---------------------------------------------------------- AeroElectric-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 09/04/17: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:33 AM - Re: Heat Shrink Labels for 20 AWG Wire (donjohnston) 2. 04:57 AM - Re: Heat Shrink Labels for 20 AWG Wire (Art Zemon) 3. 05:57 AM - Re: Magic marker "robustness" () 4. 08:13 AM - Re: Heat Shrink Labels for 20 AWG Wire (Ryan Brown) 5. 08:29 AM - Re: Heat Shrink Labels for 20 AWG Wire (Charlie England) 6. 08:35 AM - Re: Magic marker "robustness" (don van santen) 7. 12:30 PM - Re: Non-aero app: 120/240 AC through 24vdc switch? (jonlaury) 8. 04:14 PM - Re: Heat Shrink Labels for 20 AWG Wire (donjohnston) 9. 07:30 PM - Re: Re: Heat Shrink Labels for 20 AWG Wire (don van santen) 10. 07:58 PM - Re: Re: Heat Shrink Labels for 20 AWG Wire (Robert Borger) 11. 08:11 PM - Re: Re: Heat Shrink Labels for 20 AWG Wire (don van santen) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:33:52 AM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Heat Shrink Labels for 20 AWG Wire From: "donjohnston" art(at)zemon.name wrote: > Of the label printers that we have talked about, will the heat shrink tube labels get small enough to label 20 gauge wire? I used the Rhino 4200 to label wires down to 24awg. Works great. No fading after 4 years. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=472484#472484 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_104307656_small_167.jpg ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:57:42 AM PST US From: Art Zemon Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Heat Shrink Labels for 20 AWG Wire Ah! Google finally surfaced the answer: K-Sun's 1/8" and 3/16" tubing will hold on 20 AWG tefzel wire. K-Sun Shrink Tube Instruction Manual gives the wire diameters in mm that each tubing size will fit. The MIL-W-22759/16 spec 20 AWG tefzel wire that I got from Aircraft Spruce is about 1.74 mm in diameter. 22 AWG is about 1.34 mm in diameter so K-Sun 1/8" tubing will work on that, too. Assuming that Dymo's 3:1 heat shrink tubing has approximately the same specs as K-Sun's 3:1 tubing, it will not work as well in my application. The 1/4" shrinks only to 2.31 mm which is too large for 20 AWG tefzel wire. (According to the specs. Maybe it will work anyway but I don't *know*.) -- Art Z. On Sun, Sep 3, 2017 at 10:11 PM, Art Zemon wrote: > Of the label printers that we have talked about, will the heat shrink tube > labels get small enough to label 20 gauge wire? > -- https://CheerfulCurmudgeon.com/ *"If I am not for myself, who is for me? And if I am only for myself, what am I? And if not now, when?" Hillel* ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:57:57 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Magic marker "robustness" Don, Which Epson printer did you purchase? A model number would be great. From: don van santen Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2017 11:16 PM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Magic marker "robustness" Look into the cost of heat shrink tubing for the printers. I just purchased an Epson printer that only wastes 1/2 inch of tube per label. My old K Sun wasted 2 inches per label. If you label both ends of every wire the extra cost of the Epson printer will be covered by 100 to 150 percent. On Sep 3, 2017 7:47 PM, "Rick Beebe" wrote: The guy who built my plane in 2000 used blue marker on white heat shrink. While some are still legible, most of the ink has blossomed into illegible blobs. I'm going to be rewiring the panel this Fall and I'm going to redo all those label. I think the investment in a label maker is probably worth it. Plus my handwriting is terrible anyway. --Rick - Electric-List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List FORUMS - eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com WIKI - errer" target="_blank">http://wiki.matronics.com b Site - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:13:51 AM PST US From: Ryan Brown Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Heat Shrink Labels for 20 AWG Wire Has anyone looked into custom printed heatshink? I wonder if that's more economical than buying the labeler? I found several places that do it, but only one has a price listed: $29 for 100 pieces of 1/8 3:1 heatshrink. That's for .75"-1" length. They say they can print serial numbers, not sure how much control you have over the serial numbers. https://www.shrinkshop.com/collections/custom-cut-printed-thermafix/products/custom-cut-heat-shrink-3to1-shrinkratiodual-wall-printed-1-8?variant=40161312967 On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 6:02 AM Art Zemon wrote: > Ah! Google finally surfaced the answer: K-Sun's 1/8" and 3/16" tubing will > hold on 20 AWG tefzel wire. > K-Sun Shrink Tube Instruction Manual > gives > the wire diameters in mm that each tubing size will fit. > The MIL-W-22759/16 spec 20 AWG tefzel wire that I got from Aircraft Spruce > is about 1.74 mm in diameter. > 22 AWG is about 1.34 mm in diameter so K-Sun 1/8" tubing will work on > that, too. > > Assuming that Dymo's 3:1 heat shrink tubing has approximately the same > specs as K-Sun's 3:1 tubing, it will not work as well in my application. > The 1/4" shrinks only to 2.31 mm which is too large for 20 AWG tefzel wire. > (According to the specs. Maybe it will work anyway but I don't *know*.) > > -- Art Z. > > > On Sun, Sep 3, 2017 at 10:11 PM, Art Zemon wrote: > >> Of the label printers that we have talked about, will the heat shrink >> tube labels get small enough to label 20 gauge wire? >> > > -- > https://CheerfulCurmudgeon.com/ > > *"If I am not for myself, who is for me? And if I am only for myself, what > am I? And if not now, when?" Hillel* > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:29:37 AM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Heat Shrink Labels for 20 AWG Wire From: Charlie England If I were buying a tubing printer, I wouldn't be overly concerned about it 'grabbing' the wire after shrinking. In fact, I wouldn't even worry about shrinking at all, in most cases. If the wire is in a bundle, the label isn't going far, and as long as it can't get past the terminator, it won't get lost. And there will be times when moving the label could have its advantages. Ex: when the printing is on the 'back side' of a wire in a bundle, or aligned with a half-dozen other labels in the bundle. On 9/4/2017 6:55 AM, Art Zemon wrote: > Ah! Google finally surfaced the answer: K-Sun's 1/8" and 3/16" tubing > will hold on 20 AWG tefzel wire. > K-Sun Shrink Tube Instruction Manual > gives > the wire diameters in mm that each tubing size will fit. > The MIL-W-22759/16 spec20 AWG tefzel wire that I got from Aircraft > Spruce is about 1.74 mm in diameter. > 22 AWG is about 1.34 mm in diameter so K-Sun 1/8" tubing will work on > that, too. > > Assuming that Dymo's 3:1 heat shrink tubing has approximately the same > specs as K-Sun's 3:1 tubing, it will not work as well in my > application. The 1/4" shrinks only to 2.31 mm which is too large for > 20 AWG tefzel wire. (According to the specs. Maybe it will work anyway > but I don't /know/.) > > -- Art Z. > > > On Sun, Sep 3, 2017 at 10:11 PM, Art Zemon > wrote: > > Of the label printers that we have talked about, will the heat > shrink tube labels get small enough to label 20 gauge wire? > > > -- > https://CheerfulCurmudgeon.com/ > > /"If I am not for myself, who is for me? And if I am only for myself, > what am I? And if not now, when?" Hillel/ --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:35:42 AM PST US From: don van santen Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Magic marker "robustness" Epson LW-PX700 On Sep 4, 2017 6:02 AM, wrote: > Don, > > Which Epson printer did you purchase? A model number would be great. > > *From:* don van santen > *Sent:* Sunday, September 03, 2017 11:16 PM > *To:* aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: AeroElectric-List: Magic marker "robustness" > > Look into the cost of heat shrink tubing for the printers. I just > purchased an Epson printer that only wastes 1/2 inch of tube per label. My > old K Sun wasted 2 inches per label. If you label both ends of every wire > the extra cost of the Epson printer will be covered by 100 to 150 percent. > > On Sep 3, 2017 7:47 PM, "Rick Beebe" wrote: > >> >> The guy who built my plane in 2000 used blue marker on white heat shrink. >> While some are still legible, most of the ink has blossomed into illegible >> blobs. I'm going to be rewiring the panel this Fall and I'm going to redo >> all those label. I think the investment in a label maker is probably worth >> it. Plus my handwriting is terrible anyway. >> >> --Rick >> =================================== >> - >> Electric-List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www. >> matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List >> =================================== >> FORUMS - >> eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com >> ========== >> WIKI - >> errer" target="_blank">http://wiki.matronics.com >> ========== >> b Site - >> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >> rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> =================================== >> >> >> >> ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:30:59 PM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Non-aero app: 120/240 AC through 24vdc switch? From: "jonlaury" DNA What I absolutely love about AEL. Thanks to both of you, Bob and Eric, for piquing my curiosity, making me stretch to expand my knowledge and skill set. The forum is in every way the embodiment of the adage, "Give a man a fish and he eats tonight. Teach him to fish...he and his family eat for a lifetime" I've got some 47 , 3A NTC thermistors I'm going to try, with the idea that I could, inexpensively, make up a bunch of low tech field-repair devices that can be installed with two wire nuts by users. For unshipped units henceforth, I plan to use the AC/AC SSR's until I can find a suitable, beefier power switch. All good things, John [[/b] Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=472491#472491 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:14:56 PM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Heat Shrink Labels for 20 AWG Wire From: "donjohnston" art(at)zemon.name wrote: > Assuming that Dymo's 3:1 heat shrink tubing has approximately the same specs as K-Sun's 3:1 tubing, it will not work as well in my application. The 1/4" shrinks only to 2.31 mm which is too large for 20 AWG tefzel wire. The Dymo 1/4" heat shrink will shrink down to fit over 24AWG wire. On 22AWG will, you will have to encourage it to move. On 20AWG wire, you will have to really encourage it to move. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=472492#472492 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:30:09 PM PST US From: don van santen Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Heat Shrink Labels for 20 AWG Wire I am confused. K Sun sells many different diameters of tubing. Does Dymo only sell one diameter? On Sep 4, 2017 16:19, "donjohnston" wrote: > don@velocity-xl.com> > > > art(at)zemon.name wrote: > > Assuming that Dymo's 3:1 heat shrink tubing has approximately the same > specs as K-Sun's 3:1 tubing, it will not work as well in my application. > The 1/4" shrinks only to 2.31 mm which is too large for 20 AWG tefzel wire. > > > The Dymo 1/4" heat shrink will shrink down to fit over 24AWG wire. On > 22AWG will, you will have to encourage it to move. On 20AWG wire, you will > have to really encourage it to move. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=472492#472492 > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:58:42 PM PST US From: Robert Borger Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Heat Shrink Labels for 20 AWG Wire 1/4=9D 3/8=9D 1/2=9D & 3/4=9D https://smile.amazon.com/DYMO-RHINO-Label-Maker-1801611/dp/B005MR516Y/ref= sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1504450593&sr=8-2&keywords=dymo+rhino+label+mak er On Sep 4, 2017, at 9:28 PM, don van santen wrote: I am confused. K Sun sells many different diameters of tubing. Does Dymo only sell one diameter? On Sep 4, 2017 16:19, "donjohnston" > wrote: > art(at)zemon.name wrote: > Assuming that Dymo's 3:1 heat shrink tubing has approximately the same specs as K-Sun's 3:1 tubing, it will not work as well in my application. The 1/4" shrinks only to 2.31 mm which is too large for 20 AWG tefzel wire. The Dymo 1/4" heat shrink will shrink down to fit over 24AWG wire. On 22AWG will, you will have to encourage it to move. On 20AWG wire, you will have to really encourage it to move. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=472492#472492 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:11:10 PM PST US From: don van santen Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Heat Shrink Labels for 20 AWG Wire Got it. The Epson and K Sun ztaft at 3 mm. Guss I would not recommend the Dymo. On Sep 4, 2017 20:03, "Robert Borger" wrote: > 1/4=9D 3/8=9D 1/2=9D & 3/4=9D > > https://smile.amazon.com/DYMO-RHINO-Label-Maker-1801611/dp/ > B005MR516Y/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1504450593&sr=8-2& > keywords=dymo+rhino+label+maker > > On Sep 4, 2017, at 9:28 PM, don van santen wrote : > > I am confused. K Sun sells many different diameters of tubing. > Does Dymo only sell one diameter? > > On Sep 4, 2017 16:19, "donjohnston" wrote: > >> don@velocity-xl.com> >> >> >> art(at)zemon.name wrote: >> > Assuming that Dymo's 3:1 heat shrink tubing has approximately the same >> specs as K-Sun's 3:1 tubing, it will not work as well in my application. >> The 1/4" shrinks only to 2.31 mm which is too large for 20 AWG tefzel wi re. >> >> >> The Dymo 1/4" heat shrink will shrink down to fit over 24AWG wire. On >> 22AWG will, you will have to encourage it to move. On 20AWG wire, you w ill >> have to really encourage it to move. >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=472492#472492 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message aeroelectric-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/AeroElectric-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/aeroelectric-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/aeroelectric-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.