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1. 08:42 AM - Re: Ford Voltage Regulator (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
2. 08:55 AM - Re: Ford Voltage Regulator (Sebastien)
3. 12:16 PM - Re: B lead circuit breaker (Ron Burnett)
4. 01:29 PM - Re: B lead circuit breaker (A R Goldman)
5. 06:28 PM - Re: B lead circuit breaker (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
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Subject: | Re: Ford Voltage Regulator |
At 09:18 PM 11/24/2018, you wrote:
>Z-11 shows the S wire of the Ford regulator tied in to the A
>terminal. Our Hartzell alternator has a dedicated Sta terminal so
>I'm guessing that the S terminal of the regulator should go to the
>Sta terminal on the alternator instead of being tied into the
>alternator switch going to the A terminal? Can anyone please confirm
>if this makes sense or not?
The "s" terminal did go to the stator
winding in cars . . . but is best
paralleled with "a" in airplanes.
Ignore the aux, n or s terminals on
the alternator.
http://www.aeroelectric.com/Reference_Docs/Alternator_Data/Legacy_EM_Regulator_(Ford).pdf
This is because the solid state replacement
for the Ford E-M regulator is NOT a
strictly functional replacement. The "S"
terminal does not behave in the same
manner as it did on the E-M products.
Bob . . .
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Subject: | Re: Ford Voltage Regulator |
So for any VR166 regulator and Ford type alternator combination wire as per
Z-11.
Thank you Bob.
On Sun, Nov 25, 2018, 08:46 Robert L. Nuckolls, III <
nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com wrote:
> At 09:18 PM 11/24/2018, you wrote:
>
> Z-11 shows the S wire of the Ford regulator tied in to the A terminal. Our
> Hartzell alternator has a dedicated Sta terminal so I'm guessing that the S
> terminal of the regulator should go to the Sta terminal on the alternator
> instead of being tied into the alternator switch going to the A terminal?
> Can anyone please confirm if this makes sense or not?
>
>
> The "s" terminal did go to the stator
> winding in cars . . . but is best
> paralleled with "a" in airplanes.
> Ignore the aux, n or s terminals on
> the alternator.
>
>
> http://www.aeroelectric.com/Reference_Docs/Alternator_Data/Legacy_EM_Regulator_(Ford).pdf
>
>
> This is because the solid state replacement
> for the Ford E-M regulator is NOT a
> strictly functional replacement. The "S"
> terminal does not behave in the same
> manner as it did on the E-M products.
>
> Bob . . .
>
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Subject: | Re: B lead circuit breaker |
Follow up on field Cb:
Now the 5 amp Field CB blew after take off yesterday and could not be reset.
A few days before it blew shortly after takeoff and reset and I read 16 co
lts briefly.
I removed thePlane Power alternator and will send to Montgomery for exchange
(hopefully) or repair. It was purchased from Vans in December 2014 but not
flying until August 2017 with less than 120 hours. Hope it is under warran
ty.
Will call them tomorrow morning.
Ron Burnett
May you have the Lord's blessings today!
Sent from my iPad
> On Oct 9, 2018, at 8:32 PM, Ron Burnett <ronburnett@charter.net> wrote:
>
> Bob is correct in that it is the 5 amp Field CB that pops. First time was
a year ago, once. Then 3 times on an 8 hour 4 leg cross country. First ti
me Wig wags and strobe was on. Turns wig wags off, left strobes on, repoppe
d a few minutes later, reset and landed. This was at the end of nearly four
hours of flight.
>
> Four days later took off with strobes on and CB popped. Turned strobe off
and flew 4 hours home with no issues. Will check connection on Field wire t
o CB.
> The voltage regulator is obviously built in the alternator.
>
> That is all I know, which isn=99t much.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ron Burnett
>
> May you have the Lord's blessings today!
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Oct 9, 2018, at 8:02 AM, Ken Ryan <keninalaska@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Do circuit breakers trip due to high voltage, or due to current overload?
>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 10:30 PM Ron Burnett <ronburnett@charter.net> wro
te:
>>> Art,
>>>
>>> Yes, the volt meter shows 14.2 to 14.3 range in flight, unless it spikes
I guess?
>>>
>>> Ron Burnett
>>>
>>> May you have the Lord's blessings today!
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>>> On Oct 8, 2018, at 8:51 PM, Art Zemon <art@zemon.name> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Ron,
>>>>
>>>> Do you have a voltmeter in the plane? I am guessing that the circuit br
eaker is popping because the voltage is going too high. Maybe a voltage regu
lator problem.
>>>>
>>>> -- Art Z.
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 8:34 PM Ron Burnett <ronburnett@charter.net> wr
ote:
er.net>
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a Plane Power Alternator on my RV-6A and lately with the Aero Fl
ash strobes on at some point the B lead CB will pop. It does reset. Today
I flew a 2 leg cross country for 4 hours total, all with the strobes off af
ter the popping event 2 minutes into the flight. How would I determine if th
eir is a problem with the strobes that might cause this problem?
>>>> --
>>>> https://CheerfulCurmudgeon.com/
>>>>
>>>> "We do not see the world as it is. We see the world as we are."
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Subject: | Re: B lead circuit breaker |
Not an expert on =9Calternator facts=9D but my understanding is t
hat the alternator can put out large voltages and it is the purpose of the V
OLTAGE regulator to in effect regulate the output voltage to that useable by
the plane, boat or auto. It does this by controlling the field through the p
rotective breaker, which, in your case, seems to be breaking.
The increased voltage you temporarily saw might be perfectly normal if your v
oltage regulator was in its death throes and not regulating properly after w
hich it gave up the ghost and would only blow the field breaker
All of this is to say that your voltage regulator may be the culprit not the
alternator.
Keep us apprised about this breaking news
Rich
Sent from my iPhone
> On Nov 25, 2018, at 2:15 PM, Ron Burnett <ronburnett@charter.net> wrote:
>
> Follow up on field Cb:
>
> Now the 5 amp Field CB blew after take off yesterday and could not be rese
t. A few days before it blew shortly after takeoff and reset and I read 16 c
olts briefly.
>
> I removed thePlane Power alternator and will send to Montgomery for exchan
ge (hopefully) or repair. It was purchased from Vans in December 2014 but n
ot flying until August 2017 with less than 120 hours. Hope it is under warr
anty.
>
> Will call them tomorrow morning.
>
> Ron Burnett
>
>
> May you have the Lord's blessings today!
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Oct 9, 2018, at 8:32 PM, Ron Burnett <ronburnett@charter.net> wrote:
>>
>> Bob is correct in that it is the 5 amp Field CB that pops. First time wa
s a year ago, once. Then 3 times on an 8 hour 4 leg cross country. First t
ime Wig wags and strobe was on. Turns wig wags off, left strobes on, repopp
ed a few minutes later, reset and landed. This was at the end of nearly fou
r hours of flight.
>>
>> Four days later took off with strobes on and CB popped. Turned strobe of
f and flew 4 hours home with no issues. Will check connection on Field wire
to CB.
>> The voltage regulator is obviously built in the alternator.
>>
>> That is all I know, which isn=99t much.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ron Burnett
>>
>> May you have the Lord's blessings today!
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Oct 9, 2018, at 8:02 AM, Ken Ryan <keninalaska@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Do circuit breakers trip due to high voltage, or due to current overload
?
>>>
>>>> On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 10:30 PM Ron Burnett <ronburnett@charter.net> wr
ote:
>>>> Art,
>>>>
>>>> Yes, the volt meter shows 14.2 to 14.3 range in flight, unless it spike
s I guess?
>>>>
>>>> Ron Burnett
>>>>
>>>> May you have the Lord's blessings today!
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 8, 2018, at 8:51 PM, Art Zemon <art@zemon.name> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Ron,
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you have a voltmeter in the plane? I am guessing that the circuit b
reaker is popping because the voltage is going too high. Maybe a voltage reg
ulator problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> -- Art Z.
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 8:34 PM Ron Burnett <ronburnett@charter.net> w
rote:
ter.net>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a Plane Power Alternator on my RV-6A and lately with the Aero
Flash strobes on at some point the B lead CB will pop. It does reset. Tod
ay I flew a 2 leg cross country for 4 hours total, all with the strobes off a
fter the popping event 2 minutes into the flight. How would I determine if t
heir is a problem with the strobes that might cause this problem?
>>>>> --
>>>>> https://CheerfulCurmudgeon.com/
>>>>>
>>>>> "We do not see the world as it is. We see the world as we are."
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Subject: | Re: B lead circuit breaker |
>
>
>All of this is to say that your voltage regulator may be the culprit
>not the alternator.
PlanePower uses the stock, INTERNAL votlage
regulator in their automotive->airplane
conversions. So in this case, the whole
alternator assembly needs to be returned
for evaluation.
In this instance, it appears that the PlanePower
added, crowbar ov management system was doing its
job.
Bob . . .
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