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1. 02:06 AM - Ground and ground loops (Achille)
2. 05:40 AM - Re: B&C switches (blues750)
3. 05:46 AM - Re: B&C switches (blues750)
4. 05:47 AM - Re: Ground and ground loops (user9253)
5. 05:50 AM - Re: B&C switches (user9253)
6. 07:25 AM - Re: Ground and ground loops (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
7. 08:38 AM - Re: Ground and ground loops (Achille)
8. 08:57 AM - Re: Alarm souder with multiple sources (Achille)
9. 04:22 PM - Netgear 1010 Powerline Adapter Feedback (William Hunter)
10. 04:31 PM - Conduit Pass Through Question (William Hunter)
11. 05:24 PM - Re: Conduit Pass Through Question (Charlie England)
12. 05:30 PM - Re: Conduit Pass Through Question (user9253)
13. 07:13 PM - Re: Re: Conduit Pass Through Question (William Hunter)
14. 11:01 PM - Official AeroElectric-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
15. 11:26 PM - Official AeroElectric-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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Subject: | Ground and ground loops |
Good morning,
I send a message about ground loops and ground, I let my electrical system without
finishing my work on it since months due to winter and other things.
Yesterday I decided to finish it because it's the only things that I have to do
to fly. And months without working on it let me a bit confuse, even if I had
diagram that is close to Z19 from Bob book, but for a wooden canard plane.
- My first question that I have it's about my ground on the alternator.
On my drawing I wrote that I have a ground close to the battery on the forward
side of the plane. (batery on the nose, and ground with B&C ground plate) and
another ground spot on the engine side connected to the first via the 2awg ground
for the starter.
My alternator is screwed on the engine. If I set a 8 AWG wire from his ground
terminal to the engine ground I will have a ground loop right ? (so I let it without
ground wire ?)
Also on my plane I was thinking that my 2awg starter ground will pickup all my
ground that I have on the aft part of the plane. I wanted to set a bras plate
bolt on the ground alternator screw were my 2 AWG starter but It looked like not
mecanicaly good, so I set this ground on engine bolt encoutered around.
It's bad right ? (All my work during month reading the book to do a "good" electrical
systeme are loosed on this " engine case bolt ground" ?
Thank you in advance to help me.
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Subject: | Re: B&C switches |
[i][i]
nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelect wrote:
> At 08:20 PM 5/31/2018, you wrote:
>
> >
> > OK, have reviewed the new drawing (thank you Bob... :D )...but have a couple
more questions I am pondering regarding implementation.
> >
> > (1) From my power source to the relay terminals (87). I would like to run
a single 12 ga wire from the front of the aircraft where the ANL holder will
be located and make a "Y" once I get near the relays for connection to each relay
87 terminal. Best way to fashion the "Y" ? My experience so far seems to
say I cannot do a double wire splice/crimp with 12 AWG in a yellow connector.
Similarly I would be doing the same thing with the gnd terminals (87A) so I
could run a single ground wire forward to my firewall ground. So my question
is how best to join two 12 AWG wires to a single 12AWG wire to fashion a "Y".
I do have solder sleeves big enough...if that is acceptable? Open to any other
ideas.
>
> [i] How about mounting the relays as close to the ANL30
> as practical and simply run two wires to the motor?
> Mounting the relays close to battery contactor makes
> all the wires on the ship-side really short.
>
> The reason I took both 12AWG tot he ANL30 was for
> that same reason . . . two terminals on one stud.
> >
> >
> > I agree, this seems like the best way to do this - everything close to the
firewall and only two wires aft to the pump
> >
> >
> > (2) What is the electrical symbology between the relay terminals (30) to the
motor - best I can ref is some sort of light indicator?
> >
> > (3) OK to crimp the diode leads in with the 22AWG terminals?
>
> Hmmmm good question. I was going to send
> you pre-wired sockets to mate with the
> relays. You would splice ship's wireing
> to those flying leads. A soldered lap-splice under
> heat shrink is fine . . . but makes it tough
> to install diodes.
>
> Here's an alternative: https://goo.gl/QTT74j (https://goo.gl/QTT74j)
>
> This shows an S704 with recessed tabs where
> the pre-wired socket doesn't work.
>
> The relays I have ar like this:
>
> [img]cid:.0[/img]
>
> Since you need to apply your own terminals
> to the coils so you can add diodes, perhaps
> the sockets are more bother than asset. Let's
> go with taking ship's wires to the tabs with
> your own terminals. ---- Easily done
>
>
>
> Another question: What's the plan-b for getting
> gear down if your power is down or the motor
> craps or a relay goes toast?
>
> The alternate plan is to take the aircraft to the water if gear is stuck up and
if anything but full up then take it to the grass or asphalt. That's probably
why a lot of Alaskan amphibs have manual pumps. [Wink] [Wink] A small manual
hydraulic pump may eventually replace the electric pump, but cockpit ergonomics
are an issue which I haven't worked out yet.[/b]
>
> Bob . . .
Thanks for the dialog and insight Bob! Will advise when in receipt of the "care
package"
Dave...
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Subject: | Re: B&C switches |
user9253 wrote:
> I could not find that symbol in this pdf:
> https://www.noao.edu/ets/Mechanical/Policies/ANSI%20Y32.2-1975.pdf
> My guess is that it is a splice.
Thanks Joe, that makes sense!! Funny how things are usually clearer after a good
night's sleep...
Dave
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Subject: | Re: Ground and ground loops |
> If I set a 8 AWG wire from his ground terminal to the engine ground I will have
a ground loop right ?
I would install that alternator ground wire.
The engine ground bolt should be fine.
Ground loops are more of a concern for avionics and audio. Grounding them at a
single point is good.
Consider using an EFIS instead of round gauges.
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Subject: | Re: B&C switches |
> Funny how things are usually clearer after a good night's sleep...
Sitting on the toilet for a few minutes helps me solve problems. LOL
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Subject: | Re: Ground and ground loops |
At 04:05 AM 6/1/2018, you wrote:
>
>Good morning,
>
>I send a message about ground loops and ground, I let my electrical
>system without finishing my work on it since months due to winter
>and other things.
>
>Yesterday I decided to finish it because it's the only things that I
>have to do to fly. And months without working on it let me a bit
>confuse, even if I had diagram that is close to Z19 from Bob book,
>but for a wooden canard plane.
>
>- My first question that I have it's about my ground on the alternator.
>
>On my drawing I wrote that I have a ground close to the battery on
>the forward side of the plane. (batery on the nose, and ground with
>B&C ground plate) and another ground spot on the engine side
>connected to the first via the 2awg ground for the starter.
> My alternator is screwed on the engine. If I set a 8 AWG wire from
> his ground terminal to the engine ground I will have a ground loop
> right ? (so I let it without ground wire ?)
Alternators automatically ground by virtue of
their metallic mounts to the engine. No additional
attention necessary.
>Also on my plane I was thinking that my 2awg starter ground will
>pickup all my ground that I have on the aft part of the plane. I
>wanted to set a bras plate bolt on the ground alternator screw were
>my 2 AWG starter but It looked like not mecanicaly good, so I set
>this ground on engine bolt encoutered around.
>
>It's bad right ? (All my work during month reading the book to do a
>"good" electrical systeme are loosed on this " engine case bolt ground"
Is this a canard pusher? Check out this ground system
architecture
https://goo.gl/9PELRS
Think of your ground system as a 'star' centered on the
B&C Ground Block bolt. You need a starter current rated
jumper (2AWG certainly adequate) from a good crankcase
attach point to the ground block bolt.
You need a jumper from battery(-) to the ground block
bolt.
All other 'stuff' grounds at the block with wires
of same AWG as the power feeder.
Exception: All panel mounted electro-whizzies get
their own 'star' system.
Exceptions: Any avionics shields that show ground
symbols should ground locally to their associated
black box . . . do not extend shield grounds down
to the B&C Ground Bus.
Bob . . .
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Subject: | Re: Ground and ground loops |
Many thanks Joe and Bob for you reply.
I am reading again the book and it refresh my "knowledge" very well.
So I will let my alternator WHITOUT ground wire if I understand well;
My engine case couldn't substitute the firewall ground buse ? (I tell that because
I already set ground on it.... Thing that I would like to avoid since.. yeasterday.
[Rolling Eyes] [Rolling Eyes] [Rolling Eyes]
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Subject: | Re: Alarm souder with multiple sources |
Thank for your reply andy, i did not see it.
I was thinking about more easy and simply gadget. Just with buzzer and led.
I have done a drawing for my 3 systems alarm to begin, now I have to set it in
a more conventional way. (to do not have 3 sounder, and 3 switch to mute them)
- Starter still engage
- Oil press low
- Sounder from my low/high voltage "idiot light" (has an option to wire a buzzer)
I was thinking to use simply diode in each entry and the only one switch/led/sounder
? But it's not my best matter electronic. Mainly to set it on a plane, don't
want to do a mistake.
I anyone have an idea... or advice. [Wink]
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Subject: | Netgear 1010 Powerline Adapter Feedback |
I just today received and installed these Netgear Powerline 1010 internet
extenders:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01929V7ZG/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie
=UTF8
<https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01929V7ZG/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?i
e=UTF8&psc=1> &psc=1
NOTE: the come in a "wired" and "wireless" options and make sure you select
the wireless if you want to have WIFI in the remote location.
The instructions are HORRIBLE and the person who wrote the instructions
should be required to setup a system based on using their instructions and
then they will realize how stupid they actually are.
So here was the scenario: I have a DSL modem/ WIFI router (in one convenient
plastic case) and it has a black box power cord that plugs into the wall
making heat and using electricity. If my house was small that would be the
singular solution however my house is large...and...it also has the steel
outbuilding (hangar/workshop) 50 feet away. The outbuilding is on the same
power supply (downstream of the meter) as the house.
So I thought "great"...buy one BASE unit (plug looking box that does not
have a WIFI antenna) and connect that to my existing router using the CAT 5
cable and then that box will digitize the internet signal and then use the
house copper wires as the wired connection to transmit the internet signal
to the far end of the house. Then I will plug in the "WIFI ACCESS POINT"
(plug looking box with the antenna) to grab the internet signal from the
house coper wires and then transmit WIFI to that part of the house. I would
also use an additional WIFI ACCESS POINT and plug that into a socket in the
master bedroom, and then use a third WIFI access point out in the shop.
So I need one BASE unit and three WIFI ACCESS POINTS .check.
HOWEVER.Netgear only sells these things in bundles (one BASE unit and one
WIFI EXTENDER) and they do NOT sell the WIFI EXTENDERS separately!!! So I am
stuck having to buy THREE bundles and toss out the two unneeded BASE units
(or buy two bundles PLUS a separate WIFI router then that router will have
cables and wasted electricity.
Good thing these things come in bundles because one BASE unit did not work
so I tossed it out and grabbed another unused one (was already in the
garbage can because I thought I did not need it) and connected it up and
synced the units and it worked.
I used Speedtest to conduct two download tests of my Duraspeed WIFI router
to set a benchmark and then with each of the Netgear WIFI units up and
running and located in the exact same room as the Duraspeed and at the same
distance I ran two speed tests of each Netgear WIFI unit.
Then I took the Netgear WIFI units out to the outbuilding and conducted two
tests of each unit and to ensure reliable comparison I made sure my laptop
was the same distance away from each unit when conducting the test and I
also used the exact same wall outlet for each unit.
Ping Download Upload
Duraspeed DSL Modem/WIFI Router
26 11.68 1.24
80 12.00 1.49
Netgear 18 In House
31 11.96 1.52
38 12.09 1.50
Netgear 18 In Outbuilding
33 12.09 1.50
131 12.26 1.50
Netgear 68 In House
21 11.79 1.47
87 3.14 1.51
Netgear 68 In Outbuilding
32 8.31 1.50
Second test stalled
Third test stalled
27 12.48 1.50
Well.it seems to be working now.I will report back if there are any more
issues.
..
Cheers!!!
Bill Hunter
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Subject: | Conduit Pass Through Question |
Dear Knower Of All Things That Dewlleth Within My Computer,
I am installing an evaporative cooler in my steel building hangar
because it
is getting kinda toasty here in Western Arizona=85but hey=85It=92s a dry
heat?!?!/
So I am running =BD inch steel conduit for the 220V wire and =BD inch
PVC for
the water line and I need to get these two aforementioned pipes from the
inside of the hangar to the outside where the new totally cool
evaporative
cooler is being installed.
For those who have done this kind of work before, can you PLEASE direct
me
to a bushing that can be inserted into the sheet metal steel wall and
then I
can slide the conduits through that bushing=85OR=85if there is a better
way then
I would be happy to hear it.
I have researched The Google to no avail=85it did have hundred dollar
firewall
pass through units but no such economical bushings.
..
Cheers!!!
Bill Hunter
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Subject: | Re: Conduit Pass Through Question |
On 6/1/2018 6:30 PM, William Hunter wrote:
>
> Dear Knower Of All Things That Dewlleth Within My Computer,
>
> I am installing an evaporative cooler in my steel building hangar
> because it is getting kinda toasty here in Western Arizonabut
> heyIts a dry heat?!?!/
>
> So I am running inch steel conduit for the 220V wire and inch PVC
> for the water line and I need to get these two aforementioned pipes
> from the inside of the hangar to the outside where the new totally
> cool evaporative cooler is being installed.
>
> For those who have done this kind of work before, can you PLEASE
> direct me to a bushing that can be inserted into the sheet metal steel
> wall and then I can slide the conduits through that bushingORif
> there is a better way then I would be happy to hear it.
>
> I have researched The Google to no availit did have hundred dollar
> firewall pass through units but no such economical bushings.
>
> ..
>
> Cheers!!!
>
> Bill Hunter
>
Well first, I wouldn't use steel conduit; I'd use PVC electrical conduit
(the gray stuff). Won't rust & doesn't UV degrade. Much easier to work
with, unless you have all the required electrician's tools.
For the electrical pass-through, 'LB' conduit fittings are one common
way to do it.
https://www.google.com/search?q=lb+conduit+fitting&oq=lb+conduit+fitting&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.12062j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
If you feel you must have a watertight seal, you can caulk around the
hole in the siding.
For water, I'd just have to guess. How about something like this?
https://www.amazon.com/Cable-eLander-Plastic-Waterproof-Adjustable/dp/B01ICZAJL4/ref=sr_1_11_sspa?ie=UTF8&qid=1527898277&sr=8-11-spons&keywords=npt+bulkhead+fitting&psc=1
Buy a size that will accept your PVC pipe & run a section of pipe
through it. Use PVC couplers on both ends. I guess you could do the same
thing with the electrical, now that I think about it.
Hope that gives you some ideas,
Charlie
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Subject: | Re: Conduit Pass Through Question |
One possibility is to use a "threaded bushed nipple" large enough for the conduit
to pass through. A conduit-lock-nut will hold the bushed nipple in place.
Bushed nipples are threaded on the outside and smooth on the inside. Search Google
for "threaded bushed nipple".
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Subject: | Re: Conduit Pass Through Question |
Joe and Charlie,
As always I know I could count on you!
For the water I think I'm going to go with the bushing that was pointed out
.
For the electricity I think I'm going to go with the 90 degree conduit
"pull through" with a threaded end and that will go from the inside of the
hanger through the metal wall to the outside
On the outside I will install a powder coated, grey, weatherproof box and
from that box I will use the coil conduit to run the wires to the unit
itself
Thanks again
Bill Hunter
On Fri, Jun 1, 2018, 17:34 user9253 <fransew@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> One possibility is to use a "threaded bushed nipple" large enough for the
> conduit to pass through. A conduit-lock-nut will hold the bushed nipple in
> place.
> Bushed nipples are threaded on the outside and smooth on the inside.
> Search Google for "threaded bushed nipple".
>
> --------
> Joe Gores
>
>
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can more easily handled.
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in PKZIP format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
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in
UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
Download Via FTP
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a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.)
ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives
Download Via Web
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Failure to use the AeroElectric-List in the manner described below may result
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Subject: | Official AeroElectric-List Usage Guidelines |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the AeroElectric-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
AeroElectric-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/AeroElectric-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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AeroElectric-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the AeroElectric-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the AeroElectric-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
AeroElectric-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the AeroElectric-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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