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1. 05:41 AM - Re: Re: Basic Elec. Diagram -critique pls (Art Zemon)
2. 05:58 AM - Re: Re: Basic Elec. Diagram -critique pls (Kelly McMullen)
3. 06:06 AM - Re: Basic Elec. Diagram -critique pls (supik)
4. 06:49 AM - Re: Re: Basic Elec. Diagram -critique pls (Kelly McMullen)
5. 07:35 AM - Re: Re: Basic Elec. Diagram -critique pls (Carlos Trigo)
6. 07:38 AM - Re: Re: Basic Elec. Diagram -critique pls (Carlos Trigo)
7. 07:56 AM - Re: Basic Elec. Diagram -critique pls (supik)
8. 07:58 AM - Re: Basic Elec. Diagram -critique pls (supik)
9. 09:37 AM - Re: Re: Basic Elec. Diagram -critique pls (Sebastien)
10. 09:40 AM - Re: Re: Basic Elec. Diagram -critique pls (Sebastien)
11. 09:41 AM - Re: Re: Basic Elec. Diagram -critique pls (Sebastien)
12. 10:26 AM - Re: Basic Elec. Diagram -critique pls (supik)
13. 10:48 AM - Re: Internally Regulated Over Voltage Protection (BMC_Dave)
14. 03:33 PM - Re: Basic Elec. Diagram -critique pls (supik)
15. 03:53 PM - Re: Re: Basic Elec. Diagram -critique pls (Sebastien)
16. 03:59 PM - Re: Basic Elec. Diagram -critique pls (supik)
17. 04:10 PM - Re: Basic Elec. Diagram -critique pls (supik)
18. 04:14 PM - Re: Re: Basic Elec. Diagram -critique pls (Sebastien)
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Subject: | Re: Basic Elec. Diagram -critique pls |
Sebatien,
I agree with everything that you wrote. My apologies if anything that I
wrote was confusing. I did not mean to imply that I would not turn on the
pitot heat until I was in the conditions requiring it. I would turn it on
well before entering those conditions, just as you suggested when you wrote
about turning it on before takeoff.
For me, flying airplanes which are not certified for flight into known
icing conditions, I am simply not willing to fly in a situation that
requires pitot heat for an extended period of time. I don't like to fly an
approach and landing through such conditions. The chance of ice is small
but... I will only launch into such conditions if I know that I can climb
out the top VERY quickly.
I misjudged the "climb out on top VERY quickly" once and scared myself. I
NEVER want to do that again. You can read about it in a NASA ASRS Callback,
my moment of anonymous fame. (Email me off-list if you want to know more)
-- Art Z.
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Subject: | Re: Basic Elec. Diagram -critique pls |
I don't disagree with the sentiment for pitot heat. However, I will note
that many TC aircraft didn't get heated pitot until well after 1960. I
flew without pitot heat in and out of clouds quite a bit. I was
fortunate to be in geographic area with low humidity and virtually all
icing was slow to accumulate rime, which did not seem to block the old
standard 1/8" copper tube pitot. Today, the non-certified heated pitots
are certainly cheap enough that they should be employed as a defensive
measure even if one intends to avoid all flight in cloud.
On 1/14/2019 6:09 AM, Art Zemon wrote:
> Sebatien,
>
> I agree with everything that you wrote. My apologies if anything that I
> wrote was confusing. I did not mean to imply that I would not turn on
> the pitot heat until I was in the conditions requiring it. I would turn
> it on well before entering those conditions, just as you suggested when
> you wrote about turning it on before takeoff.
>
> For me, flying airplanes which are not certified for flight into known
> icing conditions, I am simply not willing to fly in a situation that
> requires pitot heat for an extended period of time. I don't like to fly
> an approach and landing through such conditions. The chance of ice is
> small but... I will only launch into such conditions if I know that I
> can climb out the top VERY quickly.
>
> I misjudged the "climb out on top VERY quickly" once and scared myself.
> I NEVER want to do that again. You can read about it in a NASA ASRS
> Callback, my moment of anonymous fame. (Email me off-list if you want to
> know more)
>
> -- Art Z.
>
> --
> https://CheerfulCurmudgeon.com/
>
> /"Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle."/
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Subject: | Re: Basic Elec. Diagram -critique pls |
I have updated the Load Analysis to reduce confusion. I have removed the MAX DRAW
columns (required only for the local European Load Analysis). I hope, it's
more clear now.
The updated analysis will be posted soon in my original post.
The euipment outlined in the Load Analysis is required for the night IFR flight
and will be ON.
Let's focus on the el. diagram. I am going to replace the ESS-BUS relay with a
continuos duty type relay.
Have you found any other hotspots?
Is there any G3X Touch expert who can tell me if it's possible to setup the warnings
in the G3X Touch for the Voltage as described in my OP?
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Subject: | Re: Basic Elec. Diagram -critique pls |
OK, you may need to have an analysis for your regulators with everything
at max draw, but for wire sizing, alternator sizing, etc. it makes zero
sense. For instance, it is very unlikely, if not impossible to be
transmitting on both com units at the same time. Many of the items the
max draw is only during boot up cycle. You most certainly will not be
flying at night with your dome light on. Your nav and strobe lights will
be at minimum after start up, not at max.
I'd suggest you follow US convention for load analysis to get
appropriate alternator and wire sizing...looking at normal continuous
operating current for each item, not its transient max draw. It will put
your normal load at about 1/2 the numbers you are looking at. The rule
of thumb 80% of capacity number, for instance is based on continuous
operating load, not max potential current.
Are you really going to fly much night time IFR? I did it when I was
younger, but it would be extremely rare now that I don't "need" to get
somewhere enough to do that. Obviously your regs are stricter than the US.
On 1/14/2019 7:05 AM, supik wrote:
>
> I have updated the Load Analysis to reduce confusion. I have removed the MAX
DRAW columns (required only for the local European Load Analysis). I hope, it's
more clear now.
>
> The updated analysis will be posted soon in my original post.
>
> The euipment outlined in the Load Analysis is required for the night IFR flight
and will be ON.
>
> Let's focus on the el. diagram. I am going to replace the ESS-BUS relay with
a continuos duty type relay.
>
> Have you found any other hotspots?
>
> Is there any G3X Touch expert who can tell me if it's possible to setup the warnings
in the G3X Touch for the Voltage as described in my OP?
>
> --------
> Igor
>
> RV10 in progress
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> Read this topic online here:
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Subject: | Re: Basic Elec. Diagram -critique pls |
Igor
You didnt send the updated load analysis.
Carlos
Enviado do meu iPhone
No dia 14/01/2019, s 14:05, supik <bionicad@hotmail.com> escreveu:
>
> I have updated the Load Analysis to reduce confusion. I have removed the MAX
DRAW columns (required only for the local European Load Analysis). I hope, it's
more clear now.
>
> The updated analysis will be posted soon in my original post.
>
> The euipment outlined in the Load Analysis is required for the night IFR flight
and will be ON.
>
> Let's focus on the el. diagram. I am going to replace the ESS-BUS relay with
a continuos duty type relay.
>
> Have you found any other hotspots?
>
> Is there any G3X Touch expert who can tell me if it's possible to setup the warnings
in the G3X Touch for the Voltage as described in my OP?
>
> --------
> Igor
>
> RV10 in progress
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> Read this topic online here:
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Subject: | Re: Basic Elec. Diagram -critique pls |
As for the G3X touch voltage warnings, I couldnt find your OP. Which voltages are
you monitoring, and where?
Carlos
Enviado do meu iPhone
No dia 14/01/2019, s 14:05, supik <bionicad@hotmail.com> escreveu:
>
> I have updated the Load Analysis to reduce confusion. I have removed the MAX
DRAW columns (required only for the local European Load Analysis). I hope, it's
more clear now.
>
> The updated analysis will be posted soon in my original post.
>
> The euipment outlined in the Load Analysis is required for the night IFR flight
and will be ON.
>
> Let's focus on the el. diagram. I am going to replace the ESS-BUS relay with
a continuos duty type relay.
>
> Have you found any other hotspots?
>
> Is there any G3X Touch expert who can tell me if it's possible to setup the warnings
in the G3X Touch for the Voltage as described in my OP?
>
> --------
> Igor
>
> RV10 in progress
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=486960#486960
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Subject: | Re: Basic Elec. Diagram -critique pls |
trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt wrote:
> Igor
>
> You didnt send the updated load analysis.
>
> Carlos
>
> Enviado do meu iPhone
>
> No dia 14/01/2019, s 14:05, supik escreveu:
>
>
> >
> >
> > I have updated the Load Analysis to reduce confusion. I have removed the MAX
DRAW columns (required only for the local European Load Analysis). I hope,
it's more clear now.
> >
> > The updated analysis will be posted soon in my original post.
> >
> > The euipment outlined in the Load Analysis is required for the night IFR flight
and will be ON.
> >
> > Let's focus on the el. diagram. I am going to replace the ESS-BUS relay with
a continuos duty type relay.
> >
> > Have you found any other hotspots?
> >
> > Is there any G3X Touch expert who can tell me if it's possible to setup the
warnings in the G3X Touch for the Voltage as described in my OP?
> >
> > --------
> > Igor
> >
> > RV10 in progress
> >
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> > Read this topic online here:
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> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=486960#486960
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Carlos, Load A. attached here and in my original post:
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Subject: | Re: Basic Elec. Diagram -critique pls |
trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt wrote:
> As for the G3X touch voltage warnings, I couldnt find your OP. Which voltages
are you monitoring, and where?
>
> Carlos
>
> Enviado do meu iPhone
>
Snip from my original post:
Respective BUS voltages monitored by G3X Touch.
-MAIN BUS threshold monitoring at or below 13.8V triggers (MASTER CAUT) MAIN BUS
LV
-ESS BUS threshold monitoring at or below 13.0V triggers (MASTER WARN) ESS BUS
LV
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Subject: | Re: Basic Elec. Diagram -critique pls |
Igor section 18 of the G3X installation manual has all the information for
configuring your EIS. While the G3X does support display of 2 different
voltage sources, it will combine them on one gauge. This means that your
Master Caution alarm and Master Warning alarm thresholds will have to be
appropriate to both voltages. I recommend you do not set any Master
Warning, and set your Master Caution alarm to ~13.7 V. If either bus falls
below this level, you get a warning and can plan accordingly while your
battery is still fully charged.
On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 6:11 AM supik <bionicad@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> I have updated the Load Analysis to reduce confusion. I have removed the
> MAX DRAW columns (required only for the local European Load Analysis). I
> hope, it's more clear now.
>
> The updated analysis will be posted soon in my original post.
>
> The euipment outlined in the Load Analysis is required for the night IFR
> flight and will be ON.
>
> Let's focus on the el. diagram. I am going to replace the ESS-BUS relay
> with a continuos duty type relay.
>
> Have you found any other hotspots?
>
> Is there any G3X Touch expert who can tell me if it's possible to setup
> the warnings in the G3X Touch for the Voltage as described in my OP?
>
> --------
> Igor
>
> RV10 in progress
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=486960#486960
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Subject: | Re: Basic Elec. Diagram -critique pls |
My G3X install manual is out of date. It's possible the 2 voltages can be
split to 2 different gauges. Check section 18 of your install manual and if
possible try it out on an existing installation with 2 voltage inputs. You
may be able to set the warnings up as desired.
On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 9:35 AM Sebastien <cluros@gmail.com> wrote:
> Igor section 18 of the G3X installation manual has all the information for
> configuring your EIS. While the G3X does support display of 2 different
> voltage sources, it will combine them on one gauge. This means that your
> Master Caution alarm and Master Warning alarm thresholds will have to be
> appropriate to both voltages. I recommend you do not set any Master
> Warning, and set your Master Caution alarm to ~13.7 V. If either bus falls
> below this level, you get a warning and can plan accordingly while your
> battery is still fully charged.
>
> On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 6:11 AM supik <bionicad@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> I have updated the Load Analysis to reduce confusion. I have removed the
>> MAX DRAW columns (required only for the local European Load Analysis). I
>> hope, it's more clear now.
>>
>> The updated analysis will be posted soon in my original post.
>>
>> The euipment outlined in the Load Analysis is required for the night IFR
>> flight and will be ON.
>>
>> Let's focus on the el. diagram. I am going to replace the ESS-BUS relay
>> with a continuos duty type relay.
>>
>> Have you found any other hotspots?
>>
>> Is there any G3X Touch expert who can tell me if it's possible to setup
>> the warnings in the G3X Touch for the Voltage as described in my OP?
>>
>> --------
>> Igor
>>
>> RV10 in progress
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=486960#486960
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Subject: | Re: Basic Elec. Diagram -critique pls |
Also the labels available are Main Bus and Aux Bus or Bus 1 and Bus 2. You
may want to go with the latter for clarity since an ESS bus is definitely
not an AUX bus.
On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 8:09 AM supik <bionicad@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt wrote:
> > As for the G3X touch voltage warnings, I couldn=99t find your OP.
Which
> voltages are you monitoring, and where?
> >
> > Carlos
> >
> > Enviado do meu iPhone
> >
>
>
> Snip from my original post:
>
> Respective BUS voltages monitored by G3X Touch.
> -MAIN BUS threshold monitoring at or below 13.8V triggers (MASTER CAUT)
> MAIN BUS LV
> -ESS BUS threshold monitoring at or below 13.0V triggers (MASTER WARN) ES
S
> BUS LV
>
> --------
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Subject: | Re: Basic Elec. Diagram -critique pls |
cluros(at)gmail.com wrote:
> Also the labels available are Main Bus and Aux Bus or Bus 1 and Bus 2. You may
want to go with the latter for clarity since an ESS bus is definitely not an
AUX bus.
>
> On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 8:09 AM supik wrote:
>
>
> >
> >
> > trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt (http://mail.telepac.pt) wrote:
> > > As for the G3X touch voltage warnings, I couldnt find your OP. Which voltages
are you monitoring, and where?
> > >
> > > Carlos
> > >
> > > Enviado do meu iPhone
> > >
> >
> >
> > Snip from my original post:
> >
> > Respective BUS voltages monitored by G3X Touch.
> > -MAIN BUS threshold monitoring at or below 13.8V triggers (MASTER CAUT) MAIN
BUS LV
> > -ESS BUS threshold monitoring at or below 13.0V triggers (MASTER WARN) ESS
BUS LV
> >
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> > Igor
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Thanks Carlos, I was afraid, the system will not allow labeling the ESS BUS.
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Subject: | Re: Internally Regulated Over Voltage Protection |
Adding to the questions, are there any negatives to leaving the e-bus alt feed
closed for normal operations? Or would an additional diode between the e-bus alt
feed and diode be prudent to avoid alternators trying to charge the battery
through the alt feed?
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Subject: | Re: Basic Elec. Diagram -critique pls |
I have just received a picture from G3X Expert. Apparently it is possible to label
the indicators..
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Subject: | Re: Basic Elec. Diagram -critique pls |
Please post the picture and your install manual.
On Mon, Jan 14, 2019, 15:38 supik <bionicad@hotmail.com wrote:
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> I have just received a picture from G3X Expert. Apparently it is possible
> to label the indicators..
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Subject: | Re: Basic Elec. Diagram -critique pls |
cluros(at)gmail.com wrote:
> Please post the picture and your install manual.
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> On Mon, Jan 14, 2019, 15:38 supik AeroElectric-List message posted by: "supik"
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> I have just received a picture from G3X Expert. Apparently it is possible to
label the indicators..
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Carlos, the picture is uploaded in my previous post.. You can download the current
manual directly from the Garmin website.
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Subject: | Re: Basic Elec. Diagram -critique pls |
Bob,
in case the ALT-2 is OFF and the ESS BUS contactor closed, so that the feed to
the ESS BUS reverses;
Least resistance to the ESS BUS will go through the ESS BUS Contactor when fed
from ALT-1 or battery (ESS BUS will be fed through the diode only if ESS BUS Contactor
open);
-will I need to have a circuit protection right after the ESS BUS Contactor facing
the ESS BUS or is the circuit breaker at the ESS BUS sufficient to protect
the wire?
thanks,
Igor
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Subject: | Re: Basic Elec. Diagram -critique pls |
Since they can be displayed as separate gauges, you will be able to set up
your alarms as you wanted in your OP.
On Mon, Jan 14, 2019, 16:04 supik <bionicad@hotmail.com wrote:
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> cluros(at)gmail.com wrote:
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> > On Mon, Jan 14, 2019, 15:38 supik AeroElectric-List message posted by:
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> > I have just received a picture from G3X Expert. Apparently it is
> possible to label the indicators..
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> Carlos, the picture is uploaded in my previous post.. You can download the
> current manual directly from the Garmin website.
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