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1. 01:21 AM - Don Johnson (GLEN MATEJCEK)
2. 02:21 AM - Re: GFCI Breaker keeps tripping (Non Aviation) (donjohnston)
3. 02:22 AM - Re: GFCI Breaker keeps tripping (Non Aviation) (donjohnston)
4. 04:57 AM - Re: Comm Radio Mic Cable -> Audio Panel (Art Zemon)
5. 06:12 AM - Re: GFCI Breaker keeps tripping (Non Aviation) (user9253)
6. 06:40 AM - Re: Comm Radio Mic Cable -> Audio Panel (don van santen)
7. 07:21 AM - Re: Comm Radio Mic Cable -> Audio Panel (Art Zemon)
8. 07:39 AM - Re: GFCI Breaker keeps tripping (Non Aviation) (donjohnston)
9. 09:29 AM - Re: GFCI Breaker keeps tripping (Non Aviation) (jonlaury)
10. 04:37 PM - Re: Re: GFCI Breaker keeps tripping (Non Aviation) (Charlie England)
11. 05:31 PM - Re: Re: GFCI Breaker keeps tripping (Non Aviation) (Bob Kuc)
12. 05:38 PM - starter contactor (Alec Myers)
13. 05:53 PM - Re: Re: GFCI Breaker keeps tripping (Non Aviation) (Gerald Farek)
14. 05:59 PM - Re: starter contactor (Robert Borger)
15. 07:22 PM - Re: starter contactor (ashleysc@broadstripe.net)
16. 07:38 PM - Re: starter contactor (Charlie England)
17. 09:24 PM - Re: starter contactor (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
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Hi Don- Tried to reply directly but the note bounced due to a full mailbox.
So, are the breakers in question in the main panel or a sub panel?
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1. 03:43 PM - Comm Radio Mic Cable -> Audio Panel (Art Zemon)
2. 04:11 PM - GFCI Breaker keeps tripping (Non Aviation) (donjohnston)
3. 05:18 PM - Re: Comm Radio Mic Cable -> Audio Panel (don van santen)
4. 05:49 PM - Re: GFCI Breaker keeps tripping (Non Aviation) (Charlie
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5. 06:23 PM - Re: GFCI Breaker keeps tripping (Non Aviation) (C&K)
________________________________ Message 1 ______________________________
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Time: 03:43:15 PM PST US
From: Art Zemon <art@zemon.name>
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Comm Radio Mic Cable -> Audio Panel
Folks,
I'm hoping that someone here knows the answer quicker than I can get an
answer from VAL Avionics, since it is a weekend.
My VAL COM 2000 radio shows microphone connections for
- Mic Key
- Mic Audio
- Mic GND
- Shield tied to Mic GND (grounded at one end only)
My PS Engineering audio panel shows microphone connections for
- Mic Key
- Mic Audio
- Shield (grounded at one end only)
What do I do with the Mic GND? Is tying it to the shield and grounding it
at one end sufficient?
-- Art Z.
--
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*"If I am not for myself, who is for me? And if I am only for myself, what
am I? And if not now, when?" Hillel*
________________________________ Message 2 ______________________________
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Time: 04:11:00 PM PST US
Subject: AeroElectric-List: GFCI Breaker keeps tripping (Non Aviation)
From: "donjohnston" <don@velocity-xl.com>
My current shop was built two years ago. All the 120 circuits have GFCI
breakers.
Specifically Siemens type QPF, 20a.
About a month ago, whenever I went into the shop, one of the breakers would
be
tripped. The only thing on that circuit is a lathe and work light. I
unplugged
them and it would be tripped the next morning. I swapped the circuit with a
different breaker and the same breaker kept tripping. So it would appear
that
I've got a bad breaker.
I went to Home Depot and got a new one ($53!!! :x ). All good now.
Except now there's a breaker on a completely different circuit tripping.
This
one only stays set for about an hour before tripping (with nothing
connected to
the circuit).
I did a quick google and it appears that this is common and referred to as
"nuisance
tripping".
Does anyone have any suggestions on how to resolve it without dropping
another
$53?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=472926#472926
________________________________ Message 3 ______________________________
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Time: 05:18:28 PM PST US
From: don van santen <donvansanten@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Comm Radio Mic Cable -> Audio Panel
Art, I talked to PSE and they said to either leave the mic lo disconnected
at both ends or connect as you did at radio end and connect to the ground
wire at the PSE end. The shield connects to the rest of the PSE shields. No
double ended
shield connections.
Don
On Sep 16, 2017 15:47, "Art Zemon" <art@zemon.name> wrote:
Folks,
I'm hoping that someone here knows the answer quicker than I can get an
answer from VAL Avionics, since it is a weekend.
My VAL COM 2000 radio shows microphone connections for
- Mic Key
- Mic Audio
- Mic GND
- Shield tied to Mic GND (grounded at one end only)
My PS Engineering audio panel shows microphone connections for
- Mic Key
- Mic Audio
- Shield (grounded at one end only)
What do I do with the Mic GND? Is tying it to the shield and grounding it
at one end sufficient?
-- Art Z.
--
https://CheerfulCurmudgeon.com/
*"If I am not for myself, who is for me? And if I am only for myself, what
am I? And if not now, when?" Hillel*
________________________________ Message 4 ______________________________
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Time: 05:49:21 PM PST US
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: GFCI Breaker keeps tripping (Non Aviation)
From: Charlie England <ceengland7@gmail.com>
Sure=2E $7 breaker=2E :-)
=81=A3Charlie=8B
On Sep 16, 2017, 6:14
PM, at 6:14 PM, donjohnston <don@velocity-xl=2Ecom> wrote:
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>My cur
rent shop was built two years ago=2E All the 120 circuits have
>GFCI break
ers=2E Specifically Siemens type QPF, 20a=2E
>
>About a month ago, whenev
er I went into the shop, one of the breakers
>would be tripped=2E The only
thing on that circuit is a lathe and work
>light=2E I unplugged them and i
t would be tripped the next morning=2E I
>swapped the circuit with a diffe
rent breaker and the same breaker kept
>tripping=2E So it would appear that
I've got a bad breaker=2E
>
>I went to Home Depot and got a new one ($53
!!! :x )=2E All good now=2E
>
>Except now there's a breaker on a comple
tely different circuit
>tripping=2E This one only stays set for about an h
our before tripping
>(with nothing connected to the circuit)=2E
>
>I did
a quick google and it appears that this is common and referred to
>as "nuis
ance tripping"=2E
>
>Does anyone have any suggestions on how to resolve it
without dropping
>another $53?
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>
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Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: GFCI Breaker keeps tripping (Non Aviation)
From: C&K <yellowduckduo@gmail.com>
Any chance of condensation or water leakage?
I've also seen tripping issues when mice get at the wiring.
Ken
On 16/09/2017 8:47 PM, Charlie England wrote:
> Sure. $7 breaker. :-)
>
> Charlie
> On Sep 16, 2017, at 6:14 PM, donjohnston <don@velocity-xl.com
> <mailto:don@velocity-xl.com>> wrote:
>
>
> My current shop was built two years ago. All the 120 circuits have
GFCI
breakers. Specifically Siemens type QPF, 20a.
>
> About a month ago, whenever I went into the shop, one of the breakers
would
be tripped. The only thing on that circuit is a lathe and work light. I
unplugged
them and it would be tripped the next morning. I swapped the circuit
with a different breaker and the same breaker kept tripping. So it would
appear
that I've got a bad breaker.
>
> I went to Home Depot and got a new one ($53!!! :x ). All good now.
>
> Except now there's a breaker on a completely different circuit
tripping.
This one only stays set for about an hour before tripping (with nothing
connected
to the circuit).
>
> I did a quick google and it appears that this is common and referred
to as
"nuisance tripping".
>
> Does anyone have any suggestions on how to resolve it without
dropping another
$53?
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=472926#
472926atronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List">http://www.matronics.com/Naa
> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.
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Subject: | Re: GFCI Breaker keeps tripping (Non Aviation) |
ceengland7(at)gmail.com wrote:
> Sure. $7 breaker. :-)
>
Thanks for the tip on how to void my homeowners insurance.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=472938#472938
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Subject: | Re: GFCI Breaker keeps tripping (Non Aviation) |
yellowduckduo(at)gmail.co wrote:
> Any chance of condensation or water leakage?
> I've also seen tripping issues when mice get at the wiring.
>
No. Nice and dry with no rodents.
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Subject: | Re: Comm Radio Mic Cable -> Audio Panel |
Don,
Thanks. Since there is no ground pin on the PSE J1 connector, I will just
leave the Mic GND (what PSE calls "Mic Lo") disconnected at that end.
Cheers,
-- Art Z.
On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 7:16 PM, don van santen <donvansanten@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Art, I talked to PSE and they said to either leave the mic lo disconnected
> at both ends or connect as you did at radio end and connect to the ground
> wire at the PSE end. The shield connects to the rest of the PSE shields. No
> double ended
> shield connections.
> Don
>
> On Sep 16, 2017 15:47, "Art Zemon" <art@zemon.name> wrote:
>
> Folks,
>
> I'm hoping that someone here knows the answer quicker than I can get an
> answer from VAL Avionics, since it is a weekend.
>
> My VAL COM 2000 radio shows microphone connections for
>
> - Mic Key
> - Mic Audio
> - Mic GND
> - Shield tied to Mic GND (grounded at one end only)
>
> My PS Engineering audio panel shows microphone connections for
>
> - Mic Key
> - Mic Audio
> - Shield (grounded at one end only)
>
> What do I do with the Mic GND? Is tying it to the shield and grounding it
> at one end sufficient?
>
>
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Subject: | Re: GFCI Breaker keeps tripping (Non Aviation) |
A ground fault outlet could be used instead of a ground fault circuit breaker.
A ground fault outlet can be wired to protect all other outlets that are electrically
located downstream from it.
--------
Joe Gores
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Subject: | Re: Comm Radio Mic Cable -> Audio Panel |
Art, the ground that PSE was referong to is the two ground wires in the
power and ground section. The audio panel will not funtion without a power
return (ground).
On Sep 17, 2017 05:02, "Art Zemon" <art@zemon.name> wrote:
> Don,
>
> Thanks. Since there is no ground pin on the PSE J1 connector, I will just
> leave the Mic GND (what PSE calls "Mic Lo") disconnected at that end.
>
> Cheers,
> -- Art Z.
>
> On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 7:16 PM, don van santen <donvansanten@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Art, I talked to PSE and they said to either leave the mic lo
>> disconnected at both ends or connect as you did at radio end and connect to
>> the ground wire at the PSE end. The shield connects to the rest of the PSE
>> shields. No double ended
>> shield connections.
>> Don
>>
>> On Sep 16, 2017 15:47, "Art Zemon" <art@zemon.name> wrote:
>>
>> Folks,
>>
>> I'm hoping that someone here knows the answer quicker than I can get an
>> answer from VAL Avionics, since it is a weekend.
>>
>> My VAL COM 2000 radio shows microphone connections for
>>
>> - Mic Key
>> - Mic Audio
>> - Mic GND
>> - Shield tied to Mic GND (grounded at one end only)
>>
>> My PS Engineering audio panel shows microphone connections for
>>
>> - Mic Key
>> - Mic Audio
>> - Shield (grounded at one end only)
>>
>> What do I do with the Mic GND? Is tying it to the shield and grounding it
>> at one end sufficient?
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> https://CheerfulCurmudgeon.com/
>
> *"If I am not for myself, who is for me? And if I am only for myself, what
> am I? And if not now, when?" Hillel*
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Subject: | Re: Comm Radio Mic Cable -> Audio Panel |
Yes, I understand that.
-- Art Z.
On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 8:38 AM, don van santen <donvansanten@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Art, the ground that PSE was referong to is the two ground wires in the
> power and ground section. The audio panel will not funtion without a power
> return (ground).
>
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Subject: | Re: GFCI Breaker keeps tripping (Non Aviation) |
user9253 wrote:
> A ground fault outlet could be used instead of a ground fault circuit breaker.
A ground fault outlet can be wired to protect all other outlets that are electrically
located downstream from it.
Not here. Code requires a GFCI circuit breaker in the panel. Otherwisie I would
have gone that route because the outlets don't seem to have as many nuisance
trips as the breakers do.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=472944#472944
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Subject: | Re: GFCI Breaker keeps tripping (Non Aviation) |
>From Electrician.com:
Try to keep your circuit length
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Subject: | Re: GFCI Breaker keeps tripping (Non Aviation) |
On 9/17/2017 4:20 AM, donjohnston wrote:
>
>
> ceengland7(at)gmail.com wrote:
>> Sure. $7 breaker. :-)
>>
>
> Thanks for the tip on how to void my homeowners insurance.
Sorry for the short, then delayed answers; I was on the road & fingering
my phone.
I certainly wasn't trying to get you in trouble with anyone. But your
1st post said 'every 120 breaker' which I guess means every 120V breaker
in that panel. Unless the NEC has changed radically in the last few
years, the only place GFI breakers are required is near water (over
kitchen/bathroom sinks, outdoors, etc). I've seen a *lot* of CB panels,
and I've never seen one where every 120V breaker was GFI. Are you in
some country other than the USA, or some state or county with bizarrely
draconian electrical codes?
I know that if a contractor tried to tell me I needed GFIs in every
slot, I'd be looking for another contractor.
Having said all that, if I were getting random GFI trips with nothing on
the circuit, I'd be looking for 'issues' with both the ground wiring and
the neutral wiring. I'd probably start with the neutral, making sure
that its 'bond' to the ground in the panel is secure. Also, you can buy
an inexpensive GFI tester for <$20, if you shop around online. There's
tons of posts online about troubleshooting the issue, too.
Here's a link from a reputable meter mfgr discussing how to troubleshoot
the problem.
http://www.fluke.com/fluke/uses/comunidad/fluke-news-plus/articlecategories/grounding/chasing-ghost-trips
Charlie
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Subject: | Re: GFCI Breaker keeps tripping (Non Aviation) |
I believe that the code now states that arc fault are needed everywhere.
Gfci do not like anything that has a motor on it, like microwaves,
refrigerators, dishwashers.
On Sep 17, 2017 7:42 PM, "Charlie England" <ceengland7@gmail.com> wrote:
> ceengland7@gmail.com>
>
> On 9/17/2017 4:20 AM, donjohnston wrote:
>
>> don@velocity-xl.com>
>>
>>
>> ceengland7(at)gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Sure. $7 breaker. :-)
>>>
>>>
>> Thanks for the tip on how to void my homeowners insurance.
>>
> Sorry for the short, then delayed answers; I was on the road & fingering
> my phone.
>
> I certainly wasn't trying to get you in trouble with anyone. But your 1st
> post said 'every 120 breaker' which I guess means every 120V breaker in
> that panel. Unless the NEC has changed radically in the last few years, the
> only place GFI breakers are required is near water (over kitchen/bathroom
> sinks, outdoors, etc). I've seen a *lot* of CB panels, and I've never seen
> one where every 120V breaker was GFI. Are you in some country other than
> the USA, or some state or county with bizarrely draconian electrical codes?
>
> I know that if a contractor tried to tell me I needed GFIs in every slot,
> I'd be looking for another contractor.
>
> Having said all that, if I were getting random GFI trips with nothing on
> the circuit, I'd be looking for 'issues' with both the ground wiring and
> the neutral wiring. I'd probably start with the neutral, making sure that
> its 'bond' to the ground in the panel is secure. Also, you can buy an
> inexpensive GFI tester for <$20, if you shop around online. There's tons of
> posts online about troubleshooting the issue, too.
>
> Here's a link from a reputable meter mfgr discussing how to troubleshoot
> the problem.
> http://www.fluke.com/fluke/uses/comunidad/fluke-news-plus/
> articlecategories/grounding/chasing-ghost-trips
>
>
> Charlie
>
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Subject: | starter contactor |
Does anyone know if there is an automotive source or part number for the traditional
three-terminal intermittent duty cycle starter contactor?
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Subject: | Re: GFCI Breaker keeps tripping (Non Aviation) |
Great article!
Sent from my iPhone
> On Sep 17, 2017, at 6:39 PM, Charlie England <ceengland7@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>> On 9/17/2017 4:20 AM, donjohnston wrote:
>>
>>
>> ceengland7(at)gmail.com wrote:
>>> Sure. $7 breaker. :-)
>>>
>>
>> Thanks for the tip on how to void my homeowners insurance.
> Sorry for the short, then delayed answers; I was on the road & fingering my phone.
>
> I certainly wasn't trying to get you in trouble with anyone. But your 1st post
said 'every 120 breaker' which I guess means every 120V breaker in that panel.
Unless the NEC has changed radically in the last few years, the only place
GFI breakers are required is near water (over kitchen/bathroom sinks, outdoors,
etc). I've seen a *lot* of CB panels, and I've never seen one where every 120V
breaker was GFI. Are you in some country other than the USA, or some state
or county with bizarrely draconian electrical codes?
>
> I know that if a contractor tried to tell me I needed GFIs in every slot, I'd
be looking for another contractor.
>
> Having said all that, if I were getting random GFI trips with nothing on the
circuit, I'd be looking for 'issues' with both the ground wiring and the neutral
wiring. I'd probably start with the neutral, making sure that its 'bond' to
the ground in the panel is secure. Also, you can buy an inexpensive GFI tester
for <$20, if you shop around online. There's tons of posts online about troubleshooting
the issue, too.
>
> Here's a link from a reputable meter mfgr discussing how to troubleshoot the
problem.
> http://www.fluke.com/fluke/uses/comunidad/fluke-news-plus/articlecategories/grounding/chasing-ghost-trips
>
>
> Charlie
>
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Subject: | Re: starter contactor |
Alec,
Go to Pep Boys and search on starter solenoid and there are a number of them to
choose from. Prices range from $175.99 to $11.99. Surely one of them will tickle
your fancy.
Blue skies & tailwinds,
Bob Borger
Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop (75 hrs).
Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208-5331
Cel: 817-992-1117
rlborger@mac.com
On Sep 17, 2017, at 7:35 PM, Alec Myers <alec@alecmyers.com> wrote:
Does anyone know if there is an automotive source or part number for the traditional
three-terminal intermittent duty cycle starter contactor?
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Subject: | Re: starter contactor |
Hi Alec;
Try Aircraft Spruce Part # 11-03162, which is a Unipoint Part # SNLS-135T. They
must be having a weak moment and have it on sale for less than $10.
Cheers! Stu.
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Subject: AeroElectric-List: starter contactor
Does anyone know if there is an automotive source or part number for the traditional
three-terminal intermittent duty cycle starter contactor?
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Subject: | Re: starter contactor |
Or do the same on ebay until you see one that looks suitable, & either
order it, or get the make/model of the car it fits to the local auto
parts store.
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=starter+relay&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR12.TRC2.A0.H0.Xstarter+solenoid.TRS0&_nkw=starter+solenoid&_sacat=0
On 9/17/2017 7:56 PM, Robert Borger wrote:
>
> Alec,
>
> Go to Pep Boys and search on starter solenoid and there are a number of them
to choose from. Prices range from $175.99 to $11.99. Surely one of them will
tickle your fancy.
>
> Blue skies & tailwinds,
> Bob Borger
> Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop (75 hrs).
> Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP
> 3705 Lynchburg Dr.
> Corinth, TX 76208-5331
> Cel: 817-992-1117
> rlborger@mac.com
>
> On Sep 17, 2017, at 7:35 PM, Alec Myers <alec@alecmyers.com> wrote:
>
>
> Does anyone know if there is an automotive source or part number for the traditional
three-terminal intermittent duty cycle starter contactor?
>
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Subject: | Re: starter contactor |
At 07:35 PM 9/17/2017, you wrote:
>
>Does anyone know if there is an automotive source or part number for
>the traditional three-terminal intermittent duty cycle starter contactor?
There are dozens . . . A partial list of cross-reference
numbers includes
F3914, SS-598, F496, 1M1517
They look like this
http://www.aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Contactors/Starter_Contact
and have the words 'DIODE SUPRESSED' stamped
on the bottom . . . it will work
Bob . . .
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