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1. 08:39 AM - Re: Re: B&C switches (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
2. 08:41 AM - Re: WIFI Repeater/Booster Options For My Remote Steel Hangar??? (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
3. 08:50 AM - For want of a nail . . . (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
4. 08:55 AM - Re: B&C switches (blues750)
5. 09:02 AM - Re: WIFI Repeater/Booster Options For My Remote Steel Hangar??? (Robert Borger)
6. 11:32 AM - Re: WIFI Repeater/Booster Options For My Remote Steel Hangar??? (William Hunter)
7. 12:26 PM - Is the OVP 5 A CB supposed to trip when I switch off the alternator? (William Daniell)
8. 12:56 PM - Re: Is the OVP 5 A CB supposed to trip when I switch off the alternator? (Charlie England)
9. 01:03 PM - Re: B&C switches (blues750)
10. 01:50 PM - Re: Re: B&C switches (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
11. 04:07 PM - Re: Is the OVP 5 A CB supposed to trip when I switch off the alternator? (William Daniell)
12. 04:30 PM - Re: Is the OVP 5 A CB supposed to trip when I switch off the alt (user9253)
13. 04:34 PM - Re: Is the OVP 5 A CB supposed to trip when I switch off the al (user9253)
14. 04:51 PM - Re: Is the OVP 5 A CB supposed to trip when I switch off the alternator? (Charlie England)
15. 06:39 PM - Re: Is the OVP 5 A CB supposed to trip when I switch off the alternator? (William Daniell)
16. 10:54 PM - Re: Is the OVP 5 A CB supposed to trip when I switch off the alternator? (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
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| Subject: | Re: B&C switches |
>
>Thanks for the expert insight Bob. I was concerned about the inrush
>associated with the motor. As for your offer of helping to clean
>out your junk box - count me in! Any particular email address to
>send you my mailing info? Thanks again for sharing your thoughts
>and taking the time to do so...this list is an incredible
>resource!! Cheers :D
Go to my website and enter an 'order' but
just don't select any merchandise. That will
get your address enshrined for all eternity
(or until Matt's servers go dark).
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: WIFI Repeater/Booster Options For My Remote |
Steel Hangar???
At 05:05 PM 5/25/2018, you wrote:
>Bob,
>
>Thanks, I=99m going to give it a try to extend
>my network from the house to the shop out
>back. I=99d like to extend it to my hangar but
>it=99s 15 miles away and, for sure, not on my
>breaker box. But if I can get my network out to
>my shop, I=99ll be a happy camper.
Ohhh . . . 15 Miles? I was thinking 50 feet.
You CAN extend your wifi system to to distances
like that but you'll have to put up very directional
gain antennas possibly on short towers.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | For want of a nail . . . |
Spent too many hours and way too many dollars
chasing gremlins from an antenna system only
to discover that one of my SWR test coaxes
had an INTERMITENT short. Made for some very
confusing readings and misguided actions.
Only accidently noticed that my anomalous readings
manifested when coax behind the connector was
subject to the right side-pressure. Swapped
out the cable and the antenna refurbishment
task moved forward after replacement of stuff
that didn't need replacing.
Tore down the connector and found a couple
of 'whiskers' hanging out of the center
pin crimp.
Emacs!
Just long enough to come within a few micro-inches
of shorting the coax . . . putting the right
force vector on the coax would close the gap.
This was a commercially assembled test jumper
that has been hanging on my cable rack for
at least 15 years . . . just goes to show ya . . .
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: B&C switches |
nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelect wrote:
>
> >
> > Thanks for the expert insight Bob. I was concerned about the inrush associated
with the motor. As for your offer of helping to clean out your junk box
- count me in! Any particular email address to send you my mailing info? Thanks
again for sharing your thoughts and taking the time to do so...this list
is an incredible resource!! Cheers :D
>
> Go to my website and enter an 'order' but
> just don't select any merchandise. That will
> get your address enshrined for all eternity
> (or until Matt's servers go dark).
>
>
>
> Bob . . .
Done! Thanks again Bob
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| Subject: | Re: WIFI Repeater/Booster Options For My Remote |
Steel Hangar???
Bob,
Sorry to mess you up. I=99m not the one with the hangar 50 feet away.
I have a shop out back about 30 feet away.
Bob
Sent from my iPad
> On May 26, 2018, at 10:40, Robert L. Nuckolls, III <nuckolls.bob@aeroelect
ric.com> wrote:
>
> At 05:05 PM 5/25/2018, you wrote:
>> Bob,
>>
>> Thanks, I=99m going to give it a try to extend my network from the h
ouse to the shop out back. I=99d like to extend it to my hangar but i
t=99s 15 miles away and, for sure, not on my breaker box. But if I ca
n get my network out to my shop, I=99ll be a happy camper.
>
> Ohhh . . . 15 Miles? I was thinking 50 feet.
>
> You CAN extend your wifi system to to distances
> like that but you'll have to put up very directional
> gain antennas possibly on short towers.
>
>
> Bob . . .
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| Subject: | WIFI Repeater/Booster Options For My Remote |
Steel Hangar???
I am the guy who has the hangar 50 feet away from the house and my
Duraspeed DSL modem/WIFI router would not reach the hangar.
I just today received and installed these Netgear Powerline 1010
internet extenders:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01929V7ZG/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpa
ge?ie=UTF8
<https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01929V7ZG/ref=oh_aui_search_detailp
age?ie=UTF8&psc=1> &psc=1
NOTE: the come in a =9Cwired=9D and
=9Cwireless=9D options and make sure you select the wireless
if you want to have WIFI in the remote location.
The instructions are HORRIBLE and the person who wrote the instructions
should be required to setup a system based on using their instructions
and then they will realize how stupid they actually are.
So here was the scenario: I have a DSL modem/ WIFI router (in one
convenient plastic case) and it has a black box power cord that plugs
into the wall making heat and using electricity. If my house was small
that would be the singular solution however my house is large...and...it
also has the steel outbuilding (hangar/workshop) 50 feet away. The
outbuilding is on the same power supply (downstream of the meter) as the
house.
So I thought "great"...buy one BASE unit (plug looking box that does not
have a WIFI antenna) and connect that to my existing router using the
CAT 5 cable and then that box will digitize the internet signal and then
use the house copper wires as the wired connection to transmit the
internet signal to the far end of the house. Then I will plug in the
"WIFI ACCESS POINT" (plug looking box with the antenna) to grab the
internet signal from the house coper wires and then transmit WIFI to
that part of the house. I would also use an additional WIFI ACCESS
POINT and plug that into a socket in the master bedroom, and then use a
third WIFI access point out in the shop.
So I need one BASE unit and three WIFI ACCESS POINTS
check
HOWEVERNetgear only sells these things in bundles (one BASE
unit and one WIFI EXTENDER) and they do NOT sell the WIFI EXTENDERS
separately!!! So I am stuck having to buy THREE bundles and toss out
the two unneeded BASE units (or buy two bundles PLUS a separate WIFI
router then that router will have cables and wasted electricity.
Good thing these things come in bundles because one BASE unit did not
work so I tossed it out and grabbed another unused one (was already in
the garbage can because I thought I did not need it) and connected it up
and synced the units and it worked.
I used Speedtest to conduct two download tests of my Duraspeed WIFI
router to set a benchmark and then with each of the Netgear WIFI units
up and running and located in the exact same room as the Duraspeed and
at the same distance I ran two speed tests of each Netgear WIFI unit.
Then I took the Netgear WIFI units out to the outbuilding and conducted
two tests of each unit and to ensure reliable comparison I made sure my
laptop was the same distance away from each unit when conducting the
test and I also used the exact same wall outlet for each unit.
Ping
Download Upload
Duraspeed DSL Modem/WIFI 26 11.68
1.24
80
12.00 1.49
Netgear 18 In House 31
11.96 1.52
38
12.09 1.50
Netgear 18 In Outbuilding 33 12.09
1.50
131
12.26 1.50
Netgear 68 In House 21
11.79 1.47
87
3.14 1.51
Netgear 68 In Outbuilding 32 8.31
1.50
Second test stalled
Third test
stalled
27
12.48 1.50
Wellit seems to be working nowI will report back if
there are any more issues
..
Cheers!!!
Bill Hunter
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Robert Borger
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2018 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: WIFI Repeater/Booster Options For My
Remote Steel Hangar???
Bob,
Sorry to mess you up. I=99m not the one with the hangar 50 feet
away. I have a shop out back about 30 feet away.
Bob
Sent from my iPad
On May 26, 2018, at 10:40, Robert L. Nuckolls, III
<nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com <mailto:nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com> >
wrote:
At 05:05 PM 5/25/2018, you wrote:
Bob,
Thanks, I=99m going to give it a try to extend my network from the
house to the shop out back. I=99d like to extend it to my hangar
but it=99s 15 miles away and, for sure, not on my breaker box.
But if I can get my network out to my shop, I=99ll be a happy
camper.
Ohhh . . . 15 Miles? I was thinking 50 feet.
You CAN extend your wifi system to to distances
like that but you'll have to put up very directional
gain antennas possibly on short towers.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Is the OVP 5 A CB supposed to trip when I switch off |
the alternator?
I started my reformed electrical system today. The system is an exact Z16
with no mods. No exciting sparks or smoke and everything worked.
However with the engine running I switched off the ALT and the 5A CB in the
OVP circuit immediately tripped.
I reset and turned the ALT back on and everything operated normally.
Is this supposed to happen?
thanks
Will
William Daniell
LONGPORT
+57 310 295 0744
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| Subject: | Re: Is the OVP 5 A CB supposed to trip when I switch |
off the alternator?
Is the diode installed correctly across the alternator disconnect relay
coil?
Any chance you got the progressive master/alternator switch wired so the
alt comes on line 1st, and the system comes up second?
On Sat, May 26, 2018 at 2:25 PM, William Daniell <
wdaniell.longport@gmail.com> wrote:
> I started my reformed electrical system today. The system is an exact Z16
> with no mods. No exciting sparks or smoke and everything worked.
>
> However with the engine running I switched off the ALT and the 5A CB in
> the OVP circuit immediately tripped.
>
> I reset and turned the ALT back on and everything operated normally.
>
> Is this supposed to happen?
>
> thanks
>
> Will
>
> William Daniell
> LONGPORT
> +57 310 295 0744
>
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| Subject: | Re: B&C switches |
Bob,
After pondering the wiring diagram you attached, I am also thinking that for my
particular application I would need to use a DPDT type relay, along with a similar
switch (S700-2-1) am I on the right track? The pump motor will operate to
lower or retract the gear via hydraulic actuators, and pump direction is dependent
on polarity, hence the need for the DPDT items.
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: B&C switches |
At 03:03 PM 5/26/2018, you wrote:
<den_beaulieu@yahoo.com>
>
>Bob,
>
>After pondering the wiring diagram you attached,
>I am also thinking that for my particular
>application I would need to use a DPDT type
>relay, along with a similar switch (S700-2-1)
>am I on the right track? The pump motor will
>operate to lower or retract the gear via
>hydraulic actuators, and pump direction is
>dependent on polarity, hence the need for the DPDT items.
>
>Dave
Aha! A bi-directional electro-hydraulic system.
Okay, you need TWO relays. Your wiring looks
like this
https://goo.gl/f6zECm
. . . except your driving a hydraulic pump as
opposed to a flap motor . . . also, you probably
want to order an S700-1-4 (on)-off-(on) switch
from B&C. Spring loaded to the center OFF position.
I'll modify your care-package accordingly.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Is the OVP 5 A CB supposed to trip when I switch |
off the alternator?
=8BSo I take it that it's not supposed to trip?
I have separate switches for the battery and alternator and they do what
they are supposed to. I don't have a diode installed. Is this critical?
ALT and the BATT are connected to the starter contactor as per Z16 (well
actually Z16v shows the buss connected to the battery contractor but it
looks electrically equivalent from the diagram)
So...everything is normal. I can start the engine switch on the loads - I
see the ammeter reacting to the loads, the alternator is charging the
battery and running all the loads. =8B the System is at 12.8V.
I can switch the battery off and all remains the same.
But when I switch the ALT off the OVP trips. The amps go negative while
the ALT is off. I can immediately reset the 5amp CB and switch on the ALT
and everything is goes back to normal.
Could the OVP be reacting to a sudden Volt surge caused by the battery
taking up the loads?
Will
On Sat, May 26, 2018, 15:00 Charlie England <ceengland7@gmail.com> wrote:
> Is the diode installed correctly across the alternator disconnect relay
> coil?
>
> Any chance you got the progressive master/alternator switch wired so the
> alt comes on line 1st, and the system comes up second?
>
> On Sat, May 26, 2018 at 2:25 PM, William Daniell <
> wdaniell.longport@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I started my reformed electrical system today. The system is an exact
>> Z16 with no mods. No exciting sparks or smoke and everything worked.
>>
>> However with the engine running I switched off the ALT and the 5A CB in
>> the OVP circuit immediately tripped.
>>
>> I reset and turned the ALT back on and everything operated normally.
>>
>> Is this supposed to happen?
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> Will
>>
>> William Daniell
>> LONGPORT
>> +57 310 295 0744
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Is the OVP 5 A CB supposed to trip when I switch |
off the alt
No, it should not happen. If the diode that is supposed to be across the alternator
relay coil is missing, there would be a high voltage spike when the switch
is opened, although it would have reverse polarity. I do not know if reverse
polarity would trip the over-voltage protection module or not. The diode could
be defective (open circuit) The banded end of an arc suppression diode
should connect to positive.
--------
Joe Gores
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| Subject: | Re: Is the OVP 5 A CB supposed to trip when I switch |
off the al
Install that missing diode.
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| Subject: | Re: Is the OVP 5 A CB supposed to trip when I switch |
off the alternator?
On 5/26/2018 6:06 PM, William Daniell wrote:
> So I take it that it's not supposed to trip?
>
> I have separate switches for the battery and alternator and they do
> what they are supposed to. I don't have a diode installed. Is this
> critical?
>
> ALT and the BATT are connected to the starter contactor as per Z16
> (well actually Z16v shows the buss connected to the battery contractor
> but it looks electrically equivalent from the diagram)
>
> So...everything is normal. I can start the engine switch on the loads
> - I see the ammeter reacting to the loads, the alternator is charging
> the battery and running all the loads. the System is at 12.8V.
>
> I can switch the battery off and all remains the same.
>
> But when I switch the ALT off the OVP trips. The amps go negative
> while the ALT is off. I can immediately reset the 5amp CB and switch
> on the ALT and everything is goes back to normal.
>
> Could the OVP be reacting to a sudden Volt surge caused by the battery
> taking up the loads?
>
> Will
>
>
> On Sat, May 26, 2018, 15:00 Charlie England <ceengland7@gmail.com
> <mailto:ceengland7@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Is the diode installed correctly across the alternator disconnect
> relay coil?
>
> Any chance you got the progressive master/alternator switch wired
> so the alt comes on line 1st, and the system comes up second?
>
> On Sat, May 26, 2018 at 2:25 PM, William Daniell
> <wdaniell.longport@gmail.com <mailto:wdaniell.longport@gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> I started my reformed electrical system today. The system is
> an exact Z16 with no mods. No exciting sparks or smoke and
> everything worked.
>
> However with the engine running I switched off the ALT and the
> 5A CB in the OVP circuit immediately tripped.
>
> I reset and turned the ALT back on and everything operated
> normally.
>
> Is this supposed to happen?
>
> thanks
>
> Will
>
> William Daniell
> LONGPORT
> +57 310 295 0744
>
>
So, it's *not* wired exactly like Z-16? ;-)
Let's do some circuit analysis.
Follow the wiring diagram: bus>fuselink>CB>switch contacts<[OV module,
relay coil, and diode (missing in your plane), all three in parallel to
ground].
So if you turn off the alternator section of the switch, the only thing
connected to the OV module is the relay coil. (Remember, you're missing
the diode.) So, two issues. First, ask yourself where the excess voltage
could be coming from, that the OV module is seeing. Next, ask yourself
how the OV module can trip the CB, since the switch contacts connecting
the CB to the OV module are open, breaking the current path from the
bus, through the CB to OV module.
I suspect you have multiple wiring issues, one of which is the missing
diode.
Charlie
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| Subject: | Re: Is the OVP 5 A CB supposed to trip when I switch |
off the alternator?
Joe... Charlie thanks. Ill try that.
And umm no not exactly z16....:-(
William Daniell
LONGPORT
+57 310 295 0744
On Sat, May 26, 2018, 18:55 Charlie England <ceengland7@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 5/26/2018 6:06 PM, William Daniell wrote:
>
> =8BSo I take it that it's not supposed to trip?
>
> I have separate switches for the battery and alternator and they do what
> they are supposed to. I don't have a diode installed. Is this critical
?
>
> ALT and the BATT are connected to the starter contactor as per Z16 (well
> actually Z16v shows the buss connected to the battery contractor but it
> looks electrically equivalent from the diagram)
>
> So...everything is normal. I can start the engine switch on the loads -
I
> see the ammeter reacting to the loads, the alternator is charging the
> battery and running all the loads. =8B the System is at 12.8V.
>
> I can switch the battery off and all remains the same.
>
> But when I switch the ALT off the OVP trips. The amps go negative while
> the ALT is off. I can immediately reset the 5amp CB and switch on the AL
T
> and everything is goes back to normal.
>
> Could the OVP be reacting to a sudden Volt surge caused by the battery
> taking up the loads?
>
> Will
>
>
> On Sat, May 26, 2018, 15:00 Charlie England <ceengland7@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Is the diode installed correctly across the alternator disconnect relay
>> coil?
>>
>> Any chance you got the progressive master/alternator switch wired so the
>> alt comes on line 1st, and the system comes up second?
>>
>> On Sat, May 26, 2018 at 2:25 PM, William Daniell <
>> wdaniell.longport@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I started my reformed electrical system today. The system is an exact
>>> Z16 with no mods. No exciting sparks or smoke and everything worked.
>>>
>>> However with the engine running I switched off the ALT and the 5A CB in
>>> the OVP circuit immediately tripped.
>>>
>>> I reset and turned the ALT back on and everything operated normally.
>>>
>>> Is this supposed to happen?
>>>
>>> thanks
>>>
>>> Will
>>>
>>> William Daniell
>>> LONGPORT
>>> +57 310 295 0744
>>>
>>
>> So, it's *not* wired exactly like Z-16? ;-)
>
> Let's do some circuit analysis.
>
> Follow the wiring diagram: bus>fuselink>CB>switch contacts<[OV module,
> relay coil, and diode (missing in your plane), all three in parallel to
> ground].
>
> So if you turn off the alternator section of the switch, the only thing
> connected to the OV module is the relay coil. (Remember, you're missing t
he
> diode.) So, two issues. First, ask yourself where the excess voltage coul
d
> be coming from, that the OV module is seeing. Next, ask yourself how the
OV
> module can trip the CB, since the switch contacts connecting the CB to th
e
> OV module are open, breaking the current path from the bus, through the C
B
> to OV module.
>
> I suspect you have multiple wiring issues, one of which is the missing
> diode.
>
> Charlie
>
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| Subject: | Re: Is the OVP 5 A CB supposed to trip when I switch |
off the alternator?
At 06:06 PM 5/26/2018, you wrote:
>=8BSo I take it that it's not supposed to trip?
>
>I have separate switches for the battery and
>alternator and they do what they are supposed
>to.=C2 =C2 I don't have a diode installed.=C2 Is this critical?
So Z16 has been modified . . .
>ALT and the BATT are connected to the starter
>contactor as per Z16 (well actually Z16v shows
>the buss connected to the battery contractor but
>it looks electrically equivalent from the diagram)
>
>So...everything is normal.=C2 I can start the
>engine switch on the loads - I see the ammeter
>reacting to the loads, the alternator is
>charging the battery and running all the loads. =8B=C2 =C2 the
System is at 12.8V.
>
>I can switch the battery off and all remains the same.
>
>But when I switch the ALT off the OVP
>trips.=C2 The amps go negative while the ALT is
>off.=C2 I can immediately reset the 5amp CB and
>switch on the ALT and everything is goes back to normal.
>
>Could the OVP be reacting to a sudden Volt surge
>caused by the battery taking up the loads?
Wire per Z16 with 700-2-10, progressive transfer
switch . . . battery should not be OFF
with alternator ON . . . the wiring shown
in Z16 mirrors the legacy switching protocols
adopted for TC aircraft about 50 years ago.
Bob . . .
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