it as spam then, as I have zero entries >> for Blueberry anywhere in my mails. >> >> On 1/7/2017 12:48 PM, Alec Myers wrote: >>> In fact here's the archived spam on the list server website, as >>> proof it's coming brought the server: >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=464821#464821 >>> >>> On Jan 7, 2017, at 06:45, Alec Myers >> > wrote: >>> >>> Beg to differ, Rob. It's very recent - i've only been a subscriber >>> for a month or two and I'm getting them. >>> >>> And it's 99% certain it's all coming directly through the list >>> server judging by the headers and signature. No spammer would bother >>> spoofing all that information. >>> >>> >>> >> ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:47:27 AM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Author: Blueberry From: Dj Merrill On 1/7/2017 12:33 PM, Rob Turk wrote: > I never visit the forum online, I receive the emails in my inbox. No > trace of any blueberry or related sender there. Same here, but I am getting the emails. You must have a local filter that is preventing them from showing up in your Inbox. The spam is definitely going through the list. do not archive -Dj ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:05:07 AM PST US From: "David Lloyd" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Author: Blueberry . . . Same here..! There were about 20 "blueberry" emails in my emails this morning that had the authenticated "aeroelectric-list" address. D ____________________________________________________________________ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dj Merrill" Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2017 9:44 AM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Author: Blueberry > > On 1/7/2017 12:33 PM, Rob Turk wrote: >> I never visit the forum online, I receive the emails in my inbox. No >> trace of any blueberry or related sender there. > > > Same here, but I am getting the emails. You must have a local filter that > is preventing them from showing up in your Inbox. The spam is definitely > going through the list. > > do not archive > > -Dj > > > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:28:29 AM PST US From: David Saylor Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Author: Blueberry I use gmail. I think I saw one blueberry a few days ago. Nothing since. do not archive On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 11:01 AM, David Lloyd wrote: > skywagon@charter.net> > > . . . Same here..! There were about 20 "blueberry" emails in my emails > this morning that had the authenticated "aeroelectric-list" address. > D > > ____________________________________________________________________ > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dj Merrill" > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2017 9:44 AM > Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Author: Blueberry > > >> >> On 1/7/2017 12:33 PM, Rob Turk wrote: >> >>> I never visit the forum online, I receive the emails in my inbox. No >>> trace of any blueberry or related sender there. >>> >> >> >> Same here, but I am getting the emails. You must have a local filter >> that is preventing them from showing up in your Inbox. The spam is >> definitely going through the list. >> >> do not archive >> >> -Dj >> >> >> >> >> >> > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:31:56 AM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Rotax 912iS questions From: GTH /Le 07/01/2017 14:49, Robert L. Nuckolls, III a crit :// / >> / >> So can we consider there is no problem bringing the two permanent 10 >> amp pump wires and the two 7.5 amp "lane" wires to the panel ? >> / > / > Sure . . . I wouldn't add relays to the > system to keep panel currents low. This > just drives up parts count and offers > little if any benefit./ Bob and all, Thank you. Attached is a drawing of how I understand the Rotax schematics. Hope it'll get through. At least it helps me better understand the starting sequence (5 switches in addition to the master switches and start button). Please feel free to comment and point me to errors. Thanks for everything, -- Best regards, Gilles http://contrails.free.fr http://lapierre.skunkworks.free.fr ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:43:25 AM PST US From: Charlie England Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Author: Blueberry Come on, guys. This stuff happens occasionally. A spammer signs up as a regular user, & sends a batch of emails to the list. As soon as Matt catches it, he'll block the new 'member' & it will be over, but I think I've gotten more emails from y'all *about* the spam, than the total number of spam emails from 'blueberry'. Give Matt a chance to do his thing. And BTW, did everyone who's complaining contribute during the fund raiser last fall? ;-) Charlie On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 1:24 PM, David Saylor wrote: > I use gmail. I think I saw one blueberry a few days ago. Nothing since. > > do not archive > > On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 11:01 AM, David Lloyd wrote: > >> skywagon@charter.net> >> >> . . . Same here..! There were about 20 "blueberry" emails in my emails >> this morning that had the authenticated "aeroelectric-list" address. >> D >> >> ____________________________________________________________________ >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dj Merrill" >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2017 9:44 AM >> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Author: Blueberry >> >> >>> >>> On 1/7/2017 12:33 PM, Rob Turk wrote: >>> >>>> I never visit the forum online, I receive the emails in my inbox. No >>>> trace of any blueberry or related sender there. >>>> >>> >>> >>> Same here, but I am getting the emails. You must have a local filter >>> that is preventing them from showing up in your Inbox. The spam is >>> definitely going through the list. >>> >>> do not archive >>> >>> -Dj >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> =================================== >> - >> Electric-List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www. >> matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List >> =================================== >> FORUMS - >> eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com >> =================================== >> WIKI - >> errer" target="_blank">http://wiki.matronics.com >> =================================== >> b Site - >> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >> rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> =================================== >> >> >> >> > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:52:18 PM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Author: Blueberry From: "JOHN TIPTON" So you think 'blueberryjerry' is a member, however if this was moderated more efficiently this would have been picked up sooner, i don't think the fund raising/charity thing has anything to do with it Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=464850#464850 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:23:39 PM PST US From: Charlie England Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Author: Blueberry On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 2:47 PM, JOHN TIPTON wrote: > jmtipton@btopenworld.com> > > So you think 'blueberryjerry' is a member, however if this was moderated > more efficiently this would have been picked up sooner, i don't think the > fund raising/charity thing has anything to do with it > I'll assume you're referring to my recent post, though I can't tell for sure since I get the list via email and if you don't quote at least part of the post you're responding to, none of us on the email server can tell who you're responding to. My point is that if all you do is suck from the teat, you've no right to complain about what the cow eats. (In case you've never been outside the city limits, that's where milk actually comes from.) The fund raiser isn't a charity. It's intended to help Matt cover his expenses running this, and a lot of other lists/forums. In case you haven't noticed, there's no advertising in these lists or the forums; not even for the products that Matt produces and sells. If you think about it, a handful of spam emails is noteworthy only because of its rarity here. Kinda like the news media focusing on every a/c crash, when thousands of car crashes happen every day. You can't post here without being a member. I can testify to that, because I've accidentally tried to post from one of my other email addresses in the past, and I just tested it again a few minutes ago. See below for the response from Matt's server. Charlie quote: Matronics Email Lists 3:05 PM (7 minutes ago) Reply to me >------------------- >--- >--- "Poster: xxxxxxxxxxxx(my other email address) >--- "Subject: test from non member address" >--- >--- Your message was not posted to the AeroElectric-List because the >--- poster is not a member of any Email List on the Matronics Email >--- System. >--- >--- Note that this check can be triggered in some cases where your >--- your message's From: address isn't an *exact* match to the email >--- address that is subscribed. An example of this might be where >--- you are subscribed to a List as: >--- >--- "joe@internet.com" >--- >--- but your email message's From: line shows your address as: >--- >--- "joe@email.internet.com" >--- >--- While these may be functionally the same email address, there is >--- no way for the receiving email system to determine that they are >--- in fact actually the same address. >--- >--- To ressolve this issue, please either change your email >--- applications's configuration so that your From: line matches the >--- email address you have subscribed as, or go to the Subscription >--- Web Site and unsubscribe your old email address an subscribe >--- your actual email address. >--- >--- The Matronics Email List Subscription Web Page can be found at: >--- >--- http://www.matronics.com/subscribe >--- >--- >--- Your message contained the following headers: >--- >--- > From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxx >--- > Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 15:05:41 -0600 >--- > Subject: test from non member address >--- > To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com >--- >------------------- unquote ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:29:06 PM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Return of the Rotax 912/914 PM alternator From: GTH Hi all, From time to time someone raises the Rotax 912/914 alternator subject. Maybe some here will remember that many moons ago we conducted an in-depth study of the Rotax alternator and voltage regulator electrical and thermal performance : http://contrails.free.fr/elec_ducati_en.php Two days ago I paid a visit to the electricity lab where we performed our tests 13 years ago and gess what, there lay "my" alternator, among other DC machines, dynamos and motors. The alternator is now back in my garage again, ready for any additional (static) tests... -- Best regards, Gilles http://contrails.free.fr http://lapierre.skunkworks.free.fr ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 01:35:56 PM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Author: Blueberry From: "JOHN TIPTON" So: 'blueberryjerry' is a member, but no-one can suspend/block his posts Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=464853#464853 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 02:02:19 PM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Author: Blueberry From: Charlie England On 1/7/2017 3:32 PM, JOHN TIPTON wrote: > > So: 'blueberryjerry' is a member, but no-one can suspend/block his posts > Sure. You can. Just mark his emails as spam in your email client. ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 05:18:37 PM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Rotax 912iS questions From: GTH /Le 07/01/2017 20:29, GTH a crit : / > / > Please feel free to comment and point me to errors./ Hi all, Sorry, I just found a mistake : the starter contactor was misplaced ;-( Here is a more correct version. -- Best regards, Gilles http://contrails.free.fr http://lapierre.skunkworks.free.fr ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 07:20:11 PM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Author: Blueberry From: "donjohnston" Hey guys, I don't know the details, but these messages are being posted on the forum. Not sure if they are being posted from a hijacked email address or they're being posted through email. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=464857#464857 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/matronics_871.jpg ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 07:23:38 PM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Author: Blueberry From: "donjohnston" Hey guys, These messages are appearing on the forum as well. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=464858#464858 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/matronics_118.jpg ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 07:44:35 PM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Author: Blueberry From: Charlie England Please, just let it go. If you must tell someone; tell Matt, to be sure he's seen it. The rest of us know that posts to the email list go to the forum, and also that posts to the forum go to the list. We've gotten more spam from legit list members the last couple of days, than from the spammer. :-) Charlie On 1/7/2017 9:17 PM, donjohnston wrote: > > Hey guys, > > These messages are appearing on the forum as well. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message aeroelectric-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/AeroElectric-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/aeroelectric-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/aeroelectric-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.