---------------------------------------------------------- AeroElectric-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 06/22/17: 6 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:46 AM - Re: Does Anyone Recognize This AMP 12 Pin Connector? (Christopher Cee Stone) 2. 06:52 AM - Re: Does Anyone Recognize This AMP 12 Pin Connector? (William Hunter) 3. 08:07 AM - Re: Tosten grip wiring with car-relay for trim (Achille) 4. 08:27 AM - Re: Future of Flight () 5. 10:51 AM - Re: Future of flight . . . (George Nielsen) 6. 05:15 PM - Re: Re: Future of flight . . . (Rick Beebe) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:46:21 AM PST US From: Christopher Cee Stone Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Does Anyone Recognize This AMP 12 Pin Connector? The photo is of an AMP Mate'n'lock connector. There are three or four sizes of Mate'n'lock connectors based on pin size (diameter). The contact removal tool is a sleeve and plunger tool. The sleeve compresses the retainer tangs into flush with the contact body and the plunger pushes them out of the housing. On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 10:02 AM, William Hunter wrote: > Hi All, > > > I need to rearrange the wires on this AMP 12 pin connector and my hope is > to simply pop out the terminal ends and leave the wires still connected and > just move them to the proper pin locations and pop them back in (I might > have to re-bend the metal retainer tabs). > > > The questions are: > > > Does anyone know what terminal connector this is? > > > How does one (me) unseat the terminal ends from the connector and what > tool should be used? > > > .. > > > THANKS!!! > > > Bill Hunter > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:52:39 AM PST US From: William Hunter Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Does Anyone Recognize This AMP 12 Pin Connector? That is exactly it. THANK YOU SO MUCH for the help. Bill Hunter On Jun 22, 2017 5:51 AM, "Christopher Cee Stone" wrote: > The photo is of an AMP Mate'n'lock connector. There are three or four > sizes of Mate'n'lock connectors based on pin size (diameter). > > The contact removal tool is a sleeve and plunger tool. The sleeve > compresses the retainer tangs into flush with the contact body and the > plunger pushes them out of the housing. > > > On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 10:02 AM, William Hunter < > billhuntersemail@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> >> >> I need to rearrange the wires on this AMP 12 pin connector and my hope is >> to simply pop out the terminal ends and leave the wires still connected and >> just move them to the proper pin locations and pop them back in (I might >> have to re-bend the metal retainer tabs). >> >> >> >> The questions are: >> >> >> >> Does anyone know what terminal connector this is? >> >> >> >> How does one (me) unseat the terminal ends from the connector and what >> tool should be used? >> >> >> >> .. >> >> >> >> THANKS!!! >> >> >> >> Bill Hunter >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:07:45 AM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Tosten grip wiring with car-relay for trim From: "Achille" Hello, Thank you I will do it, it's true that before wire was twist only 3 inch. and the other wire for the trim/switch trim/bus were not. For the wiring I find a wiring diagram for a car relay, but time to actuate relay is very slow for trim fonction. Any idea to improve ? (special relay ? or other things ? ) Mickal ;) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=470374#470374 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/capture_dcran_2017_06_22__170547_630.png ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:27:42 AM PST US From: Subject: AeroElectric-List: RE: Future of Flight << Why would you choose to buy a Cole powered car with gas near $2.00 / gal. headed toward $1.00 for the next several years. >> In part, because I already have a wind generator that supplies about 1/2 of my electricity, and if I do get an electric car, I will add a solar system that will provide the rest. At that point, I would only be concerned about recharging on the road... But I also believe your "headed towards $1.00" gas outlook is a bit optimistic. << Flight schools will be the very last adopters of electric airplanes if ever. Flight schools only make money by keeping their aircraft in the air every hour of every sunny weekend day, to make up for all the down time. You can refuel an empty gas powered 172 in two minutes while the next pilot is performing a preflight inspection and get it earning money with essentially no gaps. >> You are making the assumption that the batteries in that airplane cannot be swapped out in an equivalent amount of time. Some of the more practical designs for electric-powered airplanes have swappable battery packs that can be recharges over time - no need to draw massive amounts of electricity over a 5-minute period. You've got a full 24 hours to recharge that battery pack. That changes the power draw required to recharge that battery to about 30KW (if I did my math correctly). And as someone else pointed out, our Lycosaurus engines are <30% efficient at converting gas to power (though some more modern designs may be up to 45% efficient). By contrast, an electric motor running at 75% rated power is generally 90% efficient. So you'll need about 35% of the energy using an electric motor that you would if you used an ICE. So your 30KW draw comes down even further, towards the 10KW range. And you're completely ignoring the economics of no longer having to maintain that internal combustion engine, the fuel pumps, lines, and tanks, etc. Even at current battery prices, Siemens and AirBus have determined that it would be less expensive to purchase and maintain spare batteries than service and maintain gas-powered engines. Don't get me wrong - I don't think this is going to happen tomorrow, and I'm not selling my gas-powered airplane any time soon, but it WILL happen in most of our lifetimes, and perhaps even within the next few years. The airplanes may not look like what we're used to seeing, but multi-rotor type aircraft are on the (very near) horizon! Jim Parker ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:51:04 AM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Future of flight . . . From: George Nielsen An aspect of electric aircraft which is worth considering is the risk of fire following an accident. I know of a case where an electric aircraft got into a spin at low altitude and crashed. The post crash fire consumed everything and little was left of the pilot. Fortunately he died on impact. Batteries are a fire hazard. We have seen that with Tesla cars that burn. Fortunately nobody has been hurt so far, as far as I know. We have also seen the batteries of laptops and of Samsung Galaxies catch fire. I understand that such events are caused by a rupture within the battery which results in a short circuit, and the energy thus released causes a conflagration. I wonder how much it would cost to insure an electric aircraft that uses lithium-ion or similar batteries. The possibilities of a crash causing a major conflagration have to be kept in mind. It is obvious that electric motors are far more efficient than internal combustion engines. However, generating electricity is very inefficient. One also has to take the energy cost of transmission of all that electric power into consideration. Of course refining oil and distributing fuel also consumes energy. It is my impression that, if one takes the global view, there is no huge difference between the efficiencies of internal combustion and electric aircraft. Given the cost of creating an electric power grid that serves all airfields and the fire hazard of current batteries in my opinion the internal combustion engine is the power source of the foreseeable future. But not necessarily the spark ignition engine. I think that diesel engines are the future of aircraft propulsion for a few decades at least. They are heavier but provide power and torque at lower engine speeds and are more efficient energy wise. Besides I understand that diesel and jet fuel are less of a fire risk than gasoline. Current diesel engines for aircraft are converted automotive units and may not be optimal, but once they start making dedicated aircraft diesel engines I expect to see improvements. I myself have flown diesel powered Robin DR400's. I would be reluctant to set foot in an electric aircraft, at least one based on present technology. George Nielsen On 22-Jun-17 9:01, AeroElectric-List Digest Server wrote: > * > Time: 10:44:32 AM PST US > From: John B > Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Future of flight . . . > > Yes, the electric airplane... > Eventually, we will have viable electric airplanes. The model airplane > folks have largely gone to electric power... > > On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 11:57 AM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III < > nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com> wrote: > >> http://tinyurl.com/ybztoq3g >> >> Bob . . . >> > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:15:03 PM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Future of flight . . . From: Rick Beebe On 6/22/2017 10:50 AM, George Nielsen wrote: > > > An aspect of electric aircraft which is worth considering is the risk of > fire following an accident. I know of a case where an electric aircraft > got into a spin at low altitude and crashed. The post crash fire > consumed everything and little was left of the pilot. Fortunately he > died on impact. Different battery chemistries have different risk of fire. As do different liquid aviation fuels. Car fires are so common (175,000 resulting in 445 deaths and $1.2 billion in damage in 2015 alone) that they barely make the news. Electric vehicle fires get sensationalized because they're so rare. As electric aircraft get commercialized, I believe that's a risk that's easily mitigated. > It is obvious that electric motors are far more efficient than internal > combustion engines. However, generating electricity is very inefficient. > One also has to take the energy cost of transmission of all that > electric power into consideration. Of course refining oil and > distributing fuel also consumes energy. It is my impression that, if one > takes the global view, there is no huge difference between the > efficiencies of internal combustion and electric aircraft. Generating electricity isn't all that inefficient especially compared to "generating" fuel. In fact refining fuel takes huge amounts of electricity and heat. Several analysis have said it takes roughly 6kWh of energy to refine one gallon of gasoline, or enough to drive an electric car 20 miles. This article is a fairly unbiased analysis of a lot of that research: https://greentransportation.info/energy-transportation/gasoline-costs-6kwh.html > Given the cost of creating an electric power grid that serves all > airfields and the fire hazard of current batteries in my opinion the > internal combustion engine is the power source of the foreseeable > future. I think it will be for a while, as well, but only because of the need to go distances and/or recharge very quickly. Both of which are coming faster than I suspect we imagine. --Rick ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message aeroelectric-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/AeroElectric-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/aeroelectric-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/aeroelectric-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.