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1. 04:33 AM - Re: Heat Shrink Labels for 20 AWG Wire (donjohnston)
2. 04:57 AM - Re: Heat Shrink Labels for 20 AWG Wire (Art Zemon)
3. 05:57 AM - Re: Magic marker "robustness" ()
4. 08:13 AM - Re: Heat Shrink Labels for 20 AWG Wire (Ryan Brown)
5. 08:29 AM - Re: Heat Shrink Labels for 20 AWG Wire (Charlie England)
6. 08:35 AM - Re: Magic marker "robustness" (don van santen)
7. 12:30 PM - Re: Non-aero app: 120/240 AC through 24vdc switch? (jonlaury)
8. 04:14 PM - Re: Heat Shrink Labels for 20 AWG Wire (donjohnston)
9. 07:30 PM - Re: Re: Heat Shrink Labels for 20 AWG Wire (don van santen)
10. 07:58 PM - Re: Re: Heat Shrink Labels for 20 AWG Wire (Robert Borger)
11. 08:11 PM - Re: Re: Heat Shrink Labels for 20 AWG Wire (don van santen)
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Subject: | Re: Heat Shrink Labels for 20 AWG Wire |
art(at)zemon.name wrote:
> Of the label printers that we have talked about, will the heat shrink tube labels
get small enough to label 20 gauge wire?
I used the Rhino 4200 to label wires down to 24awg. Works great. No fading after
4 years.
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Subject: | Re: Heat Shrink Labels for 20 AWG Wire |
Ah! Google finally surfaced the answer: K-Sun's 1/8" and 3/16" tubing will
hold on 20 AWG tefzel wire.
K-Sun Shrink Tube Instruction Manual
<http://www.ksun.com/wp-content/uploads/2014-ShrinkTube-Instructions.pdf> gives
the wire diameters in mm that each tubing size will fit.
The MIL-W-22759/16 spec 20 AWG tefzel wire that I got from Aircraft Spruce
is about 1.74 mm in diameter.
22 AWG is about 1.34 mm in diameter so K-Sun 1/8" tubing will work on that,
too.
Assuming that Dymo's 3:1 heat shrink tubing has approximately the same
specs as K-Sun's 3:1 tubing, it will not work as well in my application.
The 1/4" shrinks only to 2.31 mm which is too large for 20 AWG tefzel wire.
(According to the specs. Maybe it will work anyway but I don't *know*.)
-- Art Z.
On Sun, Sep 3, 2017 at 10:11 PM, Art Zemon <art@zemon.name> wrote:
> Of the label printers that we have talked about, will the heat shrink tube
> labels get small enough to label 20 gauge wire?
>
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Subject: | Re: Magic marker "robustness" |
Don,
Which Epson printer did you purchase? A model number would be great.
From: don van santen
Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2017 11:16 PM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Magic marker "robustness"
Look into the cost of heat shrink tubing for the printers. I just
purchased an Epson printer that only wastes 1/2 inch of tube per label.
My old K Sun wasted 2 inches per label. If you label both ends of every
wire the extra cost of the Epson printer will be covered by 100 to 150
percent.
On Sep 3, 2017 7:47 PM, "Rick Beebe" <rick@beebe.org> wrote:
The guy who built my plane in 2000 used blue marker on white heat
shrink. While some are still legible, most of the ink has blossomed into
illegible blobs. I'm going to be rewiring the panel this Fall and I'm
going to redo all those label. I think the investment in a label maker
is probably worth it. Plus my handwriting is terrible anyway.
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Subject: | Re: Heat Shrink Labels for 20 AWG Wire |
Has anyone looked into custom printed heatshink? I wonder if that's more
economical than buying the labeler? I found several places that do it, but
only one has a price listed:
$29 for 100 pieces of 1/8 3:1 heatshrink. That's for .75"-1" length. They
say they can print serial numbers, not sure how much control you have over
the serial numbers.
https://www.shrinkshop.com/collections/custom-cut-printed-thermafix/products/custom-cut-heat-shrink-3to1-shrinkratiodual-wall-printed-1-8?variant=40161312967
On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 6:02 AM Art Zemon <art@zemon.name> wrote:
> Ah! Google finally surfaced the answer: K-Sun's 1/8" and 3/16" tubing will
> hold on 20 AWG tefzel wire.
> K-Sun Shrink Tube Instruction Manual
> <http://www.ksun.com/wp-content/uploads/2014-ShrinkTube-Instructions.pdf> gives
> the wire diameters in mm that each tubing size will fit.
> The MIL-W-22759/16 spec 20 AWG tefzel wire that I got from Aircraft Spruce
> is about 1.74 mm in diameter.
> 22 AWG is about 1.34 mm in diameter so K-Sun 1/8" tubing will work on
> that, too.
>
> Assuming that Dymo's 3:1 heat shrink tubing has approximately the same
> specs as K-Sun's 3:1 tubing, it will not work as well in my application.
> The 1/4" shrinks only to 2.31 mm which is too large for 20 AWG tefzel wire.
> (According to the specs. Maybe it will work anyway but I don't *know*.)
>
> -- Art Z.
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 3, 2017 at 10:11 PM, Art Zemon <art@zemon.name> wrote:
>
>> Of the label printers that we have talked about, will the heat shrink
>> tube labels get small enough to label 20 gauge wire?
>>
>
> --
> https://CheerfulCurmudgeon.com/
>
> *"If I am not for myself, who is for me? And if I am only for myself, what
> am I? And if not now, when?" Hillel*
>
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Subject: | Re: Heat Shrink Labels for 20 AWG Wire |
If I were buying a tubing printer, I wouldn't be overly concerned about
it 'grabbing' the wire after shrinking. In fact, I wouldn't even worry
about shrinking at all, in most cases. If the wire is in a bundle, the
label isn't going far, and as long as it can't get past the terminator,
it won't get lost. And there will be times when moving the label could
have its advantages. Ex: when the printing is on the 'back side' of a
wire in a bundle, or aligned with a half-dozen other labels in the bundle.
On 9/4/2017 6:55 AM, Art Zemon wrote:
> Ah! Google finally surfaced the answer: K-Sun's 1/8" and 3/16" tubing
> will hold on 20 AWG tefzel wire.
> K-Sun Shrink Tube Instruction Manual
> <http://www.ksun.com/wp-content/uploads/2014-ShrinkTube-Instructions.pdf>gives
> the wire diameters in mm that each tubing size will fit.
> The MIL-W-22759/16 spec20 AWG tefzel wire that I got from Aircraft
> Spruce is about 1.74 mm in diameter.
> 22 AWG is about 1.34 mm in diameter so K-Sun 1/8" tubing will work on
> that, too.
>
> Assuming that Dymo's 3:1 heat shrink tubing has approximately the same
> specs as K-Sun's 3:1 tubing, it will not work as well in my
> application. The 1/4" shrinks only to 2.31 mm which is too large for
> 20 AWG tefzel wire. (According to the specs. Maybe it will work anyway
> but I don't /know/.)
>
> -- Art Z.
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 3, 2017 at 10:11 PM, Art Zemon <art@zemon.name
> <mailto:art@zemon.name>> wrote:
>
> Of the label printers that we have talked about, will the heat
> shrink tube labels get small enough to label 20 gauge wire?
>
>
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>
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> what am I? And if not now, when?" Hillel/
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Subject: | Re: Magic marker "robustness" |
Epson LW-PX700
On Sep 4, 2017 6:02 AM, <kboatright1@comcast.net> wrote:
> Don,
>
> Which Epson printer did you purchase? A model number would be great.
>
> *From:* don van santen
> *Sent:* Sunday, September 03, 2017 11:16 PM
> *To:* aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: AeroElectric-List: Magic marker "robustness"
>
> Look into the cost of heat shrink tubing for the printers. I just
> purchased an Epson printer that only wastes 1/2 inch of tube per label. My
> old K Sun wasted 2 inches per label. If you label both ends of every wire
> the extra cost of the Epson printer will be covered by 100 to 150 percent.
>
> On Sep 3, 2017 7:47 PM, "Rick Beebe" <rick@beebe.org> wrote:
>
>>
>> The guy who built my plane in 2000 used blue marker on white heat shrink.
>> While some are still legible, most of the ink has blossomed into illegible
>> blobs. I'm going to be rewiring the panel this Fall and I'm going to redo
>> all those label. I think the investment in a label maker is probably worth
>> it. Plus my handwriting is terrible anyway.
>>
>> --Rick
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Subject: | Re: Non-aero app: 120/240 AC through 24vdc switch? |
DNA
What I absolutely love about AEL.
Thanks to both of you, Bob and Eric, for piquing my curiosity, making me stretch
to expand my knowledge and skill set. The forum is in every way the embodiment
of the adage, "Give a man a fish and he eats tonight. Teach him to fish...he
and his family eat for a lifetime"
I've got some 47 , 3A NTC thermistors I'm going to try, with the idea that I could,
inexpensively, make up a bunch of low tech field-repair devices that can
be installed with two wire nuts by users. For unshipped units henceforth, I plan
to use the AC/AC SSR's until I can find a suitable, beefier power switch.
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Subject: | Re: Heat Shrink Labels for 20 AWG Wire |
art(at)zemon.name wrote:
> Assuming that Dymo's 3:1 heat shrink tubing has approximately the same specs
as K-Sun's 3:1 tubing, it will not work as well in my application. The 1/4" shrinks
only to 2.31 mm which is too large for 20 AWG tefzel wire.
The Dymo 1/4" heat shrink will shrink down to fit over 24AWG wire. On 22AWG will,
you will have to encourage it to move. On 20AWG wire, you will have to really
encourage it to move.
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Subject: | Re: Heat Shrink Labels for 20 AWG Wire |
I am confused. K Sun sells many different diameters of tubing.
Does Dymo only sell one diameter?
On Sep 4, 2017 16:19, "donjohnston" <don@velocity-xl.com> wrote:
> don@velocity-xl.com>
>
>
> art(at)zemon.name wrote:
> > Assuming that Dymo's 3:1 heat shrink tubing has approximately the same
> specs as K-Sun's 3:1 tubing, it will not work as well in my application.
> The 1/4" shrinks only to 2.31 mm which is too large for 20 AWG tefzel wire.
>
>
> The Dymo 1/4" heat shrink will shrink down to fit over 24AWG wire. On
> 22AWG will, you will have to encourage it to move. On 20AWG wire, you will
> have to really encourage it to move.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=472492#472492
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Heat Shrink Labels for 20 AWG Wire |
1/4=9D 3/8=9D 1/2=9D & 3/4=9D
https://smile.amazon.com/DYMO-RHINO-Label-Maker-1801611/dp/B005MR516Y/ref=
sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1504450593&sr=8-2&keywords=dymo+rhino+label+mak
er
On Sep 4, 2017, at 9:28 PM, don van santen <donvansanten@gmail.com>
wrote:
I am confused. K Sun sells many different diameters of tubing.
Does Dymo only sell one diameter?
On Sep 4, 2017 16:19, "donjohnston" <don@velocity-xl.com
<mailto:don@velocity-xl.com>> wrote:
<don@velocity-xl.com <mailto:don@velocity-xl.com>>
art(at)zemon.name <http://zemon.name/> wrote:
> Assuming that Dymo's 3:1 heat shrink tubing has approximately the same
specs as K-Sun's 3:1 tubing, it will not work as well in my application.
The 1/4" shrinks only to 2.31 mm which is too large for 20 AWG tefzel
wire.
The Dymo 1/4" heat shrink will shrink down to fit over 24AWG wire. On
22AWG will, you will have to encourage it to move. On 20AWG wire, you
will have to really encourage it to move.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=472492#472492
<http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=472492#472492>
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Subject: | Re: Heat Shrink Labels for 20 AWG Wire |
Got it. The Epson and K Sun ztaft at 3 mm. Guss I would not recommend the
Dymo.
On Sep 4, 2017 20:03, "Robert Borger" <rlborger@mac.com> wrote:
> 1/4=9D 3/8=9D 1/2=9D & 3/4=9D
>
> https://smile.amazon.com/DYMO-RHINO-Label-Maker-1801611/dp/
> B005MR516Y/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1504450593&sr=8-2&
> keywords=dymo+rhino+label+maker
>
> On Sep 4, 2017, at 9:28 PM, don van santen <donvansanten@gmail.com> wrote
:
>
> I am confused. K Sun sells many different diameters of tubing.
> Does Dymo only sell one diameter?
>
> On Sep 4, 2017 16:19, "donjohnston" <don@velocity-xl.com> wrote:
>
>> don@velocity-xl.com>
>>
>>
>> art(at)zemon.name wrote:
>> > Assuming that Dymo's 3:1 heat shrink tubing has approximately the same
>> specs as K-Sun's 3:1 tubing, it will not work as well in my application.
>> The 1/4" shrinks only to 2.31 mm which is too large for 20 AWG tefzel wi
re.
>>
>>
>> The Dymo 1/4" heat shrink will shrink down to fit over 24AWG wire. On
>> 22AWG will, you will have to encourage it to move. On 20AWG wire, you w
ill
>> have to really encourage it to move.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=472492#472492
>
>
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