---------------------------------------------------------- AeroElectric-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 05/03/18: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:25 AM - Z 16 OVP fuselink question (William Daniell) 2. 08:15 AM - Re: WIFI Repeater/Booster Options For My Remote Steel Hangar??? (Joel Ventura) 3. 08:41 AM - Re: WIFI Repeater/Booster Options For My Remote Steel Hangar??? (Tim Olson) 4. 11:05 AM - Need to increase built-in Voltage Regulator limit by .5V (Peter Schwenn) 5. 11:35 AM - Re: Z 16 OVP fuselink question (user9253) 6. 12:00 PM - Re: Need to increase built-in Voltage Regulator limit by .5V (user9253) 7. 12:22 PM - Re: Velcro Ties (FLYaDIVE) 8. 03:26 PM - Re: Re: Z 16 OVP fuselink question (William Daniell) 9. 03:48 PM - Antenna Question () 10. 05:44 PM - Re: Antenna Question (FLYaDIVE) 11. 06:19 PM - Re: Antenna Question (Alec Myers) 12. 06:24 PM - Re: Z 16 OVP fuselink question (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 13. 06:59 PM - Re: Z 16 OVP fuselink question (William Daniell) 14. 07:13 PM - Re: Velcro Ties (Ernest Christley) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:25:56 AM PST US From: William Daniell Subject: AeroElectric-List: Z 16 OVP fuselink question The positive wire from the buss to master (and OVP module) to ALT relay is protected by 22AWG fuselink. Can I use an ATC fuse instead? I have reformed and simplified my electrical system based on AEC. I now have a fuse buss instead of breakers etc. I have a slot spare and to use an ATC fuse would be simpler. Many thanks Will William Daniell LONGPORT +57 310 295 0744 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:15:03 AM PST US From: Joel Ventura Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: WIFI Repeater/Booster Options For My Remote Steel Hangar??? Tmart sells several inexpensive WiFi devices that may help you. Go to the link below, and search for wifi extender, wifi repeater, and wifi booster. That should cover it. I have not purchased any of these devices, so I don't know how good they are, however, I have purchased other electronics, including wifi devices from them, and they worked as advertised. Reviews of the products are available, but I do not know how useful they will be. Be aware that some of their products ship from the US and others from China, so check that out. Since they usually don't charge for shipping, if it is coming from China, it will be by slow boat and can take over a month. Since I have an account with them, if I refer you we each get a $10 off coupon. Let me know if you are interested in that. Good luck, and let us know what worked. --joel https://www.tmart.com/search.html?typeid=&q=wifi+repeater On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 8:32 PM, William Hunter wrote: > Hi All, > > > Sorry about a slightly off topic questionhoweversince t here are a lot of > smart people with various technical backgrounds on this forum I was hopin g > to get some (free) IT advice. > > > I have a DSL ADSL2+ modem with WIFI transmitter in the center of my house > (Comtrend AR-5381U). > > > My steel hangar is about 50 feet away and there is cement and asphalt ove r > the ground between the house and the hangar so to dig down and install a > CAT 5 cable run out to the hangar is not a fun option. > > > Are there any WIFI extender options available to get WIFI out to the > hangar? > > > I envision some kind DSL modem with a high powered WIFI router in the > house and one of the router=99s external WIFI antennas can be remot e mounted > on the outside eve of the house using a cable connection between the WIFI > router and the remote mounted antenna and then another such WIFI antenna > mounted on the outside of the steel hangar with a cable to a WIFI router > (or extender) inside the hangar that rebroadcasts the WIFI signal in the > hangar. There is only about 50 feet distance between the house wall and > the hangar wall. > > > Is there such a contraption available? If so can you please recommend a > make and model. > > > Any advice/suggestions/experience/ moments of silence/ positive energy > dances would be most appreciated!!! > > > Againsorry about the off topic question. > > .. > > > Cheers!!! > > > Bill Hunter > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:41:19 AM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: WIFI Repeater/Booster Options For My Remote Steel Hangar??? From: Tim Olson Hi Bill, With wifi there are so many ways you can do the various links, from repeaters to hard wired and then wireless bridges to jump the gap. I personally prefer to hardware to the bridges. So, going that route looks like this: Assuming you have a current router that has an open LAN port on it to plug a hard wired device, you run a cable from the router to under your eaves or anywhere that you can get line of sight to the hangar. Literally any line of site should work fine. You plug the cable into the Ubiquiti bridge and run it to the router. You connect a little power-over-ethernet box into that cable, and then your router uses a second shorter patch cable to connect to that POE box as well. That POE box makes things real nice as you don't have to run a power circuit to the bridge, but it's fed by the CAT5/6 cable by injecting power inline. Now you're broadcasting. And these things can go point to point, or point to multipoint, so if you had other garages, you just need another one for every site you want to connect into the system. Here are 2 versions of bridge. You can use whichever frequency band you want. https://smile.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-Networks-0000070700985-NanoStation-loco/dp/B004EHSV4W/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1525361752&sr=8-1&keywords=ubiquiti+nanostation+loco+m5 https://smile.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-NanoStation-locoM2-2-4GHz-Outdoor/dp/B00DCNRTAG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1525361777&sr=8-1&keywords=ubiquiti+nanostation+loco+m2 On the hangar end, you have basically a very similar thing, in that you have a power injector with a CAT5/6 cable to the wireless bridge device. But, on the inside of that POE converter, you just connect a patch cable to whatever router or access point you want to use in the hangar. You do NOT use the WAN port if you use a router, as this router you would want operating in wireless access point mode. There are just hundreds of choices, and I've never bought Ubiquiti for in-home AP's before, but something like this would work. https://smile.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-Unifi-UAP-AC-Iw-Wireless-Access/dp/B06XZLP8Q6/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1525361647&sr=8-2&keywords=unifi+ac+in-wall As would something like this: https://smile.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-Unifi-Ap-AC-Lite-UAPACLITEUS/dp/B015PR20GY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1525361714&sr=8-1&keywords=unifi+apac+lite So just plug the cat5/6 from the AP into the same power injector on the LAN side, (or if it offers it's own POE adapter just use CAT5/6 to connect them together) and then you now have a wireless AP in your hangar that's on the same network as your house network is. You can set the same SSID if you wish, on the AP, and the same security, and everything. I'm a fan of not buying all-in-one wireless routers, because it allows you to buy a nice little router and then have separate AP's to locate in places to better cover the house. Anyway, that's a general picture of what you'd buy and how you'd connect it. Programming them is pretty easy too. Tim On 5/2/2018 11:32 PM, William Hunter wrote: > Yes I admit this topic is a bit over my headso THANKS for your help. > >> It all depends on how much cash you put in, but in general the most > you could spend would be a couple hundred bucks if you went real deluxe. > > 200 bucks is within the threshold of painless pain than digging > >> you would then still put a wireless access point in the hangar if you want wifi > > Yes preferred based on the need for handheld phones in addition to the > PC (poor cellphone coverage here so WIFI is the only internet show in town) > >>They have a range of 10km, > > The house does not have any windows that face the hangar so some kind of > remote antenna under the eve of the roof would be ideal how does the > WIFI get from the inside router to the rocket antenna? > > The hangar is only 50 feet wall to wall > > .. > > Cheers!!! > > Bill Hunter > > *From:*owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Tim > Olson > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 2, 2018 9:12 PM > *To:* aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: AeroElectric-List: WIFI Repeater/Booster Options For My > Remote Steel Hangar??? > > I set up a pair of these Ubiquiti Loco M5's for a hangar to hangar > bridge of a few hundred feet > at our airport this year. They are very easy to configure and work very > well. > As mentioned by Charlie, you would then still put a wireless access > point in the > hangar if you want wifi there (or you could hard wire a PC direct). > They have a range of 10km, so you probably want to lower the power level for > a short link, but, they should be very reliable and fast. You can also > buy some > versions of wireless AP that can act as a wireless client to your home wifi, > and mount that on the hangar and run the cable to your PC in the hangar. > There are just so many ways to skin the cat. It all depends on how much > cash > you put in, but in general the most you could spend would be a couple > hundred > bucks if you went real deluxe. > > Tim > > On 5/2/2018 10:25 PM, Charlie England wrote: > > There are probably much more qualified people here that can advise, > but I've done similar stuff. > > I'd be doubtful of remoting one of the router's antennas, unless it > specifically says you can. Most of the new stuff operates at roughly > 5 times the frequency of our transponders. Dozens of feet of coax at > those frequencies... not likely to work well. > > One way is to wire a 2nd router to your network, positioned where > the hangar can 'see' it. Place what's known as an 'access point' at > the hangar, where it can 'see' the router at the house. Wire the > access point to an additional router in the hangar. The kicker to > all this is configuring everything to talk to each other. I did it > years ago, when a neighbor could get DSL but my house was just too > far away from the DSLAM to work. I now have a bad DSL connection, > and a decent LTE modem serving my home network, and I've forgotten > most of the config details. > > A better option, Ubiquiti Nanostations, would look functionally > similar, but would probably be easier to set up. I haven't used > these, but they come highly recommended by guys on a Linux user > group I monitor. > https://www.google.com/search?q=Ubiquiti+nano+stations&oq=Ubiquiti+nano+stations&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i65.7250182j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 > > A bit over $100 for a pair, and you'll still need another router in > the hangar. > > A third option, if the hangar AC power is fed from the house's meter > and panel, would be a power line networking pair. Note that both the > transmitter and receiver need to be on the same 'side' of the panel > (same phase of your AC power). Look here for options. > https://www.google.com/search?q=powerline+network+extender&oq=power+line+network&aqs=chrome.2.69i57j0l5.11494j0j9&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 > > Charlie > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:05:58 AM PST US From: Peter Schwenn Subject: AeroElectric-List: Need to increase built-in Voltage Regulator limit by .5V AeroElectrocutors, Rotax 912iS internal voltage regulator cutoff is 14.2. Lithium-IRON (LiFePO4) needs 14.7 for full and timely charge. I can't reasonably modify the internal regulator. Is there a reasonable way to get 14.7V? Thanks, Peter Schwenn P.S. Why would I want to use a lithium-iron battery? Don't Lithium-Ion batteries have a host of problems? In my experience they have just one: if fully discharged (approx: <10 V) they can be difficult and slow to recover. They don't overheat or catch fire (as LiPo, LiCoO2,...can), They contain nothing toxic or hazardous. They needn't be charged slowly. They can supply current rapidly. They don't require a protective or heavy enclosure. All battery types differ in their requirements. Lithium-Iron requires a special charger; for balancing cells, recovery from discharge, and NOT performing operations other types may require. 240-602-6931 6514 41st Av. U Park MD 20782 Eaa4 & Xenos N32XS @ KCGS N16XN under construction - Rivetless skins for Laminar Flow http://www.schwenn.com ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:35:01 AM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Z 16 OVP fuselink question From: "user9253" If you have the 5 amp alternator circuit breaker, then I think it would be OK to replace the fuselink with a 30 amp fuse (or 35 if it will fit). A 22 awg fuselink can carry up to 40 amps before melting. Keep in mind that if the fuse blows, the alternator will be disconnected. It is not safe to replace a fuse while flying. -------- Joe Gores Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=479820#479820 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:00:33 PM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Need to increase built-in Voltage Regulator limit by .5V From: "user9253" 14.2 volts might be OK. Van's Aircraft put the new 912iS in their latest RV-12 along with a Lithium battery. Read what EarthX has to say: https://earthxbatteries.com/engine-charging-systems-use-lithium-batteries -------- Joe Gores Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=479821#479821 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:22:20 PM PST US From: FLYaDIVE Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Velcro Ties Art: I use Velcro all the time. GREAT for when you are figuring out where and how to run wires. Then AFTER all is good, I replace them with Black Ty-Wraps. Well, not all black ty-wraps. I use RED on power lines green on signal lines and yellow on audio lines. When ever I can... Sometimes bundles just don't cooperate. Barry On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 10:02 PM, Art Zemon wrote: > Folks, > > Do you have any thoughts about using Velcro ties, or generic hook 'n' loop > straps, for dressing wires behind the instrument panel? It's seeming like a > good idea to me, especially in a plane where the panel is not "done." But > maybe my ol' brain is simply addled with exhaustion. > > Thanks, > -- Art Z. > > -- > https://CheerfulCurmudgeon.com/ > > *"If I am not for myself, who is for me? And if I am only for myself, what > am I? And if not now, when?" Hillel* > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:26:40 PM PST US From: William Daniell Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Z 16 OVP fuselink question Joe Thanks Let me refine my question...(forgive me if in being dumb) "Is a 22awg fuselink electrically different from a 5amp ATC fuse or are they equivalent?" Will On Thu, May 3, 2018, 13:39 user9253 wrote: > > If you have the 5 amp alternator circuit breaker, then I think it would be > OK to replace the fuselink with a 30 amp fuse (or 35 if it will fit). A 22 > awg fuselink can carry up to 40 amps before melting. Keep in mind that if > the fuse blows, the alternator will be disconnected. It is not safe to > replace a fuse while flying. > > -------- > Joe Gores > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=479820#479820 > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:48:51 PM PST US From: Subject: AeroElectric-List: Antenna Question Would it create a problem if the transponder and com antennas are close to each other? Thanks Mike --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:44:57 PM PST US From: FLYaDIVE Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Antenna Question Mike: Do you have the ability to bench check the configuration before instlation? Manufactures usually ask for 36" to 48" separation between antennas. The transponder has an output of 100 to 310 Watts. That is a lot of signal to handle when close to another antenna. You can usually move the transponder antenna forward just ahead of the landing gear. May be difficult to do with a tail dagger??? But, the transponder is an output device not a receive device so noise is not an issue, so forward works well. The Comm antenna - Well, noise is an issue, separation is mandatory. Barry On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 6:47 PM, wrote: > > > Would it create a problem if the transponder and com antennas are close to > each other? > > > Thanks > > > Mike > > > ------------------------------ > [image: Avast logo] > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > <#m_-5554840755388425778_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:19:27 PM PST US From: Alec Myers Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Antenna Question Define close, and define problem. COM radios and tranponders use very different frequency bands. I dont think youre going to find anyone to guarantee no problems, but depending on what close means, my inexpert gut feeling its unlikely. Its possible that you might hear a faint ticking noise on the radio while the transponder is powered. On May 3, 2018, at 6:47 PM, wrote: Would it create a problem if the transponder and com antennas are close to each other? Thanks Mike This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:24:39 PM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Z 16 OVP fuselink question At 06:51 AM 5/3/2018, you wrote: >The positive wire from the buss to master (and >OVP module) to ALT relay is protected by 22AWG fuselink. > >Can I use an ATC fuse instead? > >I have reformed and simplified my electrical >system based on AEC.=C2 I now have a fuse buss >instead of breakers etc.=C2 I have a slot spare >and to use an ATC fuse would be simpler. A piece of 22AWG wire has a hard fault fusing characteristic on a par with a 40-50 at MaxiFuse. You could use a MaxiFuse but it's bulkier than the fusible link. Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:59:35 PM PST US From: William Daniell Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Z 16 OVP fuselink question Ok thanks appreciate the answer 22awg fuse link it is then. Will William Daniell LONGPORT +57 310 295 0744 On Thu, May 3, 2018, 20:28 Robert L. Nuckolls, III < nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com> wrote: > At 06:51 AM 5/3/2018, you wrote: > > The positive wire from the buss to master (and OVP module) to ALT relay i s > protected by 22AWG fuselink. > > Can I use an ATC fuse instead? > > I have reformed and simplified my electrical system based on AEC.=C3=82 I now > have a fuse buss instead of breakers etc.=C3=82 I have a slot spare and to use > an ATC fuse would be simpler. > > > A piece of 22AWG wire has a hard fault > fusing characteristic on a par with a > 40-50 at MaxiFuse. You could use a > MaxiFuse but it's bulkier than the > fusible link. > > > Bob . . . > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:13:24 PM PST US From: Ernest Christley Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Velcro Ties Why do you replace the velcro, Barry?=C2- I've left it on, and after 6 mo nths, if you can't find the end of the strip, it is VERY hard to get off. On Thursday, May 3, 2018 3:23 PM, FLYaDIVE wrote: Art: I use Velcro all the time. GREAT for when you are figuring out where and ho w to run wires.=C2- Then AFTER all is good, I replace them with Black Ty- Wraps.=C2- Well, not all black ty-wraps.=C2- I use RED on power lines g reen on signal lines and yellow on audio lines.=C2- When ever I can...=C2 - Sometimes bundles just don't cooperate. Barry On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 10:02 PM, Art Zemon wrote: Folks, Do you have any thoughts about using Velcro ties, or generic hook 'n' loop straps, for dressing wires behind the instrument panel? It's seeming like a good idea to me, especially in a plane where the panel is not "done." But maybe my ol' brain is simply addled with exhaustion. Thanks,=C2- =C2- -- Art Z. -- https://CheerfulCurmudgeon. com/ "If I am not for myself, who is for me? And if I am only for myself, what a m I? And if not now, when?" 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