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1. 06:06 AM - Re: PASS-THROUGH CHARGER (FLYaDIVE)
2. 06:47 AM - Re: PASS-THROUGH CHARGER (Alec Myers)
3. 06:58 AM - Re: PASS-THROUGH CHARGER (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
4. 08:50 AM - Re: PASS-THROUGH CHARGER (user9253)
5. 11:35 AM - Re: PASS-THROUGH CHARGER (Rick Beebe)
6. 11:45 AM - Re: PASS-THROUGH CHARGER (Alec Myers)
7. 04:22 PM - Question: can these wires be put in one wire bundle? (zwakie)
8. 04:32 PM - Re: Question: can these wires be put in one wire bundle? (FLYaDIVE)
9. 05:38 PM - Re: PASS-THROUGH CHARGER (FLYaDIVE)
10. 05:43 PM - Re: PASS-THROUGH CHARGER (Alec Myers)
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| Subject: | Re: PASS-THROUGH CHARGER |
Alec,
WELL, I guess technically you are sort of correct. BUT!! Can the the
system/load run off the alternator with out the battery being connected?
You are saying the battery can do only one thing at a time. Not on my
plane, as I have an alternator that requires a Field Voltage. Remove the
battery and there is no field voltage.
Your explanation sounds like there is a switch that turns the battery on
and off.
Taking it in and out of the circuit.
To prove your point, connect an O Scope to the battery and just look for
spikes going all the way to ZERO. Ripple does not count, unless you want
to get drunk ;-D
Barry
On Saturday, October 6, 2018, Alec Myers <alec@alecmyers.com> wrote:
> Because while the battery is charging, it=99s not being =9Cus
ed=9D.
>
> While the battery is being charged, the power to drive the instruments or
> other load that is connected in parallel with the battery, is not coming
> from the battery.
>
> Charging, or being used. One or the other, at any moment, but not both.
>
> On Oct 5, 2018, at 21:51, FLYaDIVE <flyadive@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Alec:
>
> If that was the case then how do all the planes out there charge their
> batteries while flying and how do ALL the cars out there charge their
> batteries while driving?
>
> The answer is very simple:
> The Charge Voltage and Current is MORE that the System Drain.
> The charge voltage has to be 13.8 to 14.2/5 VDC.
> The system on most planes is only 12 VDC (Battery Voltage) or LESS!
> Yes, there are 24 V systems.
>
> Your explanation is 99% correct, BUT! The battery is in PARALLEL with th
e
> load, so as long as the supply is higher than the load the battery will
> charge. The load will run off the Alternator via the ACU.
>
> Barry
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 5, 2018 at 8:20 PM Alec Myers <alec@alecmyers.com> wrote:
>
>> You can=99t charge a battery at the same time as it is =9Cin
use=9D.
>>
>> A battery is a two terminal device: either you are pushing current into
>> it, in which case you=99re charging it, or you=99re withdraw
ing current, in
>> which case you=99re =9Cusing=9D it.
>>
>> If the terminal voltage is higher than the sum of the series cell
>> voltages then current will flow into the battery. If the terminal voltag
e
>> is lower than the sum of the cell voltages then current is being withdra
wn.
>> It can=99t be both at the same time.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 5, 2018, at 13:41, Rick Beebe <rick@beebe.org> wrote:
>>
>> There was quite a discussion on the Stratux Reddit page about the hunt
>> for a battery that could be charging at the same time it was in use. I
>> don't remember what the consensus was, now, but that's another option to
>> look for. That said, I, like the other folks here, just have mine plugge
d
>> into a USB power supply connected to my avionics bus. Haven't had any
>> issues with file system corruption yet.
>>
>> --Rick
>>
>> On 10/3/2018 2:29 PM, FLYaDIVE wrote:
>>
>> Electronics should be making our life and flying easier not more
>> complicated.
>> I have a Raspberry Pi (RPi) configured for ADS-B In and WX.
>> It is displaying the information on a iPad and so far it seams to be
>> working fine.
>> The unit is hooked to an external belly mounted antenna for the ADS-B In
>> and an internal antenna for WX.
>> At some point I hope to install an external antenna for that also.
>> Here is the frustrating part:
>> The RPi requires a power source that is a battery. I have battery that
>> is suppose to store 12,000 mA.
>> Yeah, well, I'll believe that when it runs for 34 Hours without requirin
g
>> a charge.
>> So, here is the rub... I am getting tired of climbing in back of the
>> plane to Install and Remove the battery for Charging and to remember to
>> charg the battery and bring it back to the plane and hook it back up...
>> Well, you get the idea!!!
>>
>>
>>
--
Barry
"Chop'd Liver"
If you wash your hands before you go to the bathroom you may have the
makings of a Crew Chief.
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| Subject: | Re: PASS-THROUGH CHARGER |
Technically correct is the best kind of correct to be :-)
Any instant the battery terminal voltage is above (say) 12.5V, no current is being
withdrawn from the battery. During that time the alternator field is being
driven by the alternator, and not the battery. The battery might be doing some
smoothing effects, but its not providing any power, to anything, as long as
the engine is turning and the alternator is functioning.
I once had a mechanic explain to me that the battery powers the avionics, and the
alternator recharges the battery. This isnt so: For as long as the alternator
is working normally and the engine is running, the alternator powers the avionics
and keeps the battery topped up. Power is only withdrawn from the battery
when the alternator isnt functioning.
On Oct 6, 2018, at 9:06 AM, FLYaDIVE <flyadive@gmail.com> wrote:
Alec,
WELL, I guess technically you are sort of correct. BUT!! Can the the system/load
run off the alternator with out the battery being connected? You are saying
the battery can do only one thing at a time. Not on my plane, as I have an
alternator that requires a Field Voltage. Remove the battery and there is no
field voltage.
Your explanation sounds like there is a switch that turns the battery on and off.
Taking it in and out of the circuit.
To prove your point, connect an O Scope to the battery and just look for spikes
going all the way to ZERO. Ripple does not count, unless you want to get drunk
;-D
Barry
On Saturday, October 6, 2018, Alec Myers <alec@alecmyers.com> wrote:
Because while the battery is charging, its not being used.
While the battery is being charged, the power to drive the instruments or other
load that is connected in parallel with the battery, is not coming from the battery.
Charging, or being used. One or the other, at any moment, but not both.
On Oct 5, 2018, at 21:51, FLYaDIVE <flyadive@gmail.com> wrote:
Alec:
If that was the case then how do all the planes out there charge their batteries
while flying and how do ALL the cars out there charge their batteries while
driving?
The answer is very simple:
The Charge Voltage and Current is MORE that the System Drain.
The charge voltage has to be 13.8 to 14.2/5 VDC.
The system on most planes is only 12 VDC (Battery Voltage) or LESS!
Yes, there are 24 V systems.
Your explanation is 99% correct, BUT! The battery is in PARALLEL with the load,
so as long as the supply is higher than the load the battery will charge. The
load will run off the Alternator via the ACU.
Barry
On Fri, Oct 5, 2018 at 8:20 PM Alec Myers <alec@alecmyers.com> wrote:
You cant charge a battery at the same time as it is in use.
A battery is a two terminal device: either you are pushing current into it, in
which case youre charging it, or youre withdrawing current, in which case youre
using it.
If the terminal voltage is higher than the sum of the series cell voltages then
current will flow into the battery. If the terminal voltage is lower than the
sum of the cell voltages then current is being withdrawn. It cant be both at
the same time.
On Oct 5, 2018, at 13:41, Rick Beebe <rick@beebe.org> wrote:
There was quite a discussion on the Stratux Reddit page about the hunt for a battery
that could be charging at the same time it was in use. I don't remember
what the consensus was, now, but that's another option to look for. That said,
I, like the other folks here, just have mine plugged into a USB power supply
connected to my avionics bus. Haven't had any issues with file system corruption
yet.
--Rick
On 10/3/2018 2:29 PM, FLYaDIVE wrote:
> Electronics should be making our life and flying easier not more complicated.
> I have a Raspberry Pi (RPi) configured for ADS-B In and WX.
> It is displaying the information on a iPad and so far it seams to be working
fine.
> The unit is hooked to an external belly mounted antenna for the ADS-B In and
an internal antenna for WX.
> At some point I hope to install an external antenna for that also.
> Here is the frustrating part:
> The RPi requires a power source that is a battery. I have battery that is suppose
to store 12,000 mA.
> Yeah, well, I'll believe that when it runs for 34 Hours without requiring a charge.
> So, here is the rub... I am getting tired of climbing in back of the plane to
Install and Remove the battery for Charging and to remember to charg the battery
and bring it back to the plane and hook it back up... Well, you get the
idea!!!
>
--
Barry
"Chop'd Liver"
If you wash your hands before you go to the bathroom you may have the makings of
a Crew Chief.
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| Subject: | Re: PASS-THROUGH CHARGER |
At 07:15 PM 10/5/2018, you wrote:
>You can=99t charge a battery at the same time as it is =9Cin
use=9D.
>
>A battery is a two terminal device: either you
>are pushing current into it, in which case
>you=99re charging it, or you=99re withdrawing
>current, in which case you=99re =9Cusing=9D it.
>
>If the terminal voltage is higher than the sum
>of the series cell voltages then current will
>flow into the battery. If the terminal voltage
>is lower than the sum of the cell voltages then
>current is being withdrawn. It can=99t be both at the same time.
Correct. We're never simultaneously 'charging'
and 'discharging' the battery.
If you start you car with a heavily depleted
battery, a substantial portion of the alternator's
output will be dedicated to replacing the
battery's lost energy. AT THE SAME TIME,
the alternator picks up system loads in
the vehicle. So yes, the battery isn't
both charging and supplying energy to the
system loads.
In fact, during normal operations for
the configuration I proposed, the battery
would only be used to power the 5v system
loads while the engine is still off in
preflight. But as soon your chartger circuit
is supplied with power from as the ship's
the battery gets replenished and the 5v
system continues to function.
If the ship's main power is not available,
then the battery steps in to supply system
power
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: PASS-THROUGH CHARGER |
All electrical loads will draw current from the source with the highest voltage.
When the alternator is operating, its voltage is higher than the battery voltage.
Thus the alternator will be powering all loads. The battery could be
disconnected and the electrical system will continue to operate. However, the
battery does provide stabilization. When my PC680 battery failed open due to
a broken internal weld, everything kept working. But the voltage was unstable,
fluctuating up and down by a volt, if I remember right. That fluctuation set
off voltage alarms in my Dynon D-180.
--------
Joe Gores
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| Subject: | Re: PASS-THROUGH CHARGER |
You misunderstand. Many people use those little ready built battery
packs that you can use to recharge your phone on-the-go. Not all of
those can be charged at the same time they're in use. Here's one that
can be:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00MQSMEEE/
The original poster is using something like that and charging it at
home. As many suggested, a simple solution is simply to use a 12v USB
adapter to power the Stratux directly from the plane. But there was also
a comment about still wanting it to be on a battery. So one alternative
is to use the USB adapter to charge up the battery pack shown above and
power the Stratux from the battery.
--Rick
On 10/5/2018 8:15 PM, Alec Myers wrote:
> You cant charge a battery at the same time as it is in use.
>
> A battery is a two terminal device: either you are pushing current
> into it, in which case youre charging it, or youre withdrawing
> current, in which case youre using it.
>
> If the terminal voltage is higher than the sum of the series cell
> voltages then current will flow into the battery. If the terminal
> voltage is lower than the sum of the cell voltages then current is
> being withdrawn. It cant be both at the same time.
>
>
> On Oct 5, 2018, at 13:41, Rick Beebe <rick@beebe.org
> <mailto:rick@beebe.org>> wrote:
>
> There was quite a discussion on the Stratux Reddit page about the
> hunt for a battery that could be charging at the same time it was in
> use. I don't remember what the consensus was, now, but that's another
> option to look for. That said, I, like the other folks here, just have
> mine plugged into a USB power supply connected to my avionics bus.
> Haven't had any issues with file system corruption yet.
>
> --Rick
>
>
> On 10/3/2018 2:29 PM, FLYaDIVE wrote:
>> Electronics should be making our life and flying easier not more
>> complicated.
>> I have a Raspberry Pi (RPi) configured for ADS-B In and WX.
>> It is displaying the information on a iPad and so far it seams to be
>> working fine.
>> The unit is hooked to an external belly mounted antenna for the ADS-B
>> In and an internal antenna for WX.
>> At some point I hope to install an external antenna for that also.
>> Here is the frustrating part:
>> The RPi requires a power source that is a battery. I have battery
>> that is suppose to store 12,000 mA.
>> Yeah, well, I'll believe that when it runs for 34 Hours without
>> requiring a charge.
>> So, here is the rub... I am getting tired of climbing in back of the
>> plane to Install and Remove the battery for Charging and to remember
>> to charg the battery and bring it back to the plane and hook it back
>> up... Well, you get the idea!!!
>>
>
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| Subject: | Re: PASS-THROUGH CHARGER |
So it=99s a matter of terminology, but that=99s not actually a b
attery (which is a battery of cells in series) - that=99s a power pack
consisting of a battery and some power management circuitry. it=99s n
ot a two terminal device any more.
On Oct 6, 2018, at 14:33, Rick Beebe <rick@beebe.org> wrote:
You misunderstand. Many people use those little ready built battery packs th
at you can use to recharge your phone on-the-go. Not all of those can be cha
rged at the same time they're in use. Here's one that can be:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00MQSMEEE/
The original poster is using something like that and charging it at home. As
many suggested, a simple solution is simply to use a 12v USB adapter to pow
er the Stratux directly from the plane. But there was also a comment about s
till wanting it to be on a battery. So one alternative is to use the USB ada
pter to charge up the battery pack shown above and power the Stratux from th
e battery.
--Rick
> On 10/5/2018 8:15 PM, Alec Myers wrote:
> You can=99t charge a battery at the same time as it is =9Cin u
se=9D.
>
> A battery is a two terminal device: either you are pushing current into it
, in which case you=99re charging it, or you=99re withdrawing cu
rrent, in which case you=99re =9Cusing=9D it.
>
> If the terminal voltage is higher than the sum of the series cell voltages
then current will flow into the battery. If the terminal voltage is lower t
han the sum of the cell voltages then current is being withdrawn. It can
=99t be both at the same time.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 5, 2018, at 13:41, Rick Beebe <rick@beebe.org> wrote:
>
> There was quite a discussion on the Stratux Reddit page about the hunt fo
r a battery that could be charging at the same time it was in use. I don't r
emember what the consensus was, now, but that's another option to look for. T
hat said, I, like the other folks here, just have mine plugged into a USB po
wer supply connected to my avionics bus. Haven't had any issues with file sy
stem corruption yet.
>
> --Rick
>
>
>> On 10/3/2018 2:29 PM, FLYaDIVE wrote:
>> Electronics should be making our life and flying easier not more complica
ted.
>> I have a Raspberry Pi (RPi) configured for ADS-B In and WX.
>> It is displaying the information on a iPad and so far it seams to be work
ing fine.
>> The unit is hooked to an external belly mounted antenna for the ADS-B In a
nd an internal antenna for WX.
>> At some point I hope to install an external antenna for that also.
>> Here is the frustrating part:
>> The RPi requires a power source that is a battery. I have battery that i
s suppose to store 12,000 mA.
>> Yeah, well, I'll believe that when it runs for 34 Hours without requiring
a charge.
>> So, here is the rub... I am getting tired of climbing in back of the pla
ne to Install and Remove the battery for Charging and to remember to charg t
he battery and bring it back to the plane and hook it back up... Well, you
get the idea!!!
>>
>
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| Subject: | Question: can these wires be put in one wire bundle? |
I am currently working on a new panel for my Europa, part of which is the installation
of a new transponder and radio (Trig's TY91 and TT21). The remote units
of these will be put behind the seats under the baggage area, and I need to
bring a wire bundle forward to the panel.
My plan was to put all the wires for both units into a single wire bundle except
for the mic, phone and ptt wires. In addition I plan of putting a single power
and ground wire into this bundle, connecting to a separate fuseblock near
the units in the back (of course, the AWG of these will be scaled upwards appropriately).
My question: can this be done without problems like creating EM coupling, crosstalk,
etc.?
I will also need to put two shielded audio cables back to front to connect into
the AP60 audio mixer that is also in the back near the radio/xpdr units. I guess
it's best to keep those separate from this bundle, but as these audio wries
will be running sort of parallel to mentioned wire bundle what is the minimum
distance between these two runs to avoid audio issues? Also: if my guess of
keeping the audio wires separate is wrong, please let me know.
--------
Marcel Zwakenberg
XS TG || 912ULS || PH-SBR
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| Subject: | Re: Question: can these wires be put in one wire bundle? |
Marcel:
Keep the Transponder COAX out of the bundle. Run it as far away from ALL
other wires as possible and away from other COAX also.
Barry
On Sat, Oct 6, 2018 at 7:26 PM zwakie <mz@cariama.nl> wrote:
>
> I am currently working on a new panel for my Europa, part of which is the
> installation of a new transponder and radio (Trig's TY91 and TT21). The
> remote units of these will be put behind the seats under the baggage area,
> and I need to bring a wire bundle forward to the panel.
>
> My plan was to put all the wires for both units into a single wire bundle
> except for the mic, phone and ptt wires. In addition I plan of putting a
> single power and ground wire into this bundle, connecting to a separate
> fuseblock near the units in the back (of course, the AWG of these will be
> scaled upwards appropriately).
>
> My question: can this be done without problems like creating EM coupling,
> crosstalk, etc.?
>
> I will also need to put two shielded audio cables back to front to connect
> into the AP60 audio mixer that is also in the back near the radio/xpdr
> units. I guess it's best to keep those separate from this bundle, but as
> these audio wries will be running sort of parallel to mentioned wire bundle
> what is the minimum distance between these two runs to avoid audio issues?
> Also: if my guess of keeping the audio wires separate is wrong, please let
> me know.
>
> --------
> Marcel Zwakenberg
> XS TG || 912ULS || PH-SBR
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=483660#483660
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: PASS-THROUGH CHARGER |
Hi Rick:
I am the original poster and also the same guy that wants to have the
battery connected and charging (as required) with the RPi & Stratux. The
other thing I wish to do is NOT use a standard 5 VDC battery pack but use
a 12 VDC @ 12 AH battery.
Thanks to WERNER, and his idea of using a DC to DC Converter the project
now has a Solution.
The project will:
1 - Run off the plane's power.
2 - Have a separate Power Source - 12 VDC battery
3 - Have an output of 5.2 VDC @ 3 Amps to run the RPi.
Oh! Side note: Remember "Strike Finders"?
Well, RPi now has a version of Strike Finder which is told to be more
accurate and more sensitive.
SO... My project will have more than enough power to run a second RPi.
Barry
On Sat, Oct 6, 2018 at 2:38 PM Rick Beebe <rick@beebe.org> wrote:
> You misunderstand. Many people use those little ready built battery packs
> that you can use to recharge your phone on-the-go. Not all of those can b
e
> charged at the same time they're in use. Here's one that can be:
>
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00MQSMEEE/
>
> The original poster is using something like that and charging it at home.
> As many suggested, a simple solution is simply to use a 12v USB adapter t
o
> power the Stratux directly from the plane. But there was also a comment
> about still wanting it to be on a battery. So one alternative is to use t
he
> USB adapter to charge up the battery pack shown above and power the Strat
ux
> from the battery.
>
> --Rick
>
> On 10/5/2018 8:15 PM, Alec Myers wrote:
>
> You can=99t charge a battery at the same time as it is =9Cin
use=9D.
>
> A battery is a two terminal device: either you are pushing current into
> it, in which case you=99re charging it, or you=99re withdrawi
ng current, in
> which case you=99re =9Cusing=9D it.
>
> If the terminal voltage is higher than the sum of the series cell voltage
s
> then current will flow into the battery. If the terminal voltage is lower
> than the sum of the cell voltages then current is being withdrawn. It can
=99t
> be both at the same time.
>
>
> On Oct 5, 2018, at 13:41, Rick Beebe <rick@beebe.org> wrote:
>
> There was quite a discussion on the Stratux Reddit page about the hunt
> for a battery that could be charging at the same time it was in use. I
> don't remember what the consensus was, now, but that's another option to
> look for. That said, I, like the other folks here, just have mine plugged
> into a USB power supply connected to my avionics bus. Haven't had any
> issues with file system corruption yet.
>
> --Rick
>
> On 10/3/2018 2:29 PM, FLYaDIVE wrote:
>
> Electronics should be making our life and flying easier not more
> complicated.
> I have a Raspberry Pi (RPi) configured for ADS-B In and WX.
> It is displaying the information on a iPad and so far it seams to be
> working fine.
> The unit is hooked to an external belly mounted antenna for the ADS-B In
> and an internal antenna for WX.
> At some point I hope to install an external antenna for that also.
> Here is the frustrating part:
> The RPi requires a power source that is a battery. I have battery that i
s
> suppose to store 12,000 mA.
> Yeah, well, I'll believe that when it runs for 34 Hours without requiring
> a charge.
> So, here is the rub... I am getting tired of climbing in back of the
> plane to Install and Remove the battery for Charging and to remember to
> charg the battery and bring it back to the plane and hook it back up...
> Well, you get the idea!!!
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: PASS-THROUGH CHARGER |
Barry
Im curious - how are you intending to connect things so that the project will both
run off the planes power, and have its own 12v battery?
On Oct 6, 2018, at 8:36 PM, FLYaDIVE <flyadive@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Rick:
I am the original poster and also the same guy that wants to have the battery connected
and charging (as required) with the RPi & Stratux. The other thing I
wish to do is NOT use a standard 5 VDC battery pack but use a 12 VDC @ 12 AH
battery.
Thanks to WERNER, and his idea of using a DC to DC Converter the project now has
a Solution.
The project will:
1 - Run off the plane's power.
2 - Have a separate Power Source - 12 VDC battery
3 - Have an output of 5.2 VDC @ 3 Amps to run the RPi.
Oh! Side note: Remember "Strike Finders"?
Well, RPi now has a version of Strike Finder which is told to be more accurate
and more sensitive.
SO... My project will have more than enough power to run a second RPi.
Barry
On Sat, Oct 6, 2018 at 2:38 PM Rick Beebe <rick@beebe.org> wrote:
You misunderstand. Many people use those little ready built battery packs that
you can use to recharge your phone on-the-go. Not all of those can be charged
at the same time they're in use. Here's one that can be:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00MQSMEEE/
The original poster is using something like that and charging it at home. As many
suggested, a simple solution is simply to use a 12v USB adapter to power the
Stratux directly from the plane. But there was also a comment about still wanting
it to be on a battery. So one alternative is to use the USB adapter to charge
up the battery pack shown above and power the Stratux from the battery.
--Rick
On 10/5/2018 8:15 PM, Alec Myers wrote:
> You cant charge a battery at the same time as it is in use.
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> A battery is a two terminal device: either you are pushing current into it, in
which case youre charging it, or youre withdrawing current, in which case youre
using it.
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> If the terminal voltage is higher than the sum of the series cell voltages then
current will flow into the battery. If the terminal voltage is lower than the
sum of the cell voltages then current is being withdrawn. It cant be both at
the same time.
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> On Oct 5, 2018, at 13:41, Rick Beebe <rick@beebe.org> wrote:
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> There was quite a discussion on the Stratux Reddit page about the hunt for a
battery that could be charging at the same time it was in use. I don't remember
what the consensus was, now, but that's another option to look for. That said,
I, like the other folks here, just have mine plugged into a USB power supply
connected to my avionics bus. Haven't had any issues with file system corruption
yet.
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> --Rick
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> On 10/3/2018 2:29 PM, FLYaDIVE wrote:
>> Electronics should be making our life and flying easier not more complicated.
>> I have a Raspberry Pi (RPi) configured for ADS-B In and WX.
>> It is displaying the information on a iPad and so far it seams to be working
fine.
>> The unit is hooked to an external belly mounted antenna for the ADS-B In and
an internal antenna for WX.
>> At some point I hope to install an external antenna for that also.
>> Here is the frustrating part:
>> The RPi requires a power source that is a battery. I have battery that is suppose
to store 12,000 mA.
>> Yeah, well, I'll believe that when it runs for 34 Hours without requiring a
charge.
>> So, here is the rub... I am getting tired of climbing in back of the plane
to Install and Remove the battery for Charging and to remember to charg the battery
and bring it back to the plane and hook it back up... Well, you get the
idea!!!
>>
>
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