---------------------------------------------------------- AeroElectric-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 09/02/17: 3 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:41 AM - Magic marker "robustness" (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 2. 05:24 AM - Re: Magic marker "robustness" (Bill Allen) 3. 03:40 PM - Re: Magic marker "robustness" (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:41:03 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: AeroElectric-List: Magic marker "robustness" At 05:20 AM 8/31/2017, you wrote: >Jon, > >That's a relief! I am most concerned about the labeling inside the >cabin and behind the instrument panel. Forward of the firewall will >be very simple in my plane and it won't matter much if the labels fade. Something I've observed about Sharpie and/or magic marker inks. I have been using the 6qt 'shoeboxes' by Stearlite as dust tight materials storage in my shops for several years. I label the ends of the boxes with yellow vinyl tape captioned with a Sharpie. The label on the right is about 10 years old. The drop in letter density compared to the label on the left is observable. Emacs! The exposed lettering appears to literally evaporate. Evaporation rate is probably temperature and air flow dependent. There might also be effects of ozone and/or hydrocarbons in the surrounding air. I've developed another technique for crafting these labels. After captioning with the marker, I put a layer of clear tape over the lettering. . I'm thinking that the clear overlay will have a profound effect on the robustness of my shop labels. For wire labels laid on white heat shrink, one might consider putting a layer of clear shrink over the label. I note too that Sharpies come in a 'permanent' version which is also available in ultra-fine points. http://tinyurl.com/y8rj6t3j One of these days I'll conduct some experiments with this marking methodology and I'll hang some samples under the hoods of my vehicles. Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:24:29 AM PST US From: Bill Allen Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Magic marker "robustness" My Sharpie story. Some years ago, I flew my LongEz from the UK to the US and on to Mojave, where I met Burt Rutan and had him sign the fuselage with a sharpie. I was so proud of this that I covered the signature with clear plastic vinyl, to protect it. Although my Ez is always hangared, the signature nevertheless slowly faded over the years, to the point of invisibility..... Bill Allen On 1 September 2017 at 23:32, Robert L. Nuckolls, III < nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com> wrote: > At 05:20 AM 8/31/2017, you wrote: > > Jon, > > That's a relief! I am most concerned about the labeling inside the cabin > and behind the instrument panel. Forward of the firewall will be very > simple in my plane and it won't matter much if the labels fade. > > > Something I've observed about Sharpie and/or > magic marker inks. I have been using the > 6qt 'shoeboxes' by Stearlite as dust tight > materials storage in my shops for several years. > > I label the ends of the boxes with yellow vinyl > tape captioned with a Sharpie. The label on the > right is about 10 years old. The drop in letter > density compared to the label on the left is > observable. > > > [image: Emacs!] > > The exposed lettering appears to literally > evaporate. Evaporation rate is probably temperature > and air flow dependent. There might also be effects > of ozone and/or hydrocarbons in the surrounding > air. > > I've developed another technique for crafting these > labels. After captioning with the marker, I put a > layer of clear tape over the lettering. > > . I'm thinking that the clear overlay will have a > profound effect on the robustness of my shop > labels. For wire labels laid on white heat shrink, > one might consider putting a layer of clear > shrink over the label. > > I note too that Sharpies come in a 'permanent' > version which is also available in ultra-fine > points. > > http://tinyurl.com/y8rj6t3j > > One of these days I'll conduct some experiments > with this marking methodology and I'll hang > some samples under the hoods of my vehicles. > > > Bob . . . > -- Bill Allen LongEz160 N99BA FD51 CZ4 G-BYLZ EGBJ ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:40:48 PM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Magic marker "robustness" At 07:15 AM 9/2/2017, you wrote: >My Sharpie story. > >Some years ago, I flew my LongEz from the UK to the US and on to >Mojave, where I met Burt Rutan and had him sign the fuselage with a >sharpie. I was so proud of this that I covered the signature with >clear plastic vinyl, to protect it. > >Although my Ez is always hangared, the signature nevertheless slowly >faded over the years, to the point of invisibility..... > >Bill Allen Well fooey . . . on two counts. Burt is one of my heros. Had an opportunity to contribute to the Voyager project and was present at both the roll out and victory parties. He's an amazing individual . . . as was his desert skunk werks. Sad to loose that unique artifact. So, does the pigment 'bleach' with age? Soak into the surface? As I mentioned earlier, there are two versions of the Sharpie, one claiming to be 'permanent'. Guess we don't yet understand the nature of the impermanence. I poked around on the 'net and ran across some reviews of this product with respect to permanence . . . ordered some to play with . . . http://tinyurl.com/yc3r8zpz Bob . . . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message aeroelectric-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/AeroElectric-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/aeroelectric-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/aeroelectric-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.