---------------------------------------------------------- AeroElectric-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 02/14/17: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:45 AM - Re: Icom antenna junction box (GLEN MATEJCEK) 2. 04:07 AM - Re: Red/Blue PIDG tool (Alec Myers) 3. 06:15 AM - Re: Red/Blue PIDG tool (johnbright) 4. 10:47 AM - Re: Re: Red/Blue PIDG tool (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 5. 11:07 AM - Re: Re: Red/Blue PIDG tool (don van santen) 6. 11:07 AM - Re: Re: Icom antenna junction box (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 7. 12:58 PM - Re: Re: Red/Blue PIDG tool (Alec Myers) 8. 01:38 PM - Re: Z12-Question (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 9. 02:44 PM - Re: Z12-Question (don van santen) 10. 03:06 PM - CNBTR connector (DANIEL PELLETIER) 11. 03:39 PM - Fw: CNBTR connector (DANIEL PELLETIER) 12. 05:46 PM - Re: Z12-Question (neal.george@gmail.com) 13. 06:25 PM - Re: Red/Blue PIDG tool (johnbright) 14. 06:34 PM - Re: Z12-Question (don van santen) 15. 07:54 PM - ADS-B Misinformation (Paul Millner) 16. 11:21 PM - Re: Z12-Question (Neal George) 17. 11:35 PM - Re: Fw: CNBTR connector (Eric Page) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:45:43 AM PST US From: GLEN MATEJCEK Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Icom antenna junction box > Without putting one on the test bench I don't > KNOW the degree of upset but we know that it's not > zero. Well now, as it happens, I've got one in a dusty box somewhere. Knowing how bored you tend to get *grin* I'd be willing to send it your way if you are interested. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:07:04 AM PST US From: Alec Myers Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Red/Blue PIDG tool Sigh. There goes the beer budget for another month. On Feb 13, 2017, at 20:59, Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote: Just ran across an offering of the venerable AMP 59250 PIDG crimper on ebay http://tinyurl.com/grw4bdg I've still got the first one I ever owned. Bought it while I worked at Cessna the first time. I've purchased two more since. The price of this offer on eBay is VERY reasonable for this tool. Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:15:16 AM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Red/Blue PIDG tool From: "johnbright" johnbright wrote: > Does it do a better job for typical home builder versus RCT-1? Disregard, I bought the last one. -------- John Bright, RV-6A, at Finish Kit Continental Titan IOX-360, 8.5:1, vertical sump, SDSEFI EM-5, injectors in heads. Aeroelectric Z-12. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=466173#466173 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:47:28 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Red/Blue PIDG tool At 08:12 AM 2/14/2017, you wrote: > > > >johnbright wrote: > > Does it do a better job for typical home builder versus RCT-1? Short answer, yes. But the contrary question is, if the AMP T-head is the best, is the RCT-1 inadequate? As I described here, the el-cheepo tools produce mechanically adequate crimps on PIDG terminals http://tinyurl.com/kfk6jss They 'ain't pretty' but they work . . . I own several el-cheepo 3-holers that are carried in my toolboxes . . . at risk for being lost or stolen. Or more likely being an inventory of tools I can give away to individuals who show an interest and aptitude for using them well. I've lost a few 3-holers but I've given away many more. The AMP t-head tools are the cream of the crop for functional utility in application of PIDG terminals. But it's like comparing a Craftsman, induction motor, ball bearing table saw with a ToolCraft, brushed motor, sleeve bearing saw. BOTH are capable of making a square cut or dado groove. But the execution with the later saw requires more attention on the part of the operator. Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:07:03 AM PST US From: don van santen Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Red/Blue PIDG tool I have both the 3 hole and the two position t-head. I never use the three hole on red or blue amp terminals because they do not look as good and use more energy to squeez the crimper. My hands have some arthritis so it is painful to use the three holer. I wish that I could find a t-head for the yellow amp connercors. I would buy it in a heart beat to avoid the pain. On Feb 14, 2017 10:53, "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" < nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com> wrote: > At 08:12 AM 2/14/2017, you wrote: > > john_s_bright@yahoo.com> > > > johnbright wrote: > > Does it do a better job for typical home builder versus RCT-1? > > > Short answer, yes. But the contrary question > is, if the AMP T-head is the best, is the > RCT-1 inadequate? > > As I described here, the el-cheepo tools produce > mechanically adequate crimps on PIDG terminals > > http://tinyurl.com/kfk6jss > > They 'ain't pretty' but they work . . . > > I own several el-cheepo 3-holers that are > carried in my toolboxes . . . at risk for > being lost or stolen. Or more likely > being an inventory of tools I can give away > to individuals who show an interest and > aptitude for using them well. I've lost > a few 3-holers but I've given away many > more. > > The AMP t-head tools are the cream of the > crop for functional utility in application > of PIDG terminals. But it's like comparing > a Craftsman, induction motor, ball bearing > table saw with a ToolCraft, brushed motor, > sleeve bearing saw. BOTH are capable of > making a square cut or dado groove. > But the execution with the later saw > requires more attention on the part of > the operator. > > Bob . . . > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:07:05 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Icom antenna junction box At 05:42 AM 2/14/2017, you wrote: >=C2 >=C2 =C2 Without putting one on the test bench I don't >=C2 > =C2 KNOW the degree of upset but we know that it's not >=C2 > =C2 zero. > >Well now, as it happens, I've got one in a dusty >box somewhere.=C2 Knowing how bored you tend to >get *grin* I'd be willing to send it your way if you are interested. Sure. I'd like that . . . The one I photographed was new out of the box and did function well. Having one with some effects of aging would be an interesting thing to ponder. Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:58:13 PM PST US From: Alec Myers Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Red/Blue PIDG tool I believe the AMP tool for yellow crimps is a different design: doesn't have a T head. I just got one on eBay at the same time, $45. > On Feb 14, 2017, at 2:04 PM, don van santen wrote : > > I have both the 3 hole and the two position t-head. I never use the three h ole on red or blue amp terminals because they do not look as good and use mo re energy to squeez the crimper. My hands have some arthritis so it is painf ul to use the three holer. I wish that I could find a t-head for the yellow a mp connercors. I would buy it in a heart beat to avoid the pain. > >> On Feb 14, 2017 10:53, "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" wrote: >> At 08:12 AM 2/14/2017, you wrote: oo.com> >>> >>> >>> johnbright wrote: >>> > Does it do a better job for typical home builder versus RCT-1? >> >> Short answer, yes. But the contrary question >> is, if the AMP T-head is the best, is the >> RCT-1 inadequate? >> >> As I described here, the el-cheepo tools produce >> mechanically adequate crimps on PIDG terminals >> >> http://tinyurl.com/kfk6jss >> >> They 'ain't pretty' but they work . . . >> >> I own several el-cheepo 3-holers that are >> carried in my toolboxes . . . at risk for >> being lost or stolen. Or more likely >> being an inventory of tools I can give away >> to individuals who show an interest and >> aptitude for using them well. I've lost >> a few 3-holers but I've given away many >> more. >> >> The AMP t-head tools are the cream of the >> crop for functional utility in application >> of PIDG terminals. But it's like comparing >> a Craftsman, induction motor, ball bearing >> table saw with a ToolCraft, brushed motor, >> sleeve bearing saw. BOTH are capable of >> making a square cut or dado groove. >> But the execution with the later saw >> requires more attention on the part of >> the operator. >> >> Bob . . . >> ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:38:21 PM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Z12-Question At 10:36 PM 2/13/2017, you wrote: >Bob, >No arguments with the Z13/8 being the most robust system for the >dollars spent. The only thing I do not like about it is having to >give up perfectly good devices due to an insufficient source of >electrons to drive them. Z12 has the power, but not the "layers". Are you telling us that you have enough equipment on your airplane to basically overload your main alternator? >Is it possible/easy to have a parallel battery contactor and switch >to actuate it? If not than how about a 2 rear replacement cycle for >the contactor and switch? I already do the the annual replacement of >the PC680 battery. Any thoughts on this? >Thanks, Don It would be REALLY useful to see what the load analysis for your airplane looks like. There's a blank form here http://tinyurl.com/7jqypwj than helps you organize your power management decisions and requirements. One page for each bus. This is usually battery, main and e-bus. There are also some Excel examples of load analysis in Excel here http://tinyurl.com/9rt6ymn Load analysis is one of the very first development documents crafted in the design of a new aircraft. It gets inputs and revisions from all factions of the design team. Just because you're a team-of-one doesn't make the document any less useful . . . and if you'd like to get good input from the team here on the List, having that equipment list, electrical demands and mission parameters to look at will greatly improve the quality of advice we can give. If you're needing to drive the bus with more than one alternator to meet present energy needs, I'm wondering if you've missed a decimal point or forgot to carry somewhere. Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:44:19 PM PST US From: don van santen Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Z12-Question Bob, No I am not in danger of overloading my main alternator. What I was saying is that if I need to go to my E Bus I have to give up equipment that while not mandatory for continuation of flight in IFR conditions, it sure helps to have it. I therefore wanted to try Z12 as my "system". You advised me that this was not a good idea, as there is no "layering" in Z12. What I wanted to know is if having parallel battery contactors and control switches would work in place of the layering that exists in z13/8. I realize that if the battery fails that the entire system would shut down. This is the only way that I can see that z13/8 is more robust than z12. I replace the battery during the annual condition inspection and feel safe using this system if the parallel contactors do not present any hazard. Daylight IFR amp load after battery is charged after engine start is 13 to 17A. This can be reduced to 11A but no less This is too heavy a load for the SD8 to carry. Therefore I want to run the SD20 backup system. I am thinking that this would be slightly less robust than z14 but more robust than z12 as originally posted. On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 1:35 PM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III < nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com> wrote: > At 10:36 PM 2/13/2017, you wrote: > > Bob, > No arguments with the Z13/8 being the most robust system for the dollars > spent. The only thing I do not like about it is having to give up perfectly > good devices due to an insufficient source of electrons to drive them. Z12 > has the power, but not the "layers". > > > Are you telling us that you have enough > equipment on your airplane to basically > overload your main alternator? > > Is it possible/easy to have a parallel battery contactor and switch to > actuate it? If not than how about a 2 rear replacement cycle for the > contactor and switch? I already do the the annual replacement of the PC680 > battery. Any thoughts on this? > Thanks, Don > > > It would be REALLY useful to see what the > load analysis for your airplane looks like. > There's a blank form here > > http://tinyurl.com/7jqypwj > > than helps you organize your power management > decisions and requirements. One page > for each bus. This is usually battery, main > and e-bus. There are also some Excel > examples of load analysis in Excel here > > http://tinyurl.com/9rt6ymn > > Load analysis is one of the very first development > documents crafted in the design of a new aircraft. > It gets inputs and revisions from all factions of > the design team. Just because you're a team-of-one > doesn't make the document any less useful . . . and > if you'd like to get good input from the team here > on the List, having that equipment list, electrical > demands and mission parameters to look at will > greatly improve the quality of advice we can give. > > If you're needing to drive the bus with more than > one alternator to meet present energy needs, I'm > wondering if you've missed a decimal point or > forgot to carry somewhere. > > Bob . . . > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:06:12 PM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: CNBTR connector From: DANIEL PELLETIER Somebody knows this kind on connector and how to open the female one, to be able to solder my wires Daniel Pelletier ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:39:28 PM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Fwd: CNBTR connector From: DANIEL PELLETIER > > Somebody knows this kind on connector and how to open the female one, to be able to solder my wires. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01DIY1Z12/ref=s9_acsd_hps_bw_c_x_1_w > > Daniel Pelletier ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:46:32 PM PST US From: neal.george@gmail.com Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Z12-Question If a qualified load analysis indicates that 8 amps will not carry your endurance loads, it is a simple matter to convert Z13/8 to Z13/20. Exchange the SD8 for an SD20 and the rectifier-regulator for LR3-C... Neal George Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 13, 2017, at 10:36 PM, don van santen wrote: > > Bob, > No arguments with the Z13/8 being the most robust system for the dollars spent. The only thing I do not like about it is having to give up perfectly good devices due to an insufficient source of electrons to drive them. Z12 has the power, but not the "layers". > Is it possible/easy to have a parallel battery contactor and switch to actuate it? If not than how about a 2 rear replacement cycle for the contactor and switch? I already do the the annual replacement of the PC680 battery. Any thoughts on this? > Thanks, Don ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:25:36 PM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Red/Blue PIDG tool From: "johnbright" nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelect wrote: > At 08:12 AM 2/14/2017, you wrote: > > As I described here, the el-cheepo tools produce > mechanically adequate crimps on PIDG terminals > > http://tinyurl.com/kfk6jss (http://tinyurl.com/kfk6jss) > > They 'ain't pretty' but they work . . . > > I own several el-cheepo 3-holers that are > carried in my toolboxes . . . at risk for > being lost or stolen. Or more likely > being an inventory of tools I can give away > to individuals who show an interest and > aptitude for using them well. I've lost > a few 3-holers but I've given away many > more. > > The AMP t-head tools are the cream of the > crop for functional utility in application > of PIDG terminals. But it's like comparing > a Craftsman, induction motor, ball bearing > table saw with a ToolCraft, brushed motor, > sleeve bearing saw. BOTH are capable of > making a square cut or dado groove. > But the execution with the later saw > requires more attention on the part of > the operator. > > Bob . . . Thanks Bob, What I meant to say is I bought the last T head one in stock at the eBay link you posted. Now I remember reading your document about PIDG crimpers a few years ago. Great write up! Is that a typo where it says red is 18-22 gage? Should it be 16-22? -------- John Bright, RV-6A, at Finish Kit Continental Titan IOX-360, 8.5:1, vertical sump, SDSEFI EM-5, injectors in heads. Aeroelectric Z-12. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=466203#466203 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:34:30 PM PST US From: don van santen Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Z12-Question That would work. How ever the SD20 will probably not run without a battery. Also the consept of an endurance bus, at least in my case, becomes meaningless because I could carry the entire load on the SD20. z13 allows for contactor and or master switch failure without the lights going out. Battery failure may also be tolerated with z13 as designed. Z12 with parallel contactors or a 40A relay to bypass the contactor allowsthe same protection except for battery failure. I change out the battery once a year. Comments? On Feb 14, 2017 5:52 PM, wrote: > > If a qualified load analysis indicates that 8 amps will not carry your > endurance loads, it is a simple matter to convert Z13/8 to Z13/20. > Exchange the SD8 for an SD20 and the rectifier-regulator for LR3-C... > > Neal George > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Feb 13, 2017, at 10:36 PM, don van santen > wrote: > > > > Bob, > > No arguments with the Z13/8 being the most robust system for the dollars > spent. The only thing I do not like about it is having to give up perfectly > good devices due to an insufficient source of electrons to drive them. Z12 > has the power, but not the "layers". > > Is it possible/easy to have a parallel battery contactor and switch to > actuate it? If not than how about a 2 rear replacement cycle for the > contactor and switch? I already do the the annual replacement of the PC680 > battery. Any thoughts on this? > > Thanks, Don > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:54:57 PM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: ADS-B Misinformation From: Paul Millner >> The information that I have from Trig... is that Garmin 430w/530w are not approved as the GPS source unless they are updated per Garmin. The software update is not currently available and may never become available. One has to be VERY careful... for instance, Garmin opined that the 480 was not suitable for use as an ADS-B source without an upgrade. However... the FAA disagreed. The FAA had approved the 480, as is, under an STC with the NavWorx UAT box. So as far as the FAA is concerned, the 480 with current software meets the STC and is good to go. Of course, there's a pending AD that may affect certain of the NavWorx boxes, but that's not because of the software level of the Garmin 480. So the Garmin "guidance" is incorrect as far as the FAA is concerned. You'll have to check on Trig and Avidyne certification separately... but since the Avidyne unit is a rebadged NavWorx, I'm thinking... no problem. >> If you remain within the US borders, and never fly above 18,000 feet,978UAT is "good enough". The US borders mention is a bit of red herring. You can fly your UAT *outside* US borders as well. Canada has no requirement for ADS-B. There is an optional use area in an obscure corner of the country, above 27,000'. Most of us aren't going there, and of course, could opt out of the optional use even if we did. No other western hemisphere country currently has an ADS-B requirement... so just where outside of US borders are we concerned?! 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If so, you may find one or more screws hidden under the collar that allow the body to be split. It seems to me that I once used a similar connector made by Hirose Electric of Japan that opened this way. Eric > On Feb 14, 2017, at 3:36 PM, DANIEL PELLETIER wrote: >> Somebody knows this kind on connector and how to open the female one, to be able to solder my wires. > > https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01DIY1Z12/ref=s9_acsd_hps_bw_c_x_1_w >> >> Daniel Pelletier ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message aeroelectric-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/AeroElectric-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/aeroelectric-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/aeroelectric-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.