---------------------------------------------------------- AeroElectric-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 02/19/17: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:31 AM - Re: Re: Tie Wraps For Wire Bundles (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 2. 08:58 AM - Re: Re: Tie Wraps For Wire Bundles (John Tipton) 3. 09:07 AM - Re: Re: Solder Station (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 4. 09:27 AM - Re: Re: Tie Wraps For Wire Bundles (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 5. 09:50 AM - Re: Solder Station (johnbright) 6. 10:21 AM - Re: Re: Tie Wraps For Wire Bundles (John Tipton) 7. 04:48 PM - Re: Re: Solder Station (Alec Myers) 8. 05:46 PM - Re: Re: Solder Station (Alec Myers) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:31:20 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Tie Wraps For Wire Bundles >I don't think the UV issue is terribly important (how much direct >sunlight does the back of an instrument panel, or an engine >compartment actually see anyway?), Agreed . . . plastics suitable to our task are selected for their resistance to environmental effects and age. "UV resistance" is simply one data point indicating that the manufacturer has taken the time to produce a robust product. I've had tie-wraps of unknown pedigree lay on the self in dark, room temperature repose for years become brittle with time alone. Putting the least tension on them during installation snaps the buckle off. There are hundreds of sources for perfectly acceptable tie wraps. We used them by the truck-load at Beech . . . I don't recall seeing a craftsman use string ties during my last years at Beech. I'm sure the other guys in Wichita used them as well. The take-away from this thread is KNOW where the tie-wraps come from . . . a requirement impossible to track from H.F. and sometimes difficult on eBay. Caveat emptor . . . Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:58:02 AM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Tie Wraps For Wire Bundles From: John Tipton So what are the 'specs' for a good manufactured tie wrap, here's some (from e Bay) - Yes or no John http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Quality-Weather-Resistant-UV-Nylon-Cable-Ties-Supe r-Strong-Wraps-245mm-x-4-8mm-/142017913580?var=&hash=item2110ed62ec:m:m3 vCIrCBOIiIWvnYKTcQGbQ Sent from my iPad ----x--O--x---- > On 19 Feb 2017, at 03:28 pm, "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" wrote: > >> I don't think the UV issue is terribly important (how much direct sunlig ht does the back of an instrument panel, or an engine compartment actually s ee anyway?), > > Agreed . . . plastics suitable to > our task are selected for their resistance > to environmental effects and age. "UV > resistance" is simply one data point indicating > that the manufacturer has taken the time to > produce a robust product. > > I've had tie-wraps of unknown pedigree lay on > the self in dark, room temperature repose for > years become brittle with time alone. > Putting the least tension on them during installation > snaps the buckle off. > > There are hundreds of sources for perfectly acceptable > tie wraps. We used them by the truck-load at Beech . . . > I don't recall seeing a craftsman use string ties during > my last years at Beech. > > I'm sure the other guys in Wichita used them as well. > The take-away from this thread is KNOW where the > tie-wraps come from . . . a requirement impossible to > track from H.F. and sometimes difficult on eBay. > > Caveat emptor . . . > > Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:07:37 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Solder Station At 08:34 PM 2/18/2017, you wrote: > > >Metcal... what model number to look for on eBay... cartridge or tip >hand piece? There's a new kid on the block . . . http://tinyurl.com/jfmgep8 My electronics bench is still Metcal but I've got two Hakko stations on the benches in the beat-n-bash shop. They are excellent performers and offer a wide selection of tips. Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:27:01 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Tie Wraps For Wire Bundles At 10:55 AM 2/19/2017, you wrote: >So what are the 'specs' for a good manufactured tie wrap, here's >some (from eBay) - Yes or no > >John > >http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Quality-Weather-Resistant-UV-Nylon-Cable-Ties-Super-Strong-Wraps-245mm-x-4-8mm-/142017913580?var=&hash=item2110ed62ec:m:m3vCIrCBOIiIWvnYKTcQGbQ > >Sent from my iPad Your first good vib comes from this supplier's eBay rating and experience. 100% satisfaction with 43000+ transactions. The description speaks to 6/6 nylon as well as enhancements specific to the goal of improving performance. Bundlers of bulk tie wraps might not even know of such details. If the offer speaks to specific brands, so much the better. This ad has the look and smell of a righteous offer. I'd buy them even when postage to the u.s. is 1.5x the value of the product. 200 wraps for $17.00 total makes them about 9 cents each. Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:50:59 AM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Solder Station From: "johnbright" Thanks Bob, I went ahead and bought the Hakko FX888D-23BY your link pointed to. Just under $100. -------- John Bright, RV-6A, at Finish Kit Continental Titan IOX-360, 8.5:1, vertical sump, SDSEFI EM-5, injectors in heads. Aeroelectric Z-12. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=466434#466434 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:21:48 AM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Tie Wraps For Wire Bundles From: John Tipton And believe you me: that postage to US is cheap, you should be over this sid e of the pond ordering from US to UK, unbelievable the cost: John Sent from my iPad ----x--O--x---- > On 19 Feb 2017, at 05:21 pm, "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" wrote: > > At 10:55 AM 2/19/2017, you wrote: >> So what are the 'specs' for a good manufactured tie wrap, here's some (fr om eBay) - Yes or no >> >> John >> >> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Quality-Weather-Resistant-UV-Nylon-Cable-Ties-S uper-Strong-Wraps-245mm-x-4-8mm-/142017913580?var=&hash=item2110ed62ec:m :m3vCIrCBOIiIWvnYKTcQGbQ >> >> Sent from my iPad > > Your first good vib comes from this supplier's > eBay rating and experience. 100% satisfaction > with 43000+ transactions. > > The description speaks to 6/6 nylon as well > as enhancements specific to the goal of improving > performance. Bundlers of bulk tie wraps might > not even know of such details. If the offer > speaks to specific brands, so much the better. > > This ad has the look and smell of a righteous > offer. I'd buy them even when postage to the > u.s. is 1.5x the value of the product. 200 wraps > for $17.00 total makes them about 9 cents each. > > > > Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:48:39 PM PST US From: Alec Myers Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Solder Station Very hard to beat the sheer joy of soldering with the Metcal, and the precision of the Curie-point temperature control system. It's the soldering equivalent of driving a Ferrari or Lamborghini. But boy do you pay for it. On Feb 19, 2017, at 12:47, johnbright wrote: Thanks Bob, I went ahead and bought the Hakko FX888D-23BY your link pointed to. Just under $100. -------- John Bright, RV-6A, at Finish Kit Continental Titan IOX-360, 8.5:1, vertical sump, SDSEFI EM-5, injectors in heads. Aeroelectric Z-12. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=466434#466434 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:46:03 PM PST US From: Alec Myers Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Solder Station My bad - it's not the Curie point. anyone know the physical effect that Metcal irons use? > On Feb 19, 2017, at 7:45 PM, Alec Myers wrote: > > > Very hard to beat the sheer joy of soldering with the Metcal, and the precision of the Curie-point temperature control system. It's the soldering equivalent of driving a Ferrari or Lamborghini. But boy do you pay for it. > > On Feb 19, 2017, at 12:47, johnbright wrote: > > > Thanks Bob, I went ahead and bought the Hakko FX888D-23BY your link pointed to. Just under $100. > > -------- > John Bright, RV-6A, at Finish Kit > Continental Titan IOX-360, 8.5:1, vertical sump, SDSEFI EM-5, injectors in heads. > Aeroelectric Z-12. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=466434#466434 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message aeroelectric-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/AeroElectric-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/aeroelectric-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/aeroelectric-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.