---------------------------------------------------------- AeroElectric-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 05/02/18: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:33 PM - WIFI Repeater/Booster Options For My Remote Steel Hangar??? (William Hunter) 2. 07:04 PM - Velcro Ties (Art Zemon) 3. 07:09 PM - Re: WIFI Repeater/Booster Options For My Remote Steel Hangar??? (user9253) 4. 07:23 PM - Re: Velcro Ties (Ernest Christley) 5. 07:26 PM - Re: WIFI Repeater/Booster Options For My Remote Steel Hangar??? (Ernest Christley) 6. 08:26 PM - Re: WIFI Repeater/Booster Options For My Remote Steel Hangar??? (Charlie England) 7. 08:37 PM - Re: Velcro Ties (argoldman@aol.com) 8. 09:13 PM - Re: WIFI Repeater/Booster Options For My Remote Steel Hangar??? (Tim Olson) 9. 09:33 PM - Re: WIFI Repeater/Booster Options For My Remote Steel Hangar??? (William Hunter) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:33:57 PM PST US From: "William Hunter" Subject: AeroElectric-List: WIFI Repeater/Booster Options For My Remote Steel Hangar??? Hi All, Sorry about a slightly off topic question.however.since there are a lot of smart people with various technical backgrounds on this forum I was hoping to get some (free) IT advice. I have a DSL ADSL2+ modem with WIFI transmitter in the center of my house (Comtrend AR-5381U). My steel hangar is about 50 feet away and there is cement and asphalt over the ground between the house and the hangar so to dig down and install a CAT 5 cable run out to the hangar is not a fun option. Are there any WIFI extender options available to get WIFI out to the hangar? I envision some kind DSL modem with a high powered WIFI router in the house and one of the router's external WIFI antennas can be remote mounted on the outside eve of the house using a cable connection between the WIFI router and the remote mounted antenna and then another such WIFI antenna mounted on the outside of the steel hangar with a cable to a WIFI router (or extender) inside the hangar that rebroadcasts the WIFI signal in the hangar. There is only about 50 feet distance between the house wall and the hangar wall. Is there such a contraption available? If so can you please recommend a make and model. Any advice/suggestions/experience/ moments of silence/ positive energy dances would be most appreciated!!! Again.sorry about the off topic question. .. Cheers!!! Bill Hunter ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:04:21 PM PST US From: Art Zemon Subject: AeroElectric-List: Velcro Ties Folks, Do you have any thoughts about using Velcro ties, or generic hook 'n' loop straps, for dressing wires behind the instrument panel? It's seeming like a good idea to me, especially in a plane where the panel is not "done." But maybe my ol' brain is simply addled with exhaustion. Thanks, -- Art Z. -- https://CheerfulCurmudgeon.com/ *"If I am not for myself, who is for me? And if I am only for myself, what am I? And if not now, when?" Hillel* ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:09:11 PM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: WIFI Repeater/Booster Options For My Remote Steel Hangar??? From: "user9253" One possibility is a USB WiFi adapter along with an USB extension cable. Put the adapter outside under the hangar eave. They cost as little as $0.99 from China to over $100.00 https://www.howtogeek.com/243330/how-to-choose-a-usb-wi-fi-adapter-for-your-laptop/ Other people might have a better idea. A water pipe could water blast its way under a concrete driveway, but not 50 feet. -------- Joe Gores Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=479792#479792 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:23:59 PM PST US From: Ernest Christley Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Velcro Ties I love them.=C2- Especially on a tube airframe.=C2- You can run a loop around a member and lock it in place, then unzip it to add a wire and put i t back.=C2- There is always a layer of velcro between the wire and the tu be.=C2- They are generally long enough that you can get a couple turns ar ound the tube and pull them down tight, and the wires are held very snug. =C2- But, it is still easy to go back in and add another wire or pull one out.=C2- They are just as strong as nylon ties, but more flexible. On Wednesday, May 2, 2018 10:05 PM, Art Zemon wrote: Folks, Do you have any thoughts about using Velcro ties, or generic hook 'n' loop straps, for dressing wires behind the instrument panel? It's seeming like a good idea to me, especially in a plane where the panel is not "done." But maybe my ol' brain is simply addled with exhaustion. Thanks,=C2- =C2- -- Art Z. -- https://CheerfulCurmudgeon.com/ "If I am not for myself, who is for me? And if I am only for myself, what a m I? And if not now, when?" Hillel ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:26:45 PM PST US From: Ernest Christley Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: WIFI Repeater/Booster Options For My Remote Steel Hangar??? Google for cantennae. When I was in Kentucky, I wanted to get my wifi down by the pool.=C2- I s et a 10"x10" square of aluminum behind my cable modem with the internal ant ennae to direct the signal.=C2- It worked like a charm. On Wednesday, May 2, 2018 8:35 PM, William Hunter wrote: Hi All, =C2-Sorry about a slightly off topic questionhoweversin ce there are a lot of smart people with various technical backgrounds on th is forum I was hoping to get some (free) IT advice. =C2-I have a DSL ADSL 2+ modem with WIFI transmitter in the center of my house (Comtrend AR-5381U ).=C2- =C2-My steel hangar is about 50 feet away and there is cement a nd asphalt over the ground between the house and the hangar so to dig down and install a CAT 5 cable run out to the hangar is not a fun option. =C2- Are there any WIFI extender options available to get WIFI out to the hangar ?=C2- =C2-I envision some kind DSL modem with a high powered WIFI rout er in the house and one of the router=99s external WIFI antennas can be remote mounted on the outside eve of the house using a cable connection between the WIFI router and the remote mounted antenna and then another suc h WIFI antenna mounted on the outside of the steel hangar with a cable to a WIFI router (or extender) inside the hangar that rebroadcasts the WIFI sig nal in the hangar.=C2- There is only about 50 feet distance between the h ouse wall and the hangar wall. =C2-Is there such a contraption available? =C2- If so can you please recommend a make and model. =C2-Any advice/su ggestions/experience/ moments of silence/ positive energy dances would be m ost appreciated!!! =C2-Againsorry about the off topic question.. . =C2-Cheers!!! =C2-Bill=C2- Hunter =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:26:48 PM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: WIFI Repeater/Booster Options For My Remote Steel Hangar??? From: Charlie England On 5/2/2018 7:32 PM, William Hunter wrote: > > Hi All, > > Sorry about a slightly off topic questionhoweversince there are a > lot of smart people with various technical backgrounds on this forum I > was hoping to get some (free) IT advice. > > I have a DSL ADSL2+ modem with WIFI transmitter in the center of my > house (Comtrend AR-5381U). > > My steel hangar is about 50 feet away and there is cement and asphalt > over the ground between the house and the hangar so to dig down and > install a CAT 5 cable run out to the hangar is not a fun option. > > Are there any WIFI extender options available to get WIFI out to the > hangar? > > I envision some kind DSL modem with a high powered WIFI router in the > house and one of the routers external WIFI antennas can be remote > mounted on the outside eve of the house using a cable connection > between the WIFI router and the remote mounted antenna and then > another such WIFI antenna mounted on the outside of the steel hangar > with a cable to a WIFI router (or extender) inside the hangar that > rebroadcasts the WIFI signal in the hangar. There is only about 50 > feet distance between the house wall and the hangar wall. > > Is there such a contraption available? If so can you please recommend > a make and model. > > Any advice/suggestions/experience/ moments of silence/ positive energy > dances would be most appreciated!!! > > Againsorry about the off topic question. > > .. > > Cheers!!! > > Bill Hunter > There are probably much more qualified people here that can advise, but I've done similar stuff. I'd be doubtful of remoting one of the router's antennas, unless it specifically says you can. Most of the new stuff operates at roughly 5 times the frequency of our transponders. Dozens of feet of coax at those frequencies... not likely to work well. One way is to wire a 2nd router to your network, positioned where the hangar can 'see' it. Place what's known as an 'access point' at the hangar, where it can 'see' the router at the house. Wire the access point to an additional router in the hangar. The kicker to all this is configuring everything to talk to each other. I did it years ago, when a neighbor could get DSL but my house was just too far away from the DSLAM to work. I now have a bad DSL connection, and a decent LTE modem serving my home network, and I've forgotten most of the config details. A better option, Ubiquiti Nanostations, would look functionally similar, but would probably be easier to set up. I haven't used these, but they come highly recommended by guys on a Linux user group I monitor. https://www.google.com/search?q=Ubiquiti+nano+stations&oq=Ubiquiti+nano+stations&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i65.7250182j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 A bit over $100 for a pair, and you'll still need another router in the hangar. A third option, if the hangar AC power is fed from the house's meter and panel, would be a power line networking pair. Note that both the transmitter and receiver need to be on the same 'side' of the panel (same phase of your AC power). Look here for options. https://www.google.com/search?q=powerline+network+extender&oq=power+line+network&aqs=chrome.2.69i57j0l5.11494j0j9&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 Charlie --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:37:36 PM PST US From: argoldman@aol.com Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Velcro Ties Ill second that.=C2- As=C2- temporary holders they are terrific. You ca n get a coil of velcro (non-adhesive) with male on one side and female on t he other and cut it to the length and width required. Depending on the comp lexity of your installation, you can save hundreds of wire ties or lacing k nots. =C2- Don't ask me why there are literally piles of threads and cut plastic ties on the floor. =C2- Use permanent only after all your wires are routed AND TESTED. When you are ready to actually button up. =C2- I found with mine, that to this point ( I think that I am just about done ( famous last words) I have literally made many many many changes that requir ed removing all of my beautiful ties to this point. I now against my compul sion to tie up all the wire bundles and although almost done, will only use velcro to get them bound until I am CERTAIN. =C2- I would not, however, use them as a permanent binding method as the binding performance is possibly unknown in the hot environment. Should they let go , this may be in an area of control rods (elevators) rods, springs, cables etc which may be used in elevator trim and autopilot. =C2- Rich =C2- In a message dated 5/2/2018 9:24:39 PM Central Standard Time, echristley@at t.net writes: =C2- I love them.=C2- Especially on a tube airframe.=C2- You can run a loop around a member and lock it in place, then unzip it to add a wire and put i t back.=C2- There is always a layer of velcro between the wire and the tu be.=C2- They are generally long enough that you can get a couple turns ar ound the tube and pull them down tight, and the wires are held very snug. =C2- But, it is still easy to go back in and add another wire or pull one out.=C2- =C2- They are just as strong as nylon ties, but more flexible. =C2- On Wednesday, May 2, 2018 10:05 PM, Art Zemon wrote: Folks, =C2- Do you have any thoughts about using Velcro ties, or generic hook 'n' loop straps, for dressing wires behind the instrument panel? It's seeming like a good idea to me, especially in a plane where the panel is not "done." But maybe my ol' brain is simply addled with exhaustion. =C2- Thanks, =C2- =C2- -- Art Z. =C2- -- https://CheerfulCurmudgeon.com/ "If I am not for myself, who is for me? And if I am only for myself, what a m I? And if not now, when?" Hillel ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:13:38 PM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: WIFI Repeater/Booster Options For My Remote Steel Hangar??? From: Tim Olson I set up a pair of these Ubiquiti Loco M5's for a hangar to hangar bridge of a few hundred feet at our airport this year. They are very easy to configure and work very well. As mentioned by Charlie, you would then still put a wireless access point in the hangar if you want wifi there (or you could hard wire a PC direct). They have a range of 10km, so you probably want to lower the power level for a short link, but, they should be very reliable and fast. You can also buy some versions of wireless AP that can act as a wireless client to your home wifi, and mount that on the hangar and run the cable to your PC in the hangar. There are just so many ways to skin the cat. It all depends on how much cash you put in, but in general the most you could spend would be a couple hundred bucks if you went real deluxe. Tim On 5/2/2018 10:25 PM, Charlie England wrote: >> > There are probably much more qualified people here that can advise, > but I've done similar stuff. > > I'd be doubtful of remoting one of the router's antennas, unless it > specifically says you can. Most of the new stuff operates at roughly 5 > times the frequency of our transponders. Dozens of feet of coax at > those frequencies... not likely to work well. > > One way is to wire a 2nd router to your network, positioned where the > hangar can 'see' it. Place what's known as an 'access point' at the > hangar, where it can 'see' the router at the house. Wire the access > point to an additional router in the hangar. The kicker to all this is > configuring everything to talk to each other. I did it years ago, when > a neighbor could get DSL but my house was just too far away from the > DSLAM to work. I now have a bad DSL connection, and a decent LTE modem > serving my home network, and I've forgotten most of the config details. > > A better option, Ubiquiti Nanostations, would look functionally > similar, but would probably be easier to set up. I haven't used these, > but they come highly recommended by guys on a Linux user group I monitor. > https://www.google.com/search?q=Ubiquiti+nano+stations&oq=Ubiquiti+nano+stations&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i65.7250182j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 > > A bit over $100 for a pair, and you'll still need another router in > the hangar. > > A third option, if the hangar AC power is fed from the house's meter > and panel, would be a power line networking pair. Note that both the > transmitter and receiver need to be on the same 'side' of the panel > (same phase of your AC power). Look here for options. > https://www.google.com/search?q=powerline+network+extender&oq=power+line+network&aqs=chrome.2.69i57j0l5.11494j0j9&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 > > Charlie > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:33:19 PM PST US From: "William Hunter" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: WIFI Repeater/Booster Options For My Remote Steel Hangar??? Yes I admit this topic is a bit over my head.so THANKS for your help. > It all depends on how much cash you put in, but in general the most you could spend would be a couple hundred bucks if you went real deluxe. 200 bucks is within the threshold of pain.less pain than digging > you would then still put a wireless access point in the hangar if you want wifi Yes preferred based on the need for handheld phones in addition to the PC (poor cellphone coverage here so WIFI is the only internet show in town) >They have a range of 10km, The house does not have any windows that face the hangar so some kind of remote antenna under the eve of the roof would be ideal. how does the WIFI get from the inside router to the rocket antenna? The hangar is only 50 feet wall to wall. .. Cheers!!! Bill Hunter From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson Sent: Wednesday, May 2, 2018 9:12 PM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: WIFI Repeater/Booster Options For My Remote Steel Hangar??? I set up a pair of these Ubiquiti Loco M5's for a hangar to hangar bridge of a few hundred feet at our airport this year. They are very easy to configure and work very well. As mentioned by Charlie, you would then still put a wireless access point in the hangar if you want wifi there (or you could hard wire a PC direct). They have a range of 10km, so you probably want to lower the power level for a short link, but, they should be very reliable and fast. You can also buy some versions of wireless AP that can act as a wireless client to your home wifi, and mount that on the hangar and run the cable to your PC in the hangar. There are just so many ways to skin the cat. It all depends on how much cash you put in, but in general the most you could spend would be a couple hundred bucks if you went real deluxe. Tim On 5/2/2018 10:25 PM, Charlie England wrote: There are probably much more qualified people here that can advise, but I've done similar stuff. I'd be doubtful of remoting one of the router's antennas, unless it specifically says you can. Most of the new stuff operates at roughly 5 times the frequency of our transponders. Dozens of feet of coax at those frequencies... not likely to work well. One way is to wire a 2nd router to your network, positioned where the hangar can 'see' it. Place what's known as an 'access point' at the hangar, where it can 'see' the router at the house. Wire the access point to an additional router in the hangar. The kicker to all this is configuring everything to talk to each other. I did it years ago, when a neighbor could get DSL but my house was just too far away from the DSLAM to work. I now have a bad DSL connection, and a decent LTE modem serving my home network, and I've forgotten most of the config details. A better option, Ubiquiti Nanostations, would look functionally similar, but would probably be easier to set up. I haven't used these, but they come highly recommended by guys on a Linux user group I monitor. https://www.google.com/search?q=Ubiquiti+nano+stations &oq=Ubiquiti+nano+stations&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i65.7250182j0j7&sourceid=chro me&ie=UTF-8 A bit over $100 for a pair, and you'll still need another router in the hangar. A third option, if the hangar AC power is fed from the house's meter and panel, would be a power line networking pair. Note that both the transmitter and receiver need to be on the same 'side' of the panel (same phase of your AC power). Look here for options. https://www.google.com/search?q=powerline+network+extender &oq=power+line+network&aqs=chrome.2.69i57j0l5.11494j0j9&sourceid=chrome&ie=U TF-8 Charlie ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message aeroelectric-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/AeroElectric-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/aeroelectric-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/aeroelectric-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.