---------------------------------------------------------- AeroElectric-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 06/14/18: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:19 AM - Re: Rotax Charging System (user9253) 2. 05:08 AM - COIL INRUSH CURRENT (user9253) 3. 05:30 AM - Re: Re: Ducati Regulator (too little load) (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 4. 05:51 AM - Re: COIL INRUSH CURRENT (Charles Davis) 5. 06:55 AM - Re: COIL INRUSH CURRENT (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 6. 07:04 AM - Re: COIL INRUSH CURRENT (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 7. 07:25 AM - Re: COIL INRUSH CURRENT (C&K) 8. 07:43 AM - Removing Pins from High Density D-Sub Connector (Art Zemon) 9. 07:49 AM - Re: Removing Pins from High Density D-Sub Connector (Roger Curtis) 10. 08:29 AM - Re: Removing Pins from High Density D-Sub Connector (Tim Olson) 11. 08:51 AM - Re: Removing Pins from High Density D-Sub Connector (Charlie England) 12. 08:53 AM - Re: Removing Pins from High Density D-Sub Connector (Carlos Trigo) 13. 09:19 AM - Re: Removing Pins from High Density D-Sub Connector (William Hunter) 14. 09:43 AM - Re: Removing Pins from High Density D-Sub Connector (Carlos Trigo) 15. 12:39 PM - Re: Removing Pins from High Density D-Sub Connector (Ernest Christley) 16. 07:37 PM - Re: Re: B&C switches (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:19:14 AM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Rotax Charging System From: "user9253" Even if the battery is disconnected, I do not think that the capacitor does much good. When my PC680 failed open, the alternator voltage was unstable. However, Rotax documentation calls for a capacitor. It is best to follow manufacturer's instructions. They might know something that I don't. > As long as you have a battery on line, > the capacitor serves no demonstrable purpose. -------- Joe Gores Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=480875#480875 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:08:36 AM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: COIL INRUSH CURRENT From: "user9253" Below is a quote from a VansAirforce post. Why is the inrush current higher than steady state current? Inductors oppose any change in current. Why doesn't that opposition limit the inrush current? I am not questioning the accuracy of the measurements, just trying to understand the laws of physics. > All of this is for the four-post starter solenoid (ACS 11-03162): > Without flyback diode: -510V peak pulse > Current through flyback diode: 6.3A decaying over about 40 ms > Coil inrush current: 7.3A > Coil steady state current: 3.6A -------- Joe Gores Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=480876#480876 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:30:37 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Ducati Regulator (too little load) At 11:55 PM 6/12/2018, you wrote: >At 07:18 PM 6/12/2018, you wrote: > >Agreed. Some regulators regulate by adding a parallel resistance to >short out excess current. > > nobody does that any more . . . VERY inefficient. Hmmmm . . . seems I was half right. The shunt regulator is horribly inefficient but no . . . there ARE some individuals pursuing the shunt style regulation topology. For example, I found this article out there on the web: https://goo.gl/ofvHSe It took a bit to noodle through the functionality of this design. If one studies the wiring of the bridge rectifiers, you see that they are set up to be classic, three phase rectifiers essentially UNCONTROLLED. This means that if the SCR's were left out of the circuit, the alternator's three phase output is simply rectified and pumped directly to the bus. The ONLY time an SCR would be capable of conducting current is during the OFF or reverse-voltage interval on the companion rectifier leg. Any time the SCR is in conduction, there is a SHORT across the windings of the alternator . . . How to make a reliable motorcycle voltage regulator Note the boss-hog heat sink recommended in this design. As long as system demands are a substantial percentage of the alternator's output, the ON- time for SCRs is low. But during normal ops with low system loads, the SCRs will be working hard . . . as will the alternator. One could argue that this design is thermally robust and may indeed last longer than the stock or aftermarket devices tried . . . but as noted elsewhere in this thread, beefing up the 'weakest link' in the chain may well move the failure to some other component in the system. Not sure that the first and follow-on authors of the DIY thread will report their long term experiences with alternator failures . . . and who knows, maybe the heat rejection profile of the alternator is robust enough to handle this mode of operation. I have to believe that there must be SOME off-the-shelf designs out there that subscribe to the shunt regulation philosophy. As seen above, it's hard to beat the simplicity! So I'll walk back my earlier assertion but with a sense of . . . well . . . don't need to go there. We do know that the Ducatti design is not a 'shunt regulation' topology . . . Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:51:40 AM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: COIL INRUSH CURRENT From: Charles Davis From what I understand, once there is an iron core inside the coil, the current through the coil will decrease, if the coil is energised for a longish period without the iron, it will overheat - have seen this many times with solenoids controlling gas in refrigeration systems where the coil housing melts to destruction if not fitted onto the solenoid properly Charles On 14-Jun-18 2:08 PM, user9253 wrote: > > Below is a quote from a VansAirforce post. Why is the inrush current higher than steady state current? Inductors oppose any change in current. Why doesn't that opposition limit the inrush current? I am not questioning the accuracy of the measurements, just trying to understand the laws of physics. > >> All of this is for the four-post starter solenoid (ACS 11-03162): >> Without flyback diode: -510V peak pulse >> Current through flyback diode: 6.3A decaying over about 40 ms >> Coil inrush current: 7.3A >> Coil steady state current: 3.6A > > -------- > Joe Gores > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=480876#480876 > > --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:55:51 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: COIL INRUSH CURRENT At 07:08 AM 6/14/2018, you wrote: > >Below is a quote from a VansAirforce post. Why is the inrush >current higher than steady state current? Inductors oppose any >change in current. Why doesn't that opposition limit the inrush >current? I am not questioning the accuracy of the measurements, >just trying to understand the laws of physics. > > > All of this is for the four-post starter solenoid (ACS 11-03162): > > Without flyback diode: -510V peak pulse > > Current through flyback diode: 6.3A decaying over about 40 ms > > Coil inrush current: 7.3A > > Coil steady state current: 3.6A It's probably vagaries of semantics and test setup. This is why it's important to publish schematics of test setups, screen shots of traces and showing all the steps in the math. We KNOW that unlike the charging profile for a capacitor (infinite onset current flow) the inductor has a zero onset current flow. The begs explanation for the author's definition of 'inrush' current. I'm guessing that the 7.3A figure was measured at the greatest stabilized current observed after application of power. This would be the t=L/R plot coming asymptotic to I=E/R several time constants after switch closure. Not what we normally refer to as inrush current. I'm guessing that the 'steady state' value is due to coil heating up after an extended period of power on. Here's what the numbers look like for a continuous duty battery contactor: https://goo.gl/gvX4mu https://goo.gl/cpzthL The starter contactor may well present a higher ratio of cold to hot because it's an intermittent duty device suffering a greater copper temperature rise than the battery contactor. The 6.3A figure for diode current is probably taken after a short but stabilized contactor coil current of that same value. The initial discharge of a capacitor is the same as the voltage to which the capacitor is charged. Discharge of the inductor yields and initial current flow equal to that which was flowing in the inductor . . . i.e. the contactor was de=energized at 6.3A. Hence catch diode current would peak at 6.3A and decay along the t=L/R plot. Without seeing the test setup and plots, it's just guessing . . . Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:04:22 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: COIL INRUSH CURRENT At 07:50 AM 6/14/2018, you wrote: > > > From what I understand, once there is an iron core inside the coil, > the current through the coil will decrease, if the coil is > energised for a longish period without the iron, it will overheat - > have seen this many times with solenoids controlling gas in > refrigeration systems where the coil housing melts to destruction > if not fitted onto the solenoid properly Adding a core material does INCREASE the inductance of a coil. The time constant for charging an inductance is t(seconds) L(henries)/R(ohms). Adding the core increases L but the resistance is unchanged. Hence, t= goes up. I.e. time to charge the coil is longer. Keep in mind that the values of t are on the order of tens of milliseconds. Heating is purely a function of the DC resistance of the coil and the applied voltage which has nothing to do with the magnitude of inductance. The time constant for heating is about 1000 times longer than for current rise. I.e. measured in minutes. The classic definition of 'inrush' is that current which flows the instant power is applied to the device. For capacitors, inrush is very large, for inductors it is zero. Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:25:19 AM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: COIL INRUSH CURRENT From: C&K If we are thinking of similar "longish periods" perhaps the iron core is just conducting heat away perhaps assisted by the refrigerant flow. Ken On 14/06/2018 8:50 AM, Charles Davis wrote: > > > From what I understand, once there is an iron core inside the coil, > the current through the coil will decrease, if the coil is energised > for a longish period without the iron, it will overheat - have seen > this many times with solenoids controlling gas in refrigeration > systems where the coil housing melts to destruction if not fitted onto > the solenoid properly > > Charles > > > On 14-Jun-18 2:08 PM, user9253 wrote: >> >> Below is a quote from a VansAirforce post. Why is the inrush current >> higher than steady state current? Inductors oppose any change in >> current. Why doesn't that opposition limit the inrush current? I am >> not questioning the accuracy of the measurements, just trying to >> understand the laws of physics. >> >>> All of this is for the four-post starter solenoid (ACS 11-03162): >>> Without flyback diode: -510V peak pulse >>> Current through flyback diode: 6.3A decaying over about 40 ms >>> Coil inrush current: 7.3A >>> Coil steady state current: 3.6A >> >> -------- >> Joe Gores >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=480876#480876 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > https://www.avg.com > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:43:15 AM PST US From: Art Zemon Subject: AeroElectric-List: Removing Pins from High Density D-Sub Connector Folks, It's not my fault... I'm sure that the pins moved by themselves in the middle of the night... but some of the pins in my high density D-Sub connector are in the wrong places. I have the right tool: https://www.steinair.com/product/insertionremoval-tool-for-high-density-d-sub-pins-mil-spec/ I have successfully removed regular density pins from DB-25 connectors. These darned high-density pins refuse to come loose. Before I make things worse, do you have any suggestions? -- Art Z. -- https://CheerfulCurmudgeon.com/ *"We do not see the world as it is. We see the world as we are."* ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:49:35 AM PST US Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Removing Pins from High Density D-Sub Connector From: Roger Curtis CiAgICAKQXJ0LCBJIGFzc3VtZSB5b3UgYXJlIHVzaW5nIHRoZSBjb3JyZWN0IHRvb2wgc2luY2Ug dGhlIGhpZ2gtZGVuc2l0eSBhbmQgcmVndWxhciBEIGNvbm5lY3RvciB1c2UgZGlmZmVyZW50IHRv b2xzCgoKU2VudCBmcm9tIG15IFZlcml6b24gV2lyZWxlc3MgNEcgTFRFIHNtYXJ0cGhvbmUKCi0t LS0tLS0tIE9yaWdpbmFsIG1lc3NhZ2UgLS0tLS0tLS0KRnJvbTogQXJ0IFplbW9uIDxhcnRAemVt b24ubmFtZT4gCkRhdGU6IDA2LzE0LzIwMTggIDEwOjQyICAoR01ULTA1OjAwKSAKVG86IGFlcm9l bGVjdHJpYy1saXN0QG1hdHJvbmljcy5jb20gClN1YmplY3Q6IEFlcm9FbGVjdHJpYy1MaXN0OiBS ZW1vdmluZyBQaW5zIGZyb20gSGlnaCBEZW5zaXR5IEQtU3ViIENvbm5lY3RvciAKCkZvbGtzLApJ dCdzIG5vdCBteSBmYXVsdC4uLiBJJ20gc3VyZSB0aGF0IHRoZSBwaW5zIG1vdmVkIGJ5IHRoZW1z ZWx2ZXMgaW4gdGhlIG1pZGRsZSBvZiB0aGUgbmlnaHQuLi4gYnV0IHNvbWUgb2YgdGhlIHBpbnMg aW4gbXkgaGlnaCBkZW5zaXR5IEQtU3ViIGNvbm5lY3RvciBhcmUgaW4gdGhlIHdyb25nIHBsYWNl cy4KSSBoYXZlIHRoZSByaWdodCB0b29sOsKgaHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuc3RlaW5haXIuY29tL3Byb2R1 Y3QvaW5zZXJ0aW9ucmVtb3ZhbC10b29sLWZvci1oaWdoLWRlbnNpdHktZC1zdWItcGlucy1taWwt c3BlYy9JIGhhdmUgc3VjY2Vzc2Z1bGx5IHJlbW92ZWQgcmVndWxhciBkZW5zaXR5IHBpbnMgZnJv bSBEQi0yNSBjb25uZWN0b3JzLsKgVGhlc2UgZGFybmVkIGhpZ2gtZGVuc2l0eSBwaW5zIHJlZnVz ZSB0byBjb21lIGxvb3NlLgpCZWZvcmUgSSBtYWtlIHRoaW5ncyB3b3JzZSwgZG8geW91IGhhdmUg YW55IHN1Z2dlc3Rpb25zPwrCoCDCoCAtLSBBcnQgWi4KLS0gCmh0dHBzOi8vQ2hlZXJmdWxDdXJt dWRnZW9uLmNvbS8KCiJXZSBkbyBub3Qgc2VlIHRoZSB3b3JsZCBhcyBpdCBpcy4gV2Ugc2VlIHRo ZSB3b3JsZCBhcyB3ZSBhcmUuIgoK ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:29:52 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Removing Pins from High Density D-Sub Connector My advice is to buy multiples of the tool and in multiple versions. I have m etal and plastic versions and have about 3 of each because they are so easy t o wreck. The process works the same as standard pins and I know of no trick other than to try the other version of tool. Tim > On Jun 14, 2018, at 10:49 AM, Roger Curtis wrote: > > Art, I assume you are using the correct tool since the high-density and re gular D connector use different tools > > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Art Zemon > Date: 06/14/2018 10:42 (GMT-05:00) > To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > Subject: AeroElectric-List: Removing Pins from High Density D-Sub Connecto r > > Folks, > > It's not my fault... I'm sure that the pins moved by themselves in the mid dle of the night... but some of the pins in my high density D-Sub connector a re in the wrong places. > > I have the right tool: https://www.steinair.com/product/insertionremoval-t ool-for-high-density-d-sub-pins-mil-spec/ > I have successfully removed regular density pins from DB-25 connectors. > These darned high-density pins refuse to come loose. > > Before I make things worse, do you have any suggestions? > > -- Art Z. > > -- > https://CheerfulCurmudgeon.com/ > > "We do not see the world as it is. We see the world as we are." ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:51:56 AM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Removing Pins from High Density D-Sub Connector From: Charlie England Yeah, it kinda comes down to 'holding your mouth right'. :-) Instructions on extractor use are virtually non-existent. On the rare occasions I've had to use one, it takes me about 15 minutes to get everything right & get the pin out. Then I forget what I did before the next time I need to extract one. As nearly as I can tell, the goal is for the tool to push back the little retainer 'burr' while the pin slides past. Problem is, the pin can't get past the tool (same diameter). And if you have the bad luck to insert the tool where the slot is over the 'burr', nothing works. What I try is to push the tool in as deep as it will go, and while holding it in, pull back slightly on the wire. Then grab the wire and tool with a pair of needle nose pliers & pull. If it doesn't work, I rotate the tool a quarter to 1/2 turn, and repeat. Charlie On 6/14/2018 10:10 AM, Tim Olson wrote: > My advice is to buy multiples of the tool and in multiple versions. I > have metal and plastic versions and have about 3 of each because they > are so easy to wreck. The process works the same as standard pins and > I know of no trick other than to try the other version of tool. > Tim > > On Jun 14, 2018, at 10:49 AM, Roger Curtis > wrote: > >> Art, I assume you are using the correct tool since the high-density >> and regular D connector use different tools >> >> >> >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone >> >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: Art Zemon > >> Date: 06/14/2018 10:42 (GMT-05:00) >> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com >> >> Subject: AeroElectric-List: Removing Pins from High Density D-Sub >> Connector >> >> Folks, >> >> It's not my fault... I'm sure that the pins moved by themselves in >> the middle of the night... but some of the pins in my high density >> D-Sub connector are in the wrong places. >> >> I have the right tool: >> https://www.steinair.com/product/insertionremoval-tool-for-high-density-d-sub-pins-mil-spec/ >> I have successfully removed regular density pins from DB-25 connectors. >> These darned high-density pins refuse to come loose. >> >> Before I make things worse, do you have any suggestions? >> >> -- Art Z. >> >> -- >> https://CheerfulCurmudgeon.com/ >> >> /"We do not see the world as it is. We see the world as we are."/ --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:53:22 AM PST US From: Carlos Trigo Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Removing Pins from High Density D-Sub Connector Art Don=99t punish yourself because this is a real PIAxx task to achieve. I have ruined several of those tools myself. Never mind the plastic ones, they are useless! Use the metal ones, and do it very patiently... You have to involve the wire before inserting the tool to the pin, and then i nsert it all the way down, very carefully. Only pull the tool when you manage to insert it to reach the bottom of the h ole. In some cases, I even had to push the male pin from the other side of the Ds ub connector. Patience and mild perseverance are the secrets! Cheers Carlos Enviado do meu iPhone No dia 14/06/2018, =C3-s 15:42, Art Zemon escreveu: > Folks, > > It's not my fault... I'm sure that the pins moved by themselves in the mid dle of the night... but some of the pins in my high density D-Sub connector a re in the wrong places. > > I have the right tool: https://www.steinair.com/product/insertionremoval-t ool-for-high-density-d-sub-pins-mil-spec/ > I have successfully removed regular density pins from DB-25 connectors. > These darned high-density pins refuse to come loose. > > Before I make things worse, do you have any suggestions? > > -- Art Z. > > -- > https://CheerfulCurmudgeon.com/ > > "We do not see the world as it is. We see the world as we are." ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:19:32 AM PST US From: "William Hunter" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Removing Pins from High Density D-Sub Connector I have found that the proper string of bad words is the only thing that will get the tool to work correctly. Turning the tool once it is fully inserted will only bend the tool. In other wordsI think that inserting the tool into the connector straight down and waiting for the satisfying click is the only way to get it to workif the wire does not pull out do NOT turn the tool in the bore as it will bend the tool causing more bad wordsIf the wire does not pull out then pull the tool out and then clock it 45 degrees and insert it again. Magnifying headsets are a must for anyone over 12 years of age. .. Thanks!!! Bill Hunter From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2018 8:10 AM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Removing Pins from High Density D-Sub Connector My advice is to buy multiples of the tool and in multiple versions. I have metal and plastic versions and have about 3 of each because they are so easy to wreck. The process works the same as standard pins and I know of no trick other than to try the other version of tool. Tim On Jun 14, 2018, at 10:49 AM, Roger Curtis > wrote: Art, I assume you are using the correct tool since the high-density and regular D connector use different tools Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Art Zemon > Subject: AeroElectric-List: Removing Pins from High Density D-Sub Connector Folks, It's not my fault... I'm sure that the pins moved by themselves in the middle of the night... but some of the pins in my high density D-Sub connector are in the wrong places. I have the right tool: https://www.steinair.com/product/insertionremoval-tool-for-high-density-d -sub-pins-mil-spec/ I have successfully removed regular density pins from DB-25 connectors. These darned high-density pins refuse to come loose. Before I make things worse, do you have any suggestions? -- Art Z. -- https://CheerfulCurmudgeon.com/ "We do not see the world as it is. We see the world as we are." ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:43:32 AM PST US From: Carlos Trigo Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Removing Pins from High Density D-Sub Connector Correction: when I wrote (below) =9COnly pull the tool when you manage to insert it to reach the bottom=9D, you shall read =9COnly pul l the wire when you manage to insert the tool till it reaches the bottom =9D Carlos Enviado do meu iPhone No dia 14/06/2018, =C3-s 16:52, Carlos Trigo escre veu: > Art > > Don=99t punish yourself because this is a real PIAxx task to achieve .. > I have ruined several of those tools myself. > Never mind the plastic ones, they are useless! > Use the metal ones, and do it very patiently... > > You have to involve the wire before inserting the tool to the pin, and the n insert it all the way down, very carefully. > Only pull the tool when you manage to insert it to reach the bottom of the hole. > > In some cases, I even had to push the male pin from the other side of the D sub connector. > > Patience and mild perseverance are the secrets! > > Cheers > Carlos > > Enviado do meu iPhone > > No dia 14/06/2018, =C3-s 15:42, Art Zemon escreveu: > >> Folks, >> >> It's not my fault... I'm sure that the pins moved by themselves in the mi ddle of the night... but some of the pins in my high density D-Sub connector are in the wrong places. >> >> I have the right tool: https://www.steinair.com/product/insertionremoval- tool-for-high-density-d-sub-pins-mil-spec/ >> I have successfully removed regular density pins from DB-25 connectors. >> These darned high-density pins refuse to come loose. >> >> Before I make things worse, do you have any suggestions? >> >> -- Art Z. >> >> -- >> https://CheerfulCurmudgeon.com/ >> >> "We do not see the world as it is. We see the world as we are." ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:39:18 PM PST US From: Ernest Christley Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Removing Pins from High Density D-Sub Connector Push the tool over the pin.Push the pin into the tool from the backside of the connector and hold it there.Push the tool over the pin again.Gently pul l the wire. If it doesn't come out, reseat the tool, then push the wire back in harder while pushing the tool in harder.=C2- You have to get the pin to slide in to the tool just a bit (and there is less than a bit of playroom to work wi th.). On Thursday, June 14, 2018 10:50 AM, Roger Curtis wrote: Art, I assume you are using the correct tool since the high-density and r egular D connector use different tools Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Art Zemon Subject: AeroElectric-List: Removing Pins from High Density D-Sub Connector Folks, It's not my fault... I'm sure that the pins moved by themselves in the midd le of the night... but some of the pins in my high density D-Sub connector are in the wrong places. I have the right tool:=C2-https://www.steinair.com/product/insertionremov al-tool-for-high-density-d-sub-pins-mil-spec/I have successfully removed re gular density pins from DB-25 connectors.=C2-These darned high-density pi ns refuse to come loose. Before I make things worse, do you have any suggestions? =C2- =C2- -- Art Z. -- https://CheerfulCurmudgeon.com/ "We do not see the world as it is. We see the world as we are." ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:37:29 PM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: B&C switches Dave, the MANL limiters came in and then I discovered that the holder bases I had left over were mis-drilled and should have been scrapped. Made some new ones today. Your Care Package is in the mail tomorrow. 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