---------------------------------------------------------- AeroElectric-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 04/12/17: 23 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:37 AM - Re: Starter engaged warning light (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 2. 06:50 AM - [OT] DecalPRO (Art Zemon) 3. 07:50 AM - Re: [OT] DecalPRO (Jim Dabney) 4. 11:09 AM - Re: [OT] DecalPRO (ARGOLDMAN@aol.com) 5. 11:56 AM - RS-232 GPS Input (Art Zemon) 6. 12:21 PM - Re: RS-232 GPS Input (Ralph E. Capen) 7. 12:37 PM - Re: RS-232 GPS Input (Charlie England) 8. 01:07 PM - Re: RS-232 GPS Input (don van santen) 9. 01:26 PM - Re: RS-232 GPS Input (Kelly McMullen) 10. 01:38 PM - Is a battery contactor really needed? (rv8ch) 11. 01:42 PM - Re: RS-232 GPS Input (Tim Olson) 12. 02:33 PM - Re: RS-232 GPS Input (ARGOLDMAN@aol.com) 13. 02:57 PM - Re: RS-232 GPS Input (don van santen) 14. 03:12 PM - Re: RS-232 GPS Input (Art Zemon) 15. 03:55 PM - Re: Starter engaged warning light (Jeff Point) 16. 03:58 PM - Re: RS-232 GPS Input (Ralph E. Capen) 17. 04:11 PM - Re: Is a battery contactor really needed? (user9253) 18. 04:20 PM - Re: old B and C SD-8 Dynamo failure (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 19. 04:21 PM - Re: RS-232 GPS Input (Art Zemon) 20. 04:28 PM - Re: RS-232 GPS Input (Ralph E. Capen) 21. 05:08 PM - Re: RS-232 GPS Input (Charlie England) 22. 06:35 PM - Re: RS-232 GPS Input (Ralph E. Capen) 23. 08:42 PM - ICE Disruptor? (jonlaury) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:37:54 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Starter engaged warning light At 11:21 PM 4/11/2017, you wrote: > >Hey Jeff, > >I'm not 100% sure on this but I think I've seen a cutaway photo >showing that the >"I" terminal on the other type of solenoid is actually connected >internally to the same >basic spot as the big terminal is. So I would think it would work just fine. Correct . . . >I'm guessing that the reason they even added the terminal is for >simplicity in wiring those smaller wire ends to the solenoid without needing >a large ring terminal. Actually, the "I" terminal is a holdover from the early days of the transition from 6 to 12 volt cars. It was deduced that the original 6v Kettering type ignition coil could be retained if one simply added a resistor in series with the coil . . . the added source resistance REDUCES coil charging time and you got better performance at higher RPM. A further benefit was realized by adding the "I" for ignition terminal to the starter contactor. This was used to bypass the coil resistor increased spark energy at low RPM of engine cranking. You can see the full disclosure of the 3-terminal starter contactors here: Emacs! All three 'floating' terminals of the power path through the contactor get connected together simultaneously with the motion of "B" against "A" as suggested by the schematic below. http://www.aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Contactors/Starter_Contact Fully floating contacts were necessary to achieve design goals for the automotive world . . . and they're handy for our purposes 60 years later to drive a light bulb . . . but the same goal can be achieved by attaching driving the light directly from the starter motor's power input terminal. Don't forget to fuse the wire at the starter end if driving a lamp . . . or you could put the LED's current limiting resistor in series with the wire at the starter end and eliminate the fuse . . . the resistor will protect the shorted wire. > Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:50:42 AM PST US From: Art Zemon Subject: AeroElectric-List: [OT] DecalPRO Not strictly electrical but I'll be somebody here has some experience... I am thinking about using the DecalPRO system for my instrument panel. Do you have any experience with it? -- Art Z. -- https://CheerfulCurmudgeon.com/ *"If I am not for myself, who is for me? And if I am only for myself, what am I? And if not now, when?" Hillel* ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:50:50 AM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: [OT] DecalPRO From: Jim Dabney Art, I used that system on my panel. It takes some practice to get good results, but it does work. I did the panel 8 years ago and it's held up well. Jim On 4/12/2017 8:47 AM, Art Zemon wrote: > Not strictly electrical but I'll be somebody here has some experience... > > I am thinking about using the DecalPRO > > system for my instrument panel. Do you have any experience with it? > > -- Art Z. > > -- > https://CheerfulCurmudgeon.com/ > > /"If I am not for myself, who is for me? And if I am only for myself, > what am I? And if not now, when?" Hillel/ > !DSPAM:729,58ee3381247391849433127! ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:09:39 AM PST US From: ARGOLDMAN@aol.com Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: [OT] DecalPRO Greetings Art. I have the Decal Pro system and it is great, although somewhat complicated. You print out your labels using a Laser printer (cannon, I think is not allowed) You then take your label sheet and using a heat/plastic laminatior-- has to be the type they recommend, and I believe sell-- make several passes of your label sheet with a few types of transfer foil and paper. You then soak the labels that you have created to remove them from the carrier paper, dry them and using a special fabric adhesive (available at fabric stores) spray the back of your labels and apply them to their home burnishing them in. I put them on my leather instrument panel and I think that they came out well. There is a steep learning curve. Somewhere in the technique there is a heat gun (hair dryer is not acceptable) (the labels on my panel were black.\ My next step is to do my switch labels (in white) which requires yet an additional step or two. I have postponed that for a year or two, but will get back to that soon. Look at the videos on the website, although the actual technique is slightly different... they will tell you. Great product, difficult to use steep learning curve . Rich In a message dated 4/12/2017 8:51:27 A.M. Central Daylight Time, art@zemon.name writes: Not strictly electrical but I'll be somebody here has some experience... I am thinking about using the _DecalPRO_ (http://www.pulsarprofx.com/decalpro/Vertical/1_MENU/1a_Home/Aircraft/Aircraft.html) system for my instrument panel. Do you have any experience with it? -- Art Z. -- _https://CheerfulCurmudgeon.com/_ (https://cheerfulcurmudgeon.com/) "If I am not for myself, who is for me? And if I am only for myself, what am I? And if not now, when?" Hillel ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:56:32 AM PST US From: Art Zemon Subject: AeroElectric-List: RS-232 GPS Input Folks, I am considering an ARTEX ELT 345 which requires a GPS signal to its "Built-in GPS Navigational Interface (NMEA 0183 or RS 232)." If I understand how to do this correctly from a Garmin GNS-430W, I just take the RS-232 signal and a ground and run them to the ELT. Right? The last time I did any RS-232 wiring was between DEC VAX computers and VT-100 terminals in the 1980s. Is there anything that I should know with regards to wiring these more modern devices? Thanks, -- Art Z. -- https://CheerfulCurmudgeon.com/ *"If I am not for myself, who is for me? And if I am only for myself, what am I? And if not now, when?" Hillel* ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:21:36 PM PST US From: "Ralph E. Capen" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: RS-232 GPS Input Art, You're pretty much on the money...couple of tricks with the 430W: The 430W has multiple output ports - if you have one set to "Aviation", you can simply fork that output signal wire. Make sure that output port on the 430W is set to the correct output type ("Aviation") to match the ARTEX - the default 9600 baud rate should take care of it. Wiring a different port from the 430W is a PITB unless your panel has real good access. Configure your new port for "Aviation" and you should be good to go. I just did this to add ADSB and learned the difference between ports and protocols output from the 430W - I needed "ADS-B OUT+" (wasn't in the original manual - found out while troubleshooting with vendor) and had it connected to the "Aviation" port. I needed to run a separate wire just for this! Good Luck, Ralph -----Original Message----- From: Art Zemon Sent: Apr 12, 2017 2:54 PM Subject: AeroElectric-List: RS-232 GPS Input Folks, I am considering an ARTEX ELT 345 which requires a GPS signal to its "Built-in GPS Navigational Interface (NMEA 0183 or RS 232)." If I understand how to do this correctly from a Garmin GNS-430W, I just take the RS-232 signal and a ground and run them to the ELT. Right? The last time I did any RS-232 wiring was between DEC VAX computers and VT-100 terminals in the 1980s. Is there anything that I should know with regards to wiring these more modern devices? Thanks, -- Art Z. -- https://CheerfulCurmudgeon.com/ "If I am not for myself, who is for me? And if I am only for myself, what am I? And if not now, when?" Hillel ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:37:01 PM PST US From: Charlie England Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: RS-232 GPS Input Another option is to go to ebay for a $20 gps puck with serial output, & have an independent source. On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 2:19 PM, Ralph E. Capen wrote: > recapen@earthlink.net> > > Art, > You're pretty much on the money...couple of tricks with the 430W: > The 430W has multiple output ports - if you have one set to "Aviation", > you can simply fork that output signal wire. > Make sure that output port on the 430W is set to the correct output type > ("Aviation") to match the ARTEX - the default 9600 baud rate should take > care of it. > Wiring a different port from the 430W is a PITB unless your panel has real > good access. Configure your new port for "Aviation" and you should be good > to go. > > I just did this to add ADSB and learned the difference between ports and > protocols output from the 430W - I needed "ADS-B OUT+" (wasn't in the > original manual - found out while troubleshooting with vendor) and had it > connected to the "Aviation" port. I needed to run a separate wire just for > this! > > Good Luck, > Ralph > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Art Zemon > > Sent: Apr 12, 2017 2:54 PM > > To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > > Subject: AeroElectric-List: RS-232 GPS Input > > > Folks, > I am considering an ARTEX ELT 345 which requires a GPS signal to its > "Built-in GPS Navigational Interface (NMEA 0183 or RS 232)." If I > understand how to do this correctly from a Garmin GNS-430W, I just take the > RS-232 signal and a ground and run them to the ELT. Right? > The last time I did any RS-232 wiring was between DEC VAX computers and > VT-100 terminals in the 1980s. Is there anything that I should know with > regards to wiring these more modern devices? > Thanks, -- Art Z. > > -- > https://CheerfulCurmudgeon.com/ > > "If I am not for myself, who is for me? And if I am only for myself, what > am I? And if not now, when?" Hillel > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:07:14 PM PST US From: don van santen Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: RS-232 GPS Input Another option is to go to ebay for a $20 gps puck with serial output, & have an independent source. Charlie, The 2020 rules for ADS-B out require an approved WAAS GPS source. I do not know of ant "puck" GPS that meets this requirement. If you know of one please let me know. On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 12:33 PM, Charlie England wrote: > Another option is to go to ebay for a $20 gps puck with serial output, & > have an independent source. > > On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 2:19 PM, Ralph E. Capen > wrote: > >> recapen@earthlink.net> >> >> Art, >> You're pretty much on the money...couple of tricks with the 430W: >> The 430W has multiple output ports - if you have one set to "Aviation", >> you can simply fork that output signal wire. >> Make sure that output port on the 430W is set to the correct output type >> ("Aviation") to match the ARTEX - the default 9600 baud rate should take >> care of it. >> Wiring a different port from the 430W is a PITB unless your panel has >> real good access. Configure your new port for "Aviation" and you should be >> good to go. >> >> I just did this to add ADSB and learned the difference between ports and >> protocols output from the 430W - I needed "ADS-B OUT+" (wasn't in the >> original manual - found out while troubleshooting with vendor) and had it >> connected to the "Aviation" port. I needed to run a separate wire just for >> this! >> >> Good Luck, >> Ralph >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: Art Zemon >> >> Sent: Apr 12, 2017 2:54 PM >> >> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com >> >> Subject: AeroElectric-List: RS-232 GPS Input >> >> >> >> Folks, >> I am considering an ARTEX ELT 345 which requires a GPS signal to its >> "Built-in GPS Navigational Interface (NMEA 0183 or RS 232)." If I >> understand how to do this correctly from a Garmin GNS-430W, I just take the >> RS-232 signal and a ground and run them to the ELT. Right? >> The last time I did any RS-232 wiring was between DEC VAX computers and >> VT-100 terminals in the 1980s. Is there anything that I should know with >> regards to wiring these more modern devices? >> Thanks, -- Art Z. >> >> -- >> https://CheerfulCurmudgeon.com/ >> >> "If I am not for myself, who is for me? And if I am only for myself, what >> am I? And if not now, when?" Hillel >> >> ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:26:11 PM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: RS-232 GPS Input From: Kelly McMullen 1. He was using the GPS for ELT, not ADS-B. Does not need to meet any approval. 2. The Dynon 2020 GPS puck meets the requirement, but it isn't cheap, at $590. May not work with other brands. On 4/12/2017 1:01 PM, don van santen wrote: > Another option is to go to ebay for a $20 gps puck with serial output, & > have an independent source. > > Charlie, > The 2020 rules for ADS-B out require an approved WAAS GPS source. I do > not know of ant "puck" GPS that meets this requirement. If you know of > one please let me know. > > On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 12:33 PM, Charlie England > wrote: > > Another option is to go to ebay for a $20 gps puck with serial > output, & have an independent source. > > On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 2:19 PM, Ralph E. Capen > > wrote: > > > > > Art, > You're pretty much on the money...couple of tricks with the 430W: > The 430W has multiple output ports - if you have one set to > "Aviation", you can simply fork that output signal wire. > Make sure that output port on the 430W is set to the correct > output type ("Aviation") to match the ARTEX - the default 9600 > baud rate should take care of it. > Wiring a different port from the 430W is a PITB unless your > panel has real good access. Configure your new port for > "Aviation" and you should be good to go. > > I just did this to add ADSB and learned the difference between > ports and protocols output from the 430W - I needed "ADS-B OUT+" > (wasn't in the original manual - found out while troubleshooting > with vendor) and had it connected to the "Aviation" port. I > needed to run a separate wire just for this! > > Good Luck, > Ralph > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Art Zemon > > Sent: Apr 12, 2017 2:54 PM > > To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > > > Subject: AeroElectric-List: RS-232 GPS Input > > > Folks, > I am considering an ARTEX ELT 345 which requires a GPS signal to > its "Built-in GPS Navigational Interface (NMEA 0183 or RS 232)." > If I understand how to do this correctly from a Garmin GNS-430W, > I just take the RS-232 signal and a ground and run them to the > ELT. Right? > The last time I did any RS-232 wiring was between DEC VAX > computers and VT-100 terminals in the 1980s. Is there anything > that I should know with regards to wiring these more modern devices? > Thanks, -- Art Z. > > -- > https://CheerfulCurmudgeon.com/ > > "If I am not for myself, who is for me? And if I am only for > myself, what am I? And if not now, when?" Hillel > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:38:27 PM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Is a battery contactor really needed? From: "rv8ch" There seem to be a lot of advantages to not disconnecting the alternator from the battery, so I'm wondering if the battery contactor is really necessary? The things I can see as advantages are that it provides an extra layer of protection from accidental starter engagement, and provides a big switch that can be used to disconnect the battery from everything. I'm curious if there are other advantages that I'm not seeing. Thanks! -------- Mickey Coggins http://www.rv8.ch/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=468348#468348 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:42:26 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: RS-232 GPS Input This is for an ELT, not ADS-B. > On Apr 12, 2017, at 3:01 PM, don van santen wrote : > > Another option is to go to ebay for a $20 gps puck with serial output, & h ave an independent source. > > Charlie, > The 2020 rules for ADS-B out require an approved WAAS GPS source. I do not know of ant "puck" GPS that meets this requirement. If you know of one plea se let me know. > >> On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 12:33 PM, Charlie England w rote: >> Another option is to go to ebay for a $20 gps puck with serial output, & h ave an independent source. >> >>> On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 2:19 PM, Ralph E. Capen w rote: link.net> >>> >>> Art, >>> You're pretty much on the money...couple of tricks with the 430W: >>> The 430W has multiple output ports - if you have one set to "Aviation", y ou can simply fork that output signal wire. >>> Make sure that output port on the 430W is set to the correct output type ("Aviation") to match the ARTEX - the default 9600 baud rate should take ca re of it. >>> Wiring a different port from the 430W is a PITB unless your panel has re al good access. Configure your new port for "Aviation" and you should be go od to go. >>> >>> I just did this to add ADSB and learned the difference between ports and protocols output from the 430W - I needed "ADS-B OUT+" (wasn't in the origi nal manual - found out while troubleshooting with vendor) and had it connect ed to the "Aviation" port. I needed to run a separate wire just for this! >>> >>> Good Luck, >>> Ralph >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> >>> From: Art Zemon >>> >>> Sent: Apr 12, 2017 2:54 PM >>> >>> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com >>> >>> Subject: AeroElectric-List: RS-232 GPS Input >>> >>> >>> >>> Folks, >>> I am considering an ARTEX ELT 345 which requires a GPS signal to its "Bu ilt-in GPS Navigational Interface (NMEA 0183 or RS 232)." If I understand ho w to do this correctly from a Garmin GNS-430W, I just take the RS-232 signal and a ground and run them to the ELT. Right? >>> The last time I did any RS-232 wiring was between DEC VAX computers and V T-100 terminals in the 1980s. Is there anything that I should know with rega rds to wiring these more modern devices? >>> Thanks, -- Art Z. >>> >>> -- >>> https://CheerfulCurmudgeon.com/ >>> >>> "If I am not for myself, who is for me? And if I am only for myself, wha t am I? And if not now, when?" Hillel > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:33:43 PM PST US From: ARGOLDMAN@aol.com Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: RS-232 GPS Input The new Dynon GPS antenna/device is approved it may only talk to dynon, however. Rich In a message dated 4/12/2017 3:44:16 P.M. Central Daylight Time, Tim@MyRV10.com writes: This is for an ELT, not ADS-B. On Apr 12, 2017, at 3:01 PM, don van santen <_donvansanten@gmail.com_ (mailto:donvansanten@gmail.com) > wrote: Another option is to go to ebay for a $20 gps puck with serial output, & have an independent source. Charlie, The 2020 rules for ADS-B out require an approved WAAS GPS source. I do not know of ant "puck" GPS that meets this requirement. If you know of one please let me know. On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 12:33 PM, Charlie England <_ceengland7@gmail.com_ (mailto:ceengland7@gmail.com) > wrote: Another option is to go to ebay for a $20 gps puck with serial output, & have an independent source. On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 2:19 PM, Ralph E. Capen <_recapen@earthlink.net_ (mailto:recapen@earthlink.net) > wrote: --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <_recapen@earthlink.net_ (mailto:recapen@earthlink.net) > Art, You're pretty much on the money...couple of tricks with the 430W: The 430W has multiple output ports - if you have one set to "Aviation", you can simply fork that output signal wire. Make sure that output port on the 430W is set to the correct output type ("Aviation") to match the ARTEX - the default 9600 baud rate should take care of it. Wiring a different port from the 430W is a PITB unless your panel has real good access. Configure your new port for "Aviation" and you should be good to go. I just did this to add ADSB and learned the difference between ports and protocols output from the 430W - I needed "ADS-B OUT+" (wasn't in the original manual - found out while troubleshooting with vendor) and had it connected to the "Aviation" port. I needed to run a separate wire just for this! Good Luck, Ralph -----Original Message----- From: Art Zemon Sent: Apr 12, 2017 2:54 PM (mailto:aeroelectric-list@matronics.com) Subject: AeroElectric-List: RS-232 GPS Input Folks, I am considering an ARTEX ELT 345 which requires a GPS signal to its "Built-in GPS Navigational Interface (NMEA 0183 or RS 232)." If I understand how to do this correctly from a Garmin GNS-430W, I just take the RS-232 signal and a ground and run them to the ELT. Right? The last time I did any RS-232 wiring was between DEC VAX computers and VT-100 terminals in the 1980s. Is there anything that I should know with regards to wiring these more modern devices? Thanks, -- Art Z. -- _https://CheerfulCurmudgeon.comh_ (https://cheerfulcurmudgeon.com/) "If I am not for myself, who is for me? And if I am only for myself, what am I? And if not now, when?" Hillel ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:57:18 PM PST US From: don van santen Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: RS-232 GPS Input Sorry. I guess I need to get my eyes checked. DDon On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 1:38 PM, Tim Olson wrote: > This is for an ELT, not ADS-B. > > > On Apr 12, 2017, at 3:01 PM, don van santen > wrote: > > Another option is to go to ebay for a $20 gps puck with serial output, & > have an independent source. > > Charlie, > The 2020 rules for ADS-B out require an approved WAAS GPS source. I do not > know of ant "puck" GPS that meets this requirement. If you know of one > please let me know. > > On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 12:33 PM, Charlie England > wrote: > >> Another option is to go to ebay for a $20 gps puck with serial output, & >> have an independent source. >> >> On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 2:19 PM, Ralph E. Capen >> wrote: >> >>> recapen@earthlink.net> >>> >>> Art, >>> You're pretty much on the money...couple of tricks with the 430W: >>> The 430W has multiple output ports - if you have one set to "Aviation", >>> you can simply fork that output signal wire. >>> Make sure that output port on the 430W is set to the correct output type >>> ("Aviation") to match the ARTEX - the default 9600 baud rate should take >>> care of it. >>> Wiring a different port from the 430W is a PITB unless your panel has >>> real good access. Configure your new port for "Aviation" and you should be >>> good to go. >>> >>> I just did this to add ADSB and learned the difference between ports and >>> protocols output from the 430W - I needed "ADS-B OUT+" (wasn't in the >>> original manual - found out while troubleshooting with vendor) and had it >>> connected to the "Aviation" port. I needed to run a separate wire just for >>> this! >>> >>> Good Luck, >>> Ralph >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> >>> From: Art Zemon >>> >>> Sent: Apr 12, 2017 2:54 PM >>> >>> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com >>> >>> Subject: AeroElectric-List: RS-232 GPS Input >>> >>> >>> >>> Folks, >>> I am considering an ARTEX ELT 345 which requires a GPS signal to its >>> "Built-in GPS Navigational Interface (NMEA 0183 or RS 232)." If I >>> understand how to do this correctly from a Garmin GNS-430W, I just take the >>> RS-232 signal and a ground and run them to the ELT. Right? >>> The last time I did any RS-232 wiring was between DEC VAX computers and >>> VT-100 terminals in the 1980s. Is there anything that I should know with >>> regards to wiring these more modern devices? >>> Thanks, -- Art Z. >>> >>> -- >>> https://CheerfulCurmudgeon.com/ >>> >>> "If I am not for myself, who is for me? And if I am only for myself, >>> what am I? And if not now, when?" Hillel >>> >>> > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:12:54 PM PST US From: Art Zemon Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: RS-232 GPS Input Ralph, Thanks for confirming. I do intend to feed both the ADS-B and the ELT from the 430W. I read of lots of people just splitting the signal to feed two devices, which seems odd to me but then this is one-way communication so I guess it ought to work. And I will check my ADS-B documentation carefully to be sure that I get the right signal from the 430W. So... just a single twisted pair for these RS-232 devices? I don't need any of the other pins besides + and - ??? Should I shield it and, if so, where do I ground the shield? -- Art Z. On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 2:19 PM, Ralph E. Capen wrote: > recapen@earthlink.net> > > Art, > You're pretty much on the money...couple of tricks with the 430W: > The 430W has multiple output ports - if you have one set to "Aviation", > you can simply fork that output signal wire. > Make sure that output port on the 430W is set to the correct output type > ("Aviation") to match the ARTEX - the default 9600 baud rate should take > care of it. > Wiring a different port from the 430W is a PITB unless your panel has real > good access. Configure your new port for "Aviation" and you should be good > to go. > > I just did this to add ADSB and learned the difference between ports and > protocols output from the 430W - I needed "ADS-B OUT+" (wasn't in the > original manual - found out while troubleshooting with vendor) and had it > connected to the "Aviation" port. I needed to run a separate wire just for > this! > > Good Luck, > Ralph > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Art Zemon > > Sent: Apr 12, 2017 2:54 PM > > To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > > Subject: AeroElectric-List: RS-232 GPS Input > > > Folks, > I am considering an ARTEX ELT 345 which requires a GPS signal to its > "Built-in GPS Navigational Interface (NMEA 0183 or RS 232)." If I > understand how to do this correctly from a Garmin GNS-430W, I just take the > RS-232 signal and a ground and run them to the ELT. Right? > The last time I did any RS-232 wiring was between DEC VAX computers and > VT-100 terminals in the 1980s. Is there anything that I should know with > regards to wiring these more modern devices? > Thanks, -- Art Z. > -- https://CheerfulCurmudgeon.com/ *"If I am not for myself, who is for me? And if I am only for myself, what am I? And if not now, when?" Hillel* ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:55:40 PM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Starter engaged warning light From: Jeff Point Thanks Bob (and others) for the detailed explanation confirming what I thought. Protecting this run of 22ga wire seems like a perfect job for a fusible link, and since I have some 26ga left over from the Ray Allen servos, I will make one. The panel LED has a resistor built in so that option is not available. Jeff On 4/12/17 4:25 AM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote: ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:58:55 PM PST US From: "Ralph E. Capen" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: RS-232 GPS Input Art, I may not have been clear enough... >From my reading of the ARTEX ELT manual, it needs "Aviation" from the 430W. It looks like you can use a single pin shielded wire (grounded at the 430W end) for the TX (at the 430W end) to the RX (at the ARTEX end - pin 9). If you have something else that already uses "Aviation", you can do a take-off from that port/wire - otherwise, see the next paragraph. Depending on the ADSB box, it will most likely need "ADS-B OUT+" from the 430W - mine did. This required me to use a different port on the 430W for the ADSB box. I used a single pin shielded wire (grounded at the 430W end) for the TX (at the 430W end) to the RX (at the ADSB end) for mine. It was a different port! I have already 'wasted' the troubleshooting hours figuring out why it wasn't working (install manual didn't call out "ADS-B OUT+" - I had to get that from tech support after I had already wired it the other way. I've got a picture of the 430W config if you want it - let me know and I'll send it direct! Hope this clears the mud I stirred up! Ralph -----Original Message----- From: Art Zemon Sent: Apr 12, 2017 6:10 PM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: RS-232 GPS Input Ralph, Thanks for confirming. I do intend to feed both the ADS-B and the ELT from the 430W. I read of lots of people just splitting the signal to feed two devices, which seems odd to me but then this is one-way communication so I guess it ought to work. And I will check my ADS-B documentation carefully to be sure that I get the right signal from the 430W. So... just a single twisted pair for these RS-232 devices? I don't need any of the other pins besides + and - ???Should I shield it and, if so, where do I ground the shield? -- Art Z. On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 2:19 PM, Ralph E. Capen wrote: Art, You're pretty much on the money...couple of tricks with the 430W: The 430W has multiple output ports - if you have one set to "Aviation", you can simply fork that output signal wire. Make sure that output port on the 430W is set to the correct output type ("Aviation") to match the ARTEX - the default 9600 baud rate should take care of it. Wiring a different port from the 430W is a PITB unless your panel has real good access. Configure your new port for "Aviation" and you should be good to go. I just did this to add ADSB and learned the difference between ports and protocols output from the 430W - I needed "ADS-B OUT+" (wasn't in the original manual - found out while troubleshooting with vendor) and had it connected to the "Aviation" port. I needed to run a separate wire just for this! Good Luck, Ralph -----Original Message----- From: Art Zemon Sent: Apr 12, 2017 2:54 PM Subject: AeroElectric-List: RS-232 GPS Input Folks, I am considering an ARTEX ELT 345 which requires a GPS signal to its "Built-in GPS Navigational Interface (NMEA 0183 or RS 232)." If I understand how to do this correctly from a Garmin GNS-430W, I just take the RS-232 signal and a ground and run them to the ELT. Right? The last time I did any RS-232 wiring was between DEC VAX computers and VT-100 terminals in the 1980s. Is there anything that I should know with regards to wiring these more modern devices? Thanks, -- Art Z. -- https://CheerfulCurmudgeon.com/ "If I am not for myself, who is for me? And if I am only for myself, what am I? And if not now, when?" Hillel ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 04:11:39 PM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Is a battery contactor really needed? From: "user9253" In case of an immanent forced landing or smoke in the cockpit, it is advisable to shut off electrical power as close to the source as possible. -------- Joe Gores Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=468357#468357 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 04:20:28 PM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: old B and C SD-8 Dynamo failure >>Bob, if you wanted to look at this dynamo for some reason, I'll be happy >>to mail it to you. I suspect you've got much better things to do than >>'paleo-forensics' on this dated item. >> >>Mark > > Actually, I would like to see it. I have > a drive stand running that fits the SD8 > and I'm equipped to test/inspect it in > detail. Getting a close up look at a sample > with this kind of service on it would be > illuminating. > > Send the rectifier/regulator too. I'll > get them checked out and repaired/replaced > as needed. Got Mark's SD8 and R/R from the post office today. Ran the SD8. As I would have predicted, it runs just fine. The construction of these machines doesn't have much of a wear-out mode. The bearings are VERY lightly loaded. There are no brushes or slip rings. The stationary windings might be a some risk for aging were they operated at temperatures that pushed the insulation limits on the magnet wire. The numbers on Mr. Todd's SD8 track very closely with those from a new, current protection unit. I've got some wiring details to fiddle with before I can add the R/R to the bench setup . . . perhaps tomorrow. Watch this space . . . Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 04:21:02 PM PST US From: Art Zemon Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: RS-232 GPS Input That clears it up. Thank you, Ralph. When I get to actually making wires, I'll be back in touch if I am confused. -- Art Z. On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 5:55 PM, Ralph E. Capen wrote: > recapen@earthlink.net> > > > Art, > > I may not have been clear enough... > > >From my reading of the ARTEX ELT manual, it needs "Aviation" from the > 430W. It looks like you can use a single pin shielded wire (grounded at > the 430W end) for the TX (at the 430W end) to the RX (at the ARTEX end - > pin 9). If you have something else that already uses "Aviation", you can > do a take-off from that port/wire - otherwise, see the next paragraph. > > Depending on the ADSB box, it will most likely need "ADS-B OUT+" from the > 430W - mine did. This required me to use a different port on the 430W for > the ADSB box. I used a single pin shielded wire (grounded at the 430W end) > for the TX (at the 430W end) to the RX (at the ADSB end) for mine. It was > a different port! > > I have already 'wasted' the troubleshooting hours figuring out why it > wasn't working (install manual didn't call out "ADS-B OUT+" - I had to get > that from tech support after I had already wired it the other way. > > I've got a picture of the 430W config if you want it - let me know and > I'll send it direct! > > Hope this clears the mud I stirred up! > > Ralph > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Art Zemon > > Sent: Apr 12, 2017 6:10 PM > > To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > > Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: RS-232 GPS Input > > > Ralph, > Thanks for confirming. I do intend to feed both the ADS-B and the ELT from > the 430W. I read of lots of people just splitting the signal to feed two > devices, which seems odd to me but then this is one-way communication so I > guess it ought to work. And I will check my ADS-B documentation carefully > to be sure that I get the right signal from the 430W. > So... just a single twisted pair for these RS-232 devices? I don't need > any of the other pins besides + and - ???Should I shield it and, if so, > where do I ground the shield? > -- Art Z. > > On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 2:19 PM, Ralph E. Capen > wrote: > recapen@earthlink.net> > > > Art, > > You're pretty much on the money...couple of tricks with the 430W: > > The 430W has multiple output ports - if you have one set to "Aviation", > you can simply fork that output signal wire. > > Make sure that output port on the 430W is set to the correct output type > ("Aviation") to match the ARTEX - the default 9600 baud rate should take > care of it. > > Wiring a different port from the 430W is a PITB unless your panel has real > good access. Configure your new port for "Aviation" and you should be good > to go. > > > I just did this to add ADSB and learned the difference between ports and > protocols output from the 430W - I needed "ADS-B OUT+" (wasn't in the > original manual - found out while troubleshooting with vendor) and had it > connected to the "Aviation" port. I needed to run a separate wire just for > this! > > > Good Luck, > > Ralph > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Art Zemon > > > Sent: Apr 12, 2017 2:54 PM > > > To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > > > Subject: AeroElectric-List: RS-232 GPS Input > > > Folks, > > I am considering an ARTEX ELT 345 which requires a GPS signal to its > "Built-in GPS Navigational Interface (NMEA 0183 or RS 232)." If I > understand how to do this correctly from a Garmin GNS-430W, I just take the > RS-232 signal and a ground and run them to the ELT. Right? > > The last time I did any RS-232 wiring was between DEC VAX computers and > VT-100 terminals in the 1980s. Is there anything that I should know with > regards to wiring these more modern devices? > > Thanks, -- Art Z. -- https://CheerfulCurmudgeon.com/ *"If I am not for myself, who is for me? And if I am only for myself, what am I? And if not now, when?" Hillel* ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 04:28:50 PM PST US From: "Ralph E. Capen" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: RS-232 GPS Input Happy to help! -----Original Message----- From: Art Zemon Sent: Apr 12, 2017 7:19 PM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: RS-232 GPS Input That clears it up. Thank you, Ralph. When I get to actually making wires, I'll be back in touch if I am confused. -- Art Z. On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 5:55 PM, Ralph E. Capen wrote: Art, I may not have been clear enough... >From my reading of the ARTEX ELT manual, it needs "Aviation" from the 430W. It looks like you can use a single pin shielded wire (grounded at the 430W end) for the TX (at the 430W end) to the RX (at the ARTEX end - pin 9). If you have something else that already uses "Aviation", you can do a take-off from that port/wire - otherwise, see the next paragraph. Depending on the ADSB box, it will most likely need "ADS-B OUT+" from the 430W - mine did. This required me to use a different port on the 430W for the ADSB box. I used a single pin shielded wire (grounded at the 430W end) for the TX (at the 430W end) to the RX (at the ADSB end) for mine. It was a different port! I have already 'wasted' the troubleshooting hours figuring out why it wasn't working (install manual didn't call out "ADS-B OUT+" - I had to get that from tech support after I had already wired it the other way. I've got a picture of the 430W config if you want it - let me know and I'll send it direct! Hope this clears the mud I stirred up! Ralph -----Original Message----- From: Art Zemon Sent: Apr 12, 2017 6:10 PM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: RS-232 GPS Input Ralph, Thanks for confirming. I do intend to feed both the ADS-B and the ELT from the 430W. I read of lots of people just splitting the signal to feed two devices, which seems odd to me but then this is one-way communication so I guess it ought to work. And I will check my ADS-B documentation carefully to be sure that I get the right signal from the 430W. So... just a single twisted pair for these RS-232 devices? I don't need any of the other pins besides + and - ???Should I shield it and, if so, where do I ground the shield? -- Art Z. On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 2:19 PM, Ralph E. Capen wrote: Art, You're pretty much on the money...couple of tricks with the 430W: The 430W has multiple output ports - if you have one set to "Aviation", you can simply fork that output signal wire. Make sure that output port on the 430W is set to the correct output type ("Aviation") to match the ARTEX - the default 9600 baud rate should take care of it. Wiring a different port from the 430W is a PITB unless your panel has real good access. Configure your new port for "Aviation" and you should be good to go. I just did this to add ADSB and learned the difference between ports and protocols output from the 430W - I needed "ADS-B OUT+" (wasn't in the original manual - found out while troubleshooting with vendor) and had it connected to the "Aviation" port. I needed to run a separate wire just for this! Good Luck, Ralph -----Original Message----- From: Art Zemon Sent: Apr 12, 2017 2:54 PM Subject: AeroElectric-List: RS-232 GPS Input Folks, I am considering an ARTEX ELT 345 which requires a GPS signal to its "Built-in GPS Navigational Interface (NMEA 0183 or RS 232)." If I understand how to do this correctly from a Garmin GNS-430W, I just take the RS-232 signal and a ground and run them to the ELT. Right? The last time I did any RS-232 wiring was between DEC VAX computers and VT-100 terminals in the 1980s. Is there anything that I should know with regards to wiring these more modern devices? Thanks, -- Art Z. -- https://CheerfulCurmudgeon.com/ "If I am not for myself, who is for me? And if I am only for myself, what am I? And if not now, when?" Hillel ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 05:08:30 PM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: RS-232 GPS Input From: Charlie England It might be worth mentioning that the electrons have to get back home, even if it's only signal data. If you float the shield on one end, then the return path is the airframe. *If* it's a metal airplane, and both of the devices are grounded to the airframe. So that idea may work fine in an aluminum or steel tube a/c, but in a Velocity/Lancair/etc, not so much. And even in a metal a/c, it *could* leave the signal vulnerable to noise on the ground side of the circuit. There's a lot of myth & metaphysics parading as universal truth around shields and grounding. (Pardon the pun...) Charlie On 4/12/2017 6:19 PM, Art Zemon wrote: > That clears it up. Thank you, Ralph. When I get to actually making > wires, I'll be back in touch if I am confused. > > -- Art Z. > > > On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 5:55 PM, Ralph E. Capen > wrote: > > > > > > Art, > > I may not have been clear enough... > > >From my reading of the ARTEX ELT manual, it needs "Aviation" from > the 430W. It looks like you can use a single pin shielded wire > (grounded at the 430W end) for the TX (at the 430W end) to the RX > (at the ARTEX end - pin 9). If you have something else that > already uses "Aviation", you can do a take-off from that port/wire > - otherwise, see the next paragraph. > > Depending on the ADSB box, it will most likely need "ADS-B OUT+" > from the 430W - mine did. This required me to use a different > port on the 430W for the ADSB box. I used a single pin shielded > wire (grounded at the 430W end) for the TX (at the 430W end) to > the RX (at the ADSB end) for mine. It was a different port! > > I have already 'wasted' the troubleshooting hours figuring out why > it wasn't working (install manual didn't call out "ADS-B OUT+" - I > had to get that from tech support after I had already wired it the > other way. > > I've got a picture of the 430W config if you want it - let me know > and I'll send it direct! > > Hope this clears the mud I stirred up! > > Ralph > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Art Zemon > > Sent: Apr 12, 2017 6:10 PM > > To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > > > Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: RS-232 GPS Input > > > Ralph, > Thanks for confirming. I do intend to feed both the ADS-B and the > ELT from the 430W. I read of lots of people just splitting the > signal to feed two devices, which seems odd to me but then this is > one-way communication so I guess it ought to work. And I will > check my ADS-B documentation carefully to be sure that I get the > right signal from the 430W. > So... just a single twisted pair for these RS-232 devices? I don't > need any of the other pins besides + and - ???Should I shield it > and, if so, where do I ground the shield? > -- Art Z. > > On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 2:19 PM, Ralph E. Capen > > wrote: > > > > > Art, > > You're pretty much on the money...couple of tricks with the 430W: > > The 430W has multiple output ports - if you have one set to > "Aviation", you can simply fork that output signal wire. > > Make sure that output port on the 430W is set to the correct > output type ("Aviation") to match the ARTEX - the default 9600 > baud rate should take care of it. > > Wiring a different port from the 430W is a PITB unless your panel > has real good access. Configure your new port for "Aviation" and > you should be good to go. > > > I just did this to add ADSB and learned the difference between > ports and protocols output from the 430W - I needed "ADS-B OUT+" > (wasn't in the original manual - found out while troubleshooting > with vendor) and had it connected to the "Aviation" port. I > needed to run a separate wire just for this! > > > Good Luck, > > Ralph > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Art Zemon > > > Sent: Apr 12, 2017 2:54 PM > > > To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > > > > Subject: AeroElectric-List: RS-232 GPS Input > > > Folks, > > I am considering an ARTEX ELT 345 which requires a GPS signal to > its "Built-in GPS Navigational Interface (NMEA 0183 or RS 232)." > If I understand how to do this correctly from a Garmin GNS-430W, I > just take the RS-232 signal and a ground and run them to the ELT. > Right? > > The last time I did any RS-232 wiring was between DEC VAX > computers and VT-100 terminals in the 1980s. Is there anything > that I should know with regards to wiring these more modern devices? > > Thanks, -- Art Z. > > > -- > https://CheerfulCurmudgeon.com/ > > /"If I am not for myself, who is for me? And if I am only for myself, > what am I? And if not now, when?" Hillel/ --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 06:35:02 PM PST US From: "Ralph E. Capen" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: RS-232 GPS Input Good point - I was only considering a metal frame! If bonding is a part of the builder scenario, the return path becomes an actual requirement - which can be satisfied in a number of ways! The documents for the ARTEX make a similar consideration as well..... -----Original Message----- From: Charlie England Sent: Apr 12, 2017 8:07 PM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: RS-232 GPS Input It might be worth mentioning that the electrons have to get back home, even if it's only signal data. If you float the shield on one end, then the return path is the airframe. *If* it's a metal airplane, and both of the devices are grounded to the airframe. So that idea may work fine in an aluminum or steel tube a/c, but in a Velocity/Lancair/etc, not so much. And even in a metal a/c, it *could* leave the signal vulnerable to noise on the ground side of the circuit. There's a lot of myth & metaphysics parading as universal truth around shields and grounding. (Pardon the pun...) Charlie On 4/12/2017 6:19 PM, Art Zemon wrote: That clears it up. Thank you, Ralph. When I get to actually making wires, I'll be back in touch if I am confused. -- Art Z. On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 5:55 PM, Ralph E. Capen wrote: "Ralph E. Capen" Art, I may not have been clear enough... >From my reading of the ARTEX ELT manual, it needs "Aviation" from the 430W. It looks like you can use a single pin shielded wire (grounded at the 430W end) for the TX (at the 430W end) to the RX (at the ARTEX end - pin 9). If you have something else that already uses "Aviation", you can do a take-off from that port/wire - otherwise, see the next paragraph. Depending on the ADSB box, it will most likely need "ADS-B OUT+" from the 430W - mine did. This required me to use a different port on the 430W for the ADSB box. I used a single pin shielded wire (grounded at the 430W end) for the TX (at the 430W end) to the RX (at the ADSB end) for mine. It was a different port! I have already 'wasted' the troubleshooting hours figuring out why it wasn't working (install manual didn't call out "ADS-B OUT+" - I had to get that from tech support after I had already wired it the other way. I've got a picture of the 430W config if you want it - let me know and I'll send it direct! Hope this clears the mud I stirred up! Ralph -----Original Message----- From: Art Zemon Sent: Apr 12, 2017 6:10 PM To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: RS-232 GPS Input Ralph, Thanks for confirming. I do intend to feed both the ADS-B and the ELT from the 430W. I read of lots of people just splitting the signal to feed two devices, which seems odd to me but then this is one-way communication so I guess it ought to work. And I will check my ADS-B documentation carefully to be sure that I get the right signal from the 430W. So... just a single twisted pair for these RS-232 devices? I don't need any of the other pins besides + and - ???Should I shield it and, if so, where do I ground the shield? -- Art Z. On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 2:19 PM, Ralph E. Capen wrote: Capen" Art, You're pretty much on the money...couple of tricks with the 430W: The 430W has multiple output ports - if you have one set to "Aviation", you can simply fork that output signal wire. Make sure that output port on the 430W is set to the correct output type ("Aviation") to match the ARTEX - the default 9600 baud rate should take care of it. Wiring a different port from the 430W is a PITB unless your panel has real good access. Configure your new port for "Aviation" and you should be good to go. I just did this to add ADSB and learned the difference between ports and protocols output from the 430W - I needed "ADS-B OUT+" (wasn't in the original manual - found out while troubleshooting with vendor) and had it connected to the "Aviation" port. I needed to run a separate wire just for this! Good Luck, Ralph -----Original Message----- From: Art Zemon Sent: Apr 12, 2017 2:54 PM To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com Subject: AeroElectric-List: RS-232 GPS Input Folks, I am considering an ARTEX ELT 345 which requires a GPS signal to its "Built-in GPS Navigational Interface (NMEA 0183 or RS 232)." If I understand how to do this correctly from a Garmin GNS-430W, I just take the RS-232 signal and a ground and run them to the ELT. Right? The last time I did any RS-232 wiring was between DEC VAX computers and VT-100 terminals in the 1980s. Is there anything that I should know with regards to wiring these more modern devices? Thanks, -- Art Z. -- https://CheerfulCurmudgeon.com/ "If I am not for myself, who is for me? And if I am only for myself, what am I? And if not now, when?" Hillel This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 08:42:06 PM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: ICE Disruptor? 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