---------------------------------------------------------- AeroElectric-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 02/16/17: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:53 AM - Re: Fw: CNBTR connector (Jan de Jong) 2. 03:53 AM - Re: Red/Blue PIDG tool (Rich Ulmen) 3. 09:16 AM - Re: Fw: CNBTR connector (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 4. 01:25 PM - Tie Wraps For Wire Bundles (William Hunter) 5. 02:05 PM - Re: Tie Wraps For Wire Bundles (Mike Nellis) 6. 02:39 PM - Re: Tie Wraps For Wire Bundles (user9253) 7. 02:45 PM - Re: Tie Wraps For Wire Bundles (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 8. 03:01 PM - Re: Tie Wraps For Wire Bundles (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 9. 03:27 PM - Re: Tie Wraps For Wire Bundles (morgana.ram) 10. 03:28 PM - Re: Tie Wraps For Wire Bundles (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 11. 03:58 PM - Re: Tie Wraps For Wire Bundles (Mark Wheeler) 12. 04:00 PM - Re: Tie Wraps For Wire Bundles (Stein Bruch) 13. 11:26 PM - Re: Tie Wraps For Wire Bundles (William Hunter) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:53:36 AM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Fwd: CNBTR connector From: Jan de Jong Here the whole range, up to 65 pins: https://www.aliexpress.com/wholesale?catId=0&initiative_id=SB_20170216014307&SearchText=y2m+connector Interested in your conclusions.. Jan de Jong On 2/16/2017 4:34 AM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote: > At 08:58 AM 2/15/2017, you wrote: >> Thank you Bob, >> >> You're right for the threaded joint under the shaded area. To >> unscrew the back-shell from the connector body, we must let the male >> part in place in the female part. You place the male part in a vise >> and use a vise grip to unscrew the back-shell. A particularity you >> unscrew counter clockwise. > > Yeah, these appear to be a near-if-not-exact clone > of a legacy mil-spec connector. I'll know more about > them when the sample I ordered gets here. The > prices are certainly right . . . > > > Bob . . . > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:53:32 AM PST US From: Rich Ulmen Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Red/Blue PIDG tool I grabbed one for less than $60! Thanks for the heads up Bob! Sent from my iPad > On Feb 14, 2017, at 7:05 AM, Alec Myers wrote: > > > Sigh. There goes the beer budget for another month. > > On Feb 13, 2017, at 20:59, Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote: > > > Just ran across an offering of the venerable > AMP 59250 PIDG crimper on ebay > > http://tinyurl.com/grw4bdg > > I've still got the first one I ever owned. Bought > it while I worked at Cessna the first time. I've > purchased two more since. The price of this > offer on eBay is VERY reasonable for this tool. > > > Bob . . . > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:16:38 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Fwd: CNBTR connector At 03:49 AM 2/16/2017, you wrote: >Here the whole range, up to 65 pins: > >https://www.aliexpress.com/wholesale?catId=0&initiative_id=SB_20170216014307&SearchText=y2m+connector > >Interested in your conclusions.. thanks! at first blush, these seem to be a close cousin to M311X series connectors (solder cup) otherwise identical and mates with M312X series (crimp pins). It would be really cool if these in fact do mate with the M31XX devices. Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:25:25 PM PST US From: William Hunter Subject: AeroElectric-List: Tie Wraps For Wire Bundles Hi All, The March 2017 issue of Kit Planes has an article called "Maintenance Matters" and in that article there is a picture of some wires being secured with tie wraps (zip ties). The author indicates that using tie wraps to secure wire bundles is "poor practice". What would be a good practice to secure wire bundles to both themselves and to a structure or other component of the airplane /engine? THANKS FOR THE ADVICE!!! Bill Hunter ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:05:50 PM PST US From: Mike Nellis Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Tie Wraps For Wire Bundles Waxed lacing cord. https://www.pegasusautoracing.com/productselection.asp?Product=4041&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=4041&gclid=CK2XsozPldICFQQvaQodI14Nfg On Feb 16, 2017 3:27 PM, "William Hunter" wrote: > Hi All, > > The March 2017 issue of Kit Planes has an article called "Maintenance > Matters" and in that article there is a picture of some wires being secured > with tie wraps (zip ties). The author indicates that using tie wraps to > secure wire bundles is "poor practice". > > What would be a good practice to secure wire bundles to both themselves > and to a structure or other component of the airplane /engine? > > THANKS FOR THE ADVICE!!! > > Bill Hunter > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:39:17 PM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Tie Wraps For Wire Bundles From: "user9253" Cushion clamps. High temperature ones are available for the engine compartment. For engine mounts, use two clamps bolted together, one on the tube and one for wires. -------- Joe Gores Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=466296#466296 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:45:23 PM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Tie Wraps For Wire Bundles At 03:18 PM 2/16/2017, you wrote: >Hi All,=C2 > >The March 2017 issue of Kit Planes has an >article called "Maintenance Matters" and in that >article there is a picture of some wires being >secured with tie wraps (zip ties). The author >indicates that using tie wraps to secure wire bundles is "poor practice". =C2 > >What would be a good practice to secure wire >bundles to both themselves and to a structure or >other component of the airplane /engine?=C2 > >THANKS FOR THE ADVICE!!!=C2 Check out http://tinyurl.com/j5jtccn There ARE some tie-wraps suited to aircraft (and other environmentally unfriendly applications) but they need to be carefully procured and you wont find them on eBay or Harbor Freight. Here's a pretty good source for a suitable version http://tinyurl.com/hyey8th Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:01:35 PM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Tie Wraps For Wire Bundles At 04:02 PM 2/16/2017, you wrote: >Waxed =C2 lacing cord.=C2 > >https://www.pegasusautoracing.com/productselection.asp?Product =4041&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=4041&gclid=CK2 XsozPldICFQQvaQodI14Nfg This is good stuff too . . . and it IS waxed . . . a little easier to use. Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:27:00 PM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Tie Wraps For Wire Bundles From: "morgana.ram" aWYgeW91IGRlY2lkZSB0byB1c2UgbGFjaW5nIGNvbnNpZGVyIGhpZ2ggcXVhbGl0eSBzaWxpY29u ZSB0YXBlIGFsb25nIHdpdGggaXQuIMKgeW91IGNhbiBwdXQgYSBzbWFsbCBwaWVjZSBhcm91bmQg dGhlIHdpcmUgYnVuZGxlIGFuZCB0aGUgdHViZSB0aGVuIHVzZSB0aGUgbGFjaW5nIHRvIHNlY3Vy ZSBpdC4gwqAKCgpTZW50IHZpYSB0aGUgU2Ftc3VuZyBHYWxheHkgRXhwcmVzcyAzLCBhbiBBVCZU IDRHIExURSBzbWFydHBob25lCgotLS0tLS0tLSBPcmlnaW5hbCBtZXNzYWdlIC0tLS0tLS0tRnJv bTogIlJvYmVydCBMLiBOdWNrb2xscywgSUlJIiA8bnVja29sbHMuYm9iQGFlcm9lbGVjdHJpYy5j b20+IERhdGU6IDIvMTYvMTcgIDQ6NTkgUE0gIChHTVQtMDY6MDApIFRvOiBhZXJvZWxlY3RyaWMt bGlzdEBtYXRyb25pY3MuY29tIFN1YmplY3Q6IFJlOiBBZXJvRWxlY3RyaWMtTGlzdDogVGllIFdy YXBzIEZvciBXaXJlIEJ1bmRsZXMgCgpBdCAwNDowMiBQTSAyLzE2LzIwMTcsIHlvdSB3cm90ZToK CldheGVkIMOCIGxhY2luZyBjb3JkLsOCIAoKCgpodHRwczovL3d3dy5wZWdhc3VzYXV0b3JhY2lu Zy5jb20vcHJvZHVjdHNlbGVjdGlvbi5hc3A/UHJvZHVjdD00MDQxJnV0bV9zb3VyY2U9Z29vZ2xl JnV0bV9tZWRpdW09Y3BjJnV0bV9jYW1wYWlnbj00MDQxJmdjbGlkPUNLMlhzb3pQbGRJQ0ZRUXZh UW9kSTE0TmZnCgoKwqBUaGlzIGlzIGdvb2Qgc3R1ZmYgdG9vIC4gLiAuIGFuZCBpdCBJUyB3YXhl ZCAuIC4gLgoKwqBhIGxpdHRsZSBlYXNpZXIgdG8gdXNlLgoKCgoKCsKgIEJvYiAuIC4gLgoK ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:28:38 PM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Tie Wraps For Wire Bundles >There ARE some tie-wraps suited to aircraft (and other >environmentally unfriendly applications) but they >need to be carefully procured and you wont find them >on eBay or Harbor Freight. -CORRECTION- you might find them on eBay but more likely to get REAL UV resistant, outdoor rated ties from somebody in that business. Heres one example: http://tinyurl.com/zj2mb87 Tie wraps CAN be just fine in airplanes. We used them at Beech. But just 'cause the box SAYS UV resistant . . . well . . . Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:58:33 PM PST US From: Mark Wheeler Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Tie Wraps For Wire Bundles Why both? > On Feb 16, 2017, at 3:14 PM, morgana.ram wrote: > > if you decide to use lacing consider high quality silicone tape along with it. you can put a small piece around the wire bundle and the tube then use the lacing to secure it. > > > > Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Express 3, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone > > -------- Original message -------- > From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" > Date: 2/16/17 4:59 PM (GMT-06:00) > To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Tie Wraps For Wire Bundles > > At 04:02 PM 2/16/2017, you wrote: >> Waxed =C3=82 lacing cord.=C3=82 >> >> https://www.pegasusautoracing.com/productselection.asp?Product=4041&utm_ source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=4041&gclid=CK2XsozPldICF QQvaQodI14Nfg > This is good stuff too . . . and it IS waxed . . . > a little easier to use. > > > Bob . . . > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:00:02 PM PST US From: "Stein Bruch" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Tie Wraps For Wire Bundles We sell that as well, but $5 less per roll=85. Cheers, Stein From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert L. Nuckolls, III Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 4:59 PM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Tie Wraps For Wire Bundles At 04:02 PM 2/16/2017, you wrote: Waxed =C2 lacing cord.=C2 https://www.pegasusautoracing.com/productselection.asp?Product=4041 &utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=4041&gclid=CK2Xsoz PldICFQQvaQ odI14Nfg This is good stuff too . . . and it IS waxed . . . a little easier to use. Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:26:53 PM PST US From: "William Hunter" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Tie Wraps For Wire Bundles Hi All. I knew I could count on you (all)=85THANKS for the info!!! So why are tie wraps so=85like=85 =93bad practice=94? If I heard that anything was =93bad=94 back in high school that is exactly the direction where I would have gone=85tie wraps still seem like a good idea to me. I can see that =93Adel clamps=94 are far superior in design=85and weight=85and the stainless steel part can be fire resistant (well=85except for the rubber padding material). My guess is that the rubber would burn more hotter than nylon=85because rubber makes nice fuel for rocket motors: http://www.nbcnews.com/id/5226424/ns/technology_and_science-space/t/histo ric -rocket-powered-rubber-fuel/#.WKahpvkrJRY So why are the ancient technology waxed fabric lace ribbon so great and =93good practice=94?!?!? My daughters would be most happy to use little fabric ribbons to do the hair on their Barbie dolls=85and I can see the benefit of the =93anti-fungal=94 design=85however=85the temperature range of -67=B0F to + 250=B0F seems=85well=85kinda lame (code for =93bad practice=94) in airplane equipment=85 I=85REALLY=85like the X-Treme Tape TPE-XR1510ZLB Silicone Rubber Self Fusing tape=85seems like the ultimate new-fangled and high tech solution=85and=85the =93will not melt up to 260=B0C (500=B0F)=94=85and the =93Remains flexible to -50=B0C (-60=B0F)=94=85and the =93Tensile strength of 700+PSI=94=85and the =93Insulates to 400 volts/mil=94 sounds like silicon is a REALLY good solution=85to me=85almost even =93better than best practice=94=85just say-in So anyhoo=85would the DAR be happy with the new-fangled silicon tape?!?!? Seriously=85I really do not care about the DAR=85I simply what the =93best practice=94 for me and my airplane=85so is the new-fangled silicon a good deal? Additionally=85do I really need to cut away ALL of the tie wraps I just lovingly tied to my wire bundles!?!?! THANKS AGAIN!!! .. Cheers!!! Bill Hunter From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stein Bruch Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:54 PM Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Tie Wraps For Wire Bundles We sell that as well, but $5 less per roll=85. Cheers, Stein From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert L. Nuckolls, III Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 4:59 PM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Tie Wraps For Wire Bundles At 04:02 PM 2/16/2017, you wrote: Waxed =C2 lacing cord.=C2 https://www.pegasusautoracing.com/productselection.asp?Product=4041 &utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=4041&gclid=CK2Xsoz PldICFQQvaQ odI14Nfg This is good stuff too . . . and it IS waxed . . . a little easier to use. 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