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1. 03:45 AM - Re: Icom antenna junction box (GLEN MATEJCEK)
2. 04:07 AM - Re: Red/Blue PIDG tool (Alec Myers)
3. 06:15 AM - Re: Red/Blue PIDG tool (johnbright)
4. 10:47 AM - Re: Re: Red/Blue PIDG tool (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
5. 11:07 AM - Re: Re: Red/Blue PIDG tool (don van santen)
6. 11:07 AM - Re: Re: Icom antenna junction box (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
7. 12:58 PM - Re: Re: Red/Blue PIDG tool (Alec Myers)
8. 01:38 PM - Re: Z12-Question (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
9. 02:44 PM - Re: Z12-Question (don van santen)
10. 03:06 PM - CNBTR connector (DANIEL PELLETIER)
11. 03:39 PM - Fw: CNBTR connector (DANIEL PELLETIER)
12. 05:46 PM - Re: Z12-Question (neal.george@gmail.com)
13. 06:25 PM - Re: Red/Blue PIDG tool (johnbright)
14. 06:34 PM - Re: Z12-Question (don van santen)
15. 07:54 PM - ADS-B Misinformation (Paul Millner)
16. 11:21 PM - Re: Z12-Question (Neal George)
17. 11:35 PM - Re: Fw: CNBTR connector (Eric Page)
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| Subject: | Re: Icom antenna junction box |
> Without putting one on the test bench I don't
> KNOW the degree of upset but we know that it's not
> zero.
Well now, as it happens, I've got one in a dusty box somewhere. Knowing
how bored you tend to get *grin* I'd be willing to send it your way if you
are interested.
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| Subject: | Re: Red/Blue PIDG tool |
Sigh. There goes the beer budget for another month.
On Feb 13, 2017, at 20:59, Robert L. Nuckolls, III <nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com>
wrote:
Just ran across an offering of the venerable
AMP 59250 PIDG crimper on ebay
http://tinyurl.com/grw4bdg
I've still got the first one I ever owned. Bought
it while I worked at Cessna the first time. I've
purchased two more since. The price of this
offer on eBay is VERY reasonable for this tool.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Red/Blue PIDG tool |
johnbright wrote:
> Does it do a better job for typical home builder versus RCT-1?
Disregard, I bought the last one.
--------
John Bright, RV-6A, at Finish Kit
Continental Titan IOX-360, 8.5:1, vertical sump, SDSEFI EM-5, injectors in heads.
Aeroelectric Z-12.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=466173#466173
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| Subject: | Re: Red/Blue PIDG tool |
At 08:12 AM 2/14/2017, you wrote:
><john_s_bright@yahoo.com>
>
>
>johnbright wrote:
> > Does it do a better job for typical home builder versus RCT-1?
Short answer, yes. But the contrary question
is, if the AMP T-head is the best, is the
RCT-1 inadequate?
As I described here, the el-cheepo tools produce
mechanically adequate crimps on PIDG terminals
http://tinyurl.com/kfk6jss
They 'ain't pretty' but they work . . .
I own several el-cheepo 3-holers that are
carried in my toolboxes . . . at risk for
being lost or stolen. Or more likely
being an inventory of tools I can give away
to individuals who show an interest and
aptitude for using them well. I've lost
a few 3-holers but I've given away many
more.
The AMP t-head tools are the cream of the
crop for functional utility in application
of PIDG terminals. But it's like comparing
a Craftsman, induction motor, ball bearing
table saw with a ToolCraft, brushed motor,
sleeve bearing saw. BOTH are capable of
making a square cut or dado groove.
But the execution with the later saw
requires more attention on the part of
the operator.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Red/Blue PIDG tool |
I have both the 3 hole and the two position t-head. I never use the three
hole on red or blue amp terminals because they do not look as good and use
more energy to squeez the crimper. My hands have some arthritis so it is
painful to use the three holer. I wish that I could find a t-head for the
yellow amp connercors. I would buy it in a heart beat to avoid the pain.
On Feb 14, 2017 10:53, "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <
nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com> wrote:
> At 08:12 AM 2/14/2017, you wrote:
>
> john_s_bright@yahoo.com>
>
>
> johnbright wrote:
> > Does it do a better job for typical home builder versus RCT-1?
>
>
> Short answer, yes. But the contrary question
> is, if the AMP T-head is the best, is the
> RCT-1 inadequate?
>
> As I described here, the el-cheepo tools produce
> mechanically adequate crimps on PIDG terminals
>
> http://tinyurl.com/kfk6jss
>
> They 'ain't pretty' but they work . . .
>
> I own several el-cheepo 3-holers that are
> carried in my toolboxes . . . at risk for
> being lost or stolen. Or more likely
> being an inventory of tools I can give away
> to individuals who show an interest and
> aptitude for using them well. I've lost
> a few 3-holers but I've given away many
> more.
>
> The AMP t-head tools are the cream of the
> crop for functional utility in application
> of PIDG terminals. But it's like comparing
> a Craftsman, induction motor, ball bearing
> table saw with a ToolCraft, brushed motor,
> sleeve bearing saw. BOTH are capable of
> making a square cut or dado groove.
> But the execution with the later saw
> requires more attention on the part of
> the operator.
>
> Bob . . .
>
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| Subject: | Re: Icom antenna junction box |
At 05:42 AM 2/14/2017, you wrote:
>=C2 >=C2 =C2 Without putting one on the test bench I don't
>=C2 > =C2 KNOW the degree of upset but we know that it's not
>=C2 > =C2 zero.
>
>Well now, as it happens, I've got one in a dusty
>box somewhere.=C2 Knowing how bored you tend to
>get *grin* I'd be willing to send it your way if you are interested.
Sure. I'd like that . . .
The one I photographed was new out of the box
and did function well. Having one with some
effects of aging would be an interesting thing
to ponder.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Red/Blue PIDG tool |
I believe the AMP tool for yellow crimps is a different design: doesn't have
a T head. I just got one on eBay at the same time, $45.
> On Feb 14, 2017, at 2:04 PM, don van santen <donvansanten@gmail.com> wrote
:
>
> I have both the 3 hole and the two position t-head. I never use the three h
ole on red or blue amp terminals because they do not look as good and use mo
re energy to squeez the crimper. My hands have some arthritis so it is painf
ul to use the three holer. I wish that I could find a t-head for the yellow a
mp connercors. I would buy it in a heart beat to avoid the pain.
>
>> On Feb 14, 2017 10:53, "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob@aeroelectr
ic.com> wrote:
>> At 08:12 AM 2/14/2017, you wrote:
oo.com>
>>>
>>>
>>> johnbright wrote:
>>> > Does it do a better job for typical home builder versus RCT-1?
>>
>> Short answer, yes. But the contrary question
>> is, if the AMP T-head is the best, is the
>> RCT-1 inadequate?
>>
>> As I described here, the el-cheepo tools produce
>> mechanically adequate crimps on PIDG terminals
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/kfk6jss
>>
>> They 'ain't pretty' but they work . . .
>>
>> I own several el-cheepo 3-holers that are
>> carried in my toolboxes . . . at risk for
>> being lost or stolen. Or more likely
>> being an inventory of tools I can give away
>> to individuals who show an interest and
>> aptitude for using them well. I've lost
>> a few 3-holers but I've given away many
>> more.
>>
>> The AMP t-head tools are the cream of the
>> crop for functional utility in application
>> of PIDG terminals. But it's like comparing
>> a Craftsman, induction motor, ball bearing
>> table saw with a ToolCraft, brushed motor,
>> sleeve bearing saw. BOTH are capable of
>> making a square cut or dado groove.
>> But the execution with the later saw
>> requires more attention on the part of
>> the operator.
>>
>> Bob . . .
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Z12-Question |
At 10:36 PM 2/13/2017, you wrote:
>Bob,
>No arguments with the Z13/8 being the most robust system for the
>dollars spent. The only thing I do not like about it is having to
>give up perfectly good devices due to an insufficient source of
>electrons to drive them. Z12 has the power, but not the "layers".
Are you telling us that you have enough
equipment on your airplane to basically
overload your main alternator?
>Is it possible/easy to have a parallel battery contactor and switch
>to actuate it? If not than how about a 2 rear replacement cycle for
>the contactor and switch? I already do the the annual replacement of
>the PC680 battery. Any thoughts on this?
>Thanks, Don
It would be REALLY useful to see what the
load analysis for your airplane looks like.
There's a blank form here
http://tinyurl.com/7jqypwj
than helps you organize your power management
decisions and requirements. One page
for each bus. This is usually battery, main
and e-bus. There are also some Excel
examples of load analysis in Excel here
http://tinyurl.com/9rt6ymn
Load analysis is one of the very first development
documents crafted in the design of a new aircraft.
It gets inputs and revisions from all factions of
the design team. Just because you're a team-of-one
doesn't make the document any less useful . . . and
if you'd like to get good input from the team here
on the List, having that equipment list, electrical
demands and mission parameters to look at will
greatly improve the quality of advice we can give.
If you're needing to drive the bus with more than
one alternator to meet present energy needs, I'm
wondering if you've missed a decimal point or
forgot to carry somewhere.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Z12-Question |
Bob,
No I am not in danger of overloading my main alternator. What I was saying
is that if I need to go to my E Bus I have to give up equipment that while
not mandatory for continuation of flight in IFR conditions, it sure helps
to have it. I therefore wanted to try Z12 as my "system". You advised me
that this was not a good idea, as there is no "layering" in Z12. What I
wanted to know is if having parallel battery contactors and control
switches would work in place of the layering that exists in z13/8. I
realize that if the battery fails that the entire system would shut down.
This is the only way that I can see that z13/8 is more robust than z12. I
replace the battery during the annual condition inspection and feel safe
using this system if the parallel contactors do not present any hazard.
Daylight IFR amp load after battery is charged after engine start is 13 to
17A. This can be reduced to 11A but no less This is too heavy a load for
the SD8 to carry. Therefore I want to run the SD20 backup system. I am
thinking that this would be slightly less robust than z14 but more robust
than z12 as originally posted.
On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 1:35 PM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III <
nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com> wrote:
> At 10:36 PM 2/13/2017, you wrote:
>
> Bob,
> No arguments with the Z13/8 being the most robust system for the dollars
> spent. The only thing I do not like about it is having to give up perfectly
> good devices due to an insufficient source of electrons to drive them. Z12
> has the power, but not the "layers".
>
>
> Are you telling us that you have enough
> equipment on your airplane to basically
> overload your main alternator?
>
> Is it possible/easy to have a parallel battery contactor and switch to
> actuate it? If not than how about a 2 rear replacement cycle for the
> contactor and switch? I already do the the annual replacement of the PC680
> battery. Any thoughts on this?
> Thanks, Don
>
>
> It would be REALLY useful to see what the
> load analysis for your airplane looks like.
> There's a blank form here
>
> http://tinyurl.com/7jqypwj
>
> than helps you organize your power management
> decisions and requirements. One page
> for each bus. This is usually battery, main
> and e-bus. There are also some Excel
> examples of load analysis in Excel here
>
> http://tinyurl.com/9rt6ymn
>
> Load analysis is one of the very first development
> documents crafted in the design of a new aircraft.
> It gets inputs and revisions from all factions of
> the design team. Just because you're a team-of-one
> doesn't make the document any less useful . . . and
> if you'd like to get good input from the team here
> on the List, having that equipment list, electrical
> demands and mission parameters to look at will
> greatly improve the quality of advice we can give.
>
> If you're needing to drive the bus with more than
> one alternator to meet present energy needs, I'm
> wondering if you've missed a decimal point or
> forgot to carry somewhere.
>
> Bob . . .
>
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Somebody knows this kind on connector and how to open the female one, to be able
to solder my wires
Daniel Pelletier
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| Subject: | Fwd: CNBTR connector |
>
> Somebody knows this kind on connector and how to open the female one, to be able
to solder my wires.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01DIY1Z12/ref=s9_acsd_hps_bw_c_x_1_w
>
> Daniel Pelletier
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| Subject: | Re: Z12-Question |
If a qualified load analysis indicates that 8 amps will not carry your endurance
loads, it is a simple matter to convert Z13/8 to Z13/20. Exchange the SD8 for
an SD20 and the rectifier-regulator for LR3-C...
Neal George
Sent from my iPhone
> On Feb 13, 2017, at 10:36 PM, don van santen <donvansanten@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Bob,
> No arguments with the Z13/8 being the most robust system for the dollars spent.
The only thing I do not like about it is having to give up perfectly good devices
due to an insufficient source of electrons to drive them. Z12 has the power,
but not the "layers".
> Is it possible/easy to have a parallel battery contactor and switch to actuate
it? If not than how about a 2 rear replacement cycle for the contactor and switch?
I already do the the annual replacement of the PC680 battery. Any thoughts
on this?
> Thanks, Don
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| Subject: | Re: Red/Blue PIDG tool |
nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelect wrote:
> At 08:12 AM 2/14/2017, you wrote:
>
> As I described here, the el-cheepo tools produce
> mechanically adequate crimps on PIDG terminals
>
> http://tinyurl.com/kfk6jss (http://tinyurl.com/kfk6jss)
>
> They 'ain't pretty' but they work . . .
>
> I own several el-cheepo 3-holers that are
> carried in my toolboxes . . . at risk for
> being lost or stolen. Or more likely
> being an inventory of tools I can give away
> to individuals who show an interest and
> aptitude for using them well. I've lost
> a few 3-holers but I've given away many
> more.
>
> The AMP t-head tools are the cream of the
> crop for functional utility in application
> of PIDG terminals. But it's like comparing
> a Craftsman, induction motor, ball bearing
> table saw with a ToolCraft, brushed motor,
> sleeve bearing saw. BOTH are capable of
> making a square cut or dado groove.
> But the execution with the later saw
> requires more attention on the part of
> the operator.
>
> Bob . . .
Thanks Bob,
What I meant to say is I bought the last T head one in stock at the eBay link you
posted.
Now I remember reading your document about PIDG crimpers a few years ago. Great
write up! Is that a typo where it says red is 18-22 gage? Should it be 16-22?
--------
John Bright, RV-6A, at Finish Kit
Continental Titan IOX-360, 8.5:1, vertical sump, SDSEFI EM-5, injectors in heads.
Aeroelectric Z-12.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=466203#466203
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| Subject: | Re: Z12-Question |
That would work. How ever the SD20 will probably not run without a battery.
Also the consept of an endurance bus, at least in my case, becomes
meaningless because I could carry the entire load on the SD20.
z13 allows for contactor and or master switch failure without the lights
going out. Battery failure may also be tolerated with z13 as designed.
Z12 with parallel contactors or a 40A relay to bypass the contactor
allowsthe same protection except for battery failure. I change out the
battery once a year.
Comments?
On Feb 14, 2017 5:52 PM, <neal.george@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> If a qualified load analysis indicates that 8 amps will not carry your
> endurance loads, it is a simple matter to convert Z13/8 to Z13/20.
> Exchange the SD8 for an SD20 and the rectifier-regulator for LR3-C...
>
> Neal George
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Feb 13, 2017, at 10:36 PM, don van santen <donvansanten@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Bob,
> > No arguments with the Z13/8 being the most robust system for the dollars
> spent. The only thing I do not like about it is having to give up perfectly
> good devices due to an insufficient source of electrons to drive them. Z12
> has the power, but not the "layers".
> > Is it possible/easy to have a parallel battery contactor and switch to
> actuate it? If not than how about a 2 rear replacement cycle for the
> contactor and switch? I already do the the annual replacement of the PC680
> battery. Any thoughts on this?
> > Thanks, Don
>
>
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| Subject: | ADS-B Misinformation |
>> The information that I have from Trig... is that Garmin 430w/530w
are not approved as the GPS source unless they are updated per Garmin.
The software update is not currently available and may never become
available.
One has to be VERY careful... for instance, Garmin opined that the 480
was not suitable for use as an ADS-B source without an upgrade.
However... the FAA disagreed. The FAA had approved the 480, as is, under
an STC with the NavWorx UAT box. So as far as the FAA is concerned, the
480 with current software meets the STC and is good to go. Of course,
there's a pending AD that may affect certain of the NavWorx boxes, but
that's not because of the software level of the Garmin 480. So the
Garmin "guidance" is incorrect as far as the FAA is concerned. You'll
have to check on Trig and Avidyne certification separately... but since
the Avidyne unit is a rebadged NavWorx, I'm thinking... no problem.
>> If you remain within the US borders, and never fly above 18,000
feet,978UAT is "good enough".
The US borders mention is a bit of red herring. You can fly your UAT
*outside* US borders as well. Canada has no requirement for ADS-B. There
is an optional use area in an obscure corner of the country, above
27,000'. Most of us aren't going there, and of course, could opt out of
the optional use even if we did.
No other western hemisphere country currently has an ADS-B
requirement... so just where outside of US borders are we concerned?!
Paul
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| Subject: | Re: Z12-Question |
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: CNBTR connector |
Does the threaded collar unscrew from the cable-grip end of the connector body?
If so, you may find one or more screws hidden under the collar that allow the
body to be split. It seems to me that I once used a similar connector made
by Hirose Electric of Japan that opened this way.
Eric
> On Feb 14, 2017, at 3:36 PM, DANIEL PELLETIER <pelletie1959@me.com> wrote:
>> Somebody knows this kind on connector and how to open the female one, to be
able to solder my wires.
>
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01DIY1Z12/ref=s9_acsd_hps_bw_c_x_1_w
>>
>> Daniel Pelletier
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