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1. 02:39 AM - Headset Plug (Werner Schneider)
2. 06:53 AM - Re: Battery (Ernest Christley)
3. 06:53 AM - Re: Headset Plug ()
4. 07:06 AM - Re: Re: Recommended wire gauge for battery (Alec Myers)
5. 07:51 AM - Re: Headset Plug (Kelly McMullen)
6. 08:05 AM - Re: Headset Plug (Werner Schneider)
7. 08:19 AM - Re: Headset Plug (Werner Schneider)
8. 09:29 AM - Re: Headset Plug (Jared Yates)
9. 11:09 AM - Re: Battery (John Tipton)
10. 11:18 AM - Re: Battery (H. Ivan Haecker)
11. 12:18 PM - Re: Battery (Jared Yates)
12. 04:58 PM - Re: Battery (Ernest Christley)
13. 07:39 PM - Re: Battery (C&K)
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Not directly to your question, but to save yourself the hassle of hooking
up a charger, you might consider adding a solar panel to your plane.=C2-
For less than $20, you can get a 6"x12" panel that will deliver 100mA or so
.=C2- If you're only starting a couple times a week, you'd probably never
need to hunt down a charger.
On Wednesday, January 16, 2019, 2:08:15 PM EST, Ivan <hivanhaecker@gmai
l.com> wrote:
After 35 years of hand propping my C-85 engine, I have decided to install a
B & C=C2- starter. My plan is to use a light weight lithium battery for
starting only. I have no electrical system whatsoever. There will be no alt
ernator to recharge the battery. I would like to choose a battery that will
allow me a few starts (perhaps 6?) before needing to be be recharged on th
e ground. Any suggestions on what size / capacity battery I should be looki
ng for?
Ivan Haecker
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I would contact Bose, and ask if they can convert it to standard jacks
(or LEMO if that's what you want). While they do that, they will
probably also refurbish the entire headset at no cost to you.
Jim Parker
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Subject: AeroElectric-List: Headset Plug
From: Werner Schneider <glastar@gmx.net>
I need the groups knowledge!
I got an offer for a Bose A20 but is has a special plug, it's told it's
a Bell 212 plug, but could not identify such a plug somewhere could
maybe as well be a military plug (and then probably low impedance)?
Any help much appreciated!
Werner
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| Subject: | Re: Recommended wire gauge for battery |
On closer examination, I dont have to add any fat wires if I do move the battery
contactor along with the battery. The heavy cable that currently (no pun intended)
provides power forward to the engine compartment (and starter) will now
be the heavy cable that feeds power from the external power connector. So its
less work.
There are just two wires I need to add through the firewall:
1. The battery contactor coil current, which goes from the contactor coil low side
in series through the external power control relay (at the old battery location),
a diode and then forward to the battery master switch.
2. Permanent power to the hour meter
On Jan 16, 2019, at 11:20 AM, Charlie England <ceengland7@gmail.com> wrote:
Kelly said something important: The Master solenoid/contactor still should be as
close as possible to the battery.
Is your inspector ok with having the battery's 'fat' wire running unprotected all
the way from firewall to the back of the a/c?
I know it's frustrating to get answers that aren't answers to your question, but
sometimes that's needed.
Charlie
On 1/16/2019 8:36 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
>
> OK, nothing wrong with having a single heavy lead back to your remote power.
The Master solenoid/contactor still should be as close as possible to the battery.
Your starter wire is not going to change. The only wire you need to add is
from the battery to the starter relay. You can leave the existing wire from
the battery and connect it to the external power relay.
> Typically 24/28V wire can be one or two number sizes smaller than 14V wire for
same current. That would likely put you at #4 or #6.
>
> On 1/15/2019 3:29 PM, Alec Myers wrote:
>>
>> I miswrote, and in fact the starter contactor is already on the firewall.
>>
>> So I would have to move the battery contactor only, but thats not trivial in
this airplane. Also I would have to keep or install a heavy cable from the external
power relay back to the battery - the external power relay, connector (through
the fuselage side) and external power control relay are all colocated
behind the baggage compartment.
>>
>> I was really wondering what gauge of wire people use for a 24v starter...
>>
>>
>> On Jan 15, 2019, at 10:26, user9253 <fransew@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> The engine is on the front of the airplane, correct? As others have said, it
is
>> best to move the contactors forward near the battery. Weight will be less and
>> safety will be increased. What is the reason for not moving the contactors,
no
>> room, more work, regulator?
>>
>> --------
>> Joe Gores
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| Subject: | Re: Headset Plug |
They will sell the audio cable, but it is in the neighborhood of $200,
because the mike is part of the assembly. Check Sporty's for adapters.
On 1/17/2019 7:43 AM, jim@PoogieBearRanch.com wrote:
>
> I would contact Bose, and ask if they can convert it to standard jacks
> (or LEMO if that's what you want). While they do that, they will
> probably also refurbish the entire headset at no cost to you.
>
> Jim Parker
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: AeroElectric-List: Headset Plug
> From: Werner Schneider <glastar@gmx.net>
> Date: Thu, January 17, 2019 4:38 am
> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
>
> I need the groups knowledge!
>
> I got an offer for a Bose A20 but is has a special plug, it's told it's
> a Bell 212 plug, but could not identify such a plug somewhere could
> maybe as well be a military plug (and then probably low impedance)?
>
>
>
>
> Any help much appreciated!
>
> Werner
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Headset Plug |
Kelly, I've searched all over the Net, but could not find any adapter
for that special 2 plug cable.
Cheers Werner
On 17.01.2019 16:41, Kelly McMullen wrote:
> <kellym@aviating.com>
>
> They will sell the audio cable, but it is in the neighborhood of $200,
> because the mike is part of the assembly. Check Sporty's for adapters.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Headset Plug |
Kelly, I found what you meant, that is a complete replacement for the
cabling which you unplug, the one with BT is even 300$ and it would make
the deal expensive again.
Thanks Werner
On 17.01.2019 16:41, Kelly McMullen wrote:
> <kellym@aviating.com>
>
> They will sell the audio cable, but it is in the neighborhood of $200,
> because the mike is part of the assembly. Check Sporty's for adapters.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Headset Plug |
Sometimes just the downcord pops up on ebay. Maybe you can set up a search
alert. This is why we see so much variation in the price of used headsets
based on their plugs. I don't know the A20 line, but note that in some of
the X models the microphone was not interchangeable between helicooter
versions and the others, so there's a chance that even if you found just
the plugs it still wouldn't work.
The days of Bose doing free refurbs seems to be long over. I've sent in
several x models over the years, and the prices have climbed from $179 to
$225, and the most recent one was to be $300. I was reluctant to do it at
all, but the pile of parts wasn't worth anything otherwise. After all the
trouble of packing it up and getting it to UPS, they sent it back without
fixing it or charging me, saying that it was too old. The person on the
phone took down the serial number before I ever sent it in, and at that
stage it was not too old. All good things must end some time I suppose, but
it is important to update the status of the Bose support situation.
On January 17, 2019 11:21:39 Werner Schneider <glastar@gmx.net> wrote:
>
> Kelly, I've searched all over the Net, but could not find any adapter
> for that special 2 plug cable.
>
> Cheers Werner
>
> On 17.01.2019 16:41, Kelly McMullen wrote:
>> <kellym@aviating.com>
>>
>> They will sell the audio cable, but it is in the neighborhood of $200,
>> because the mike is part of the assembly. Check Sporty's for adapters.
>>
>
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How do you regulate the charge with these things, can you over charge a batt
ery
John
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> On 17 Jan 2019, at 2:51 pm, Ernest Christley <echristley@att.net> wrote:
>
> Not directly to your question, but to save yourself the hassle of hooking u
p a charger, you might consider adding a solar panel to your plane. For les
s than $20, you can get a 6"x12" panel that will deliver 100mA or so. If yo
u're only starting a couple times a week, you'd probably never need to hunt d
own a charger.
>
> On Wednesday, January 16, 2019, 2:08:15 PM EST, Ivan <hivanhaecker@gmail.c
om> wrote:
>
>
>
> After 35 years of hand propping my C-85 engine, I have decided to install a
B & C starter. My plan is to use a light weight lithium battery for starti
ng only. I have no electrical system whatsoever. There will be no alternator
to recharge the battery. I would like to choose a battery that will allow m
e a few starts (perhaps 6?) before needing to be be recharged on the ground.
Any suggestions on what size / capacity battery I should be looking for?
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I like that idea. Of course, the sun never shines in my hangar, but it
usually does when I=99m flying!
I wrote an e-mail to B&C, but they only said that in general, they
recommend Earth X batteries. What I really need to know is what size
(capacity) battery I need, i.e., how many cca=99s, etc. that I need t
o
accomplish my intended goals. I guess I need to do a little research.
On Thu, Jan 17, 2019 at 8:57 AM Ernest Christley <echristley@att.net> wrote
:
> Not directly to your question, but to save yourself the hassle of hooking
> up a charger, you might consider adding a solar panel to your plane. For
> less than $20, you can get a 6"x12" panel that will deliver 100mA or so.
> If you're only starting a couple times a week, you'd probably never need
to
> hunt down a charger.
>
> On Wednesday, January 16, 2019, 2:08:15 PM EST, Ivan <
> hivanhaecker@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> After 35 years of hand propping my C-85 engine, I have decided to install
> a B & C starter. My plan is to use a light weight lithium battery for
> starting only. I have no electrical system whatsoever. There will be no
> alternator to recharge the battery. I would like to choose a battery that
> will allow me a few starts (perhaps 6?) before needing to be be recharged
> on the ground. Any suggestions on what size / capacity battery I should b
e
> looking for?
> <; - The AeroElectric-List Email Forum -
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List
> http://forums.matronics.com
> -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
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Ivan, you might also reach out to Earthx to see what they would recommend.
Last I checked Bruce was running a total loss Earthx in his LSA and it was
lasting a long time. Let me know if you want help getting in touch with him.
On January 17, 2019 14:23:18 "H. Ivan Haecker" <hivanhaecker@gmail.com> wrote:
> I like that idea. Of course, the sun never shines in my hangar, but it
> usually does when Im flying!
>
> I wrote an e-mail to B&C, but they only said that in general, they
> recommend Earth X batteries. What I really need to know is what size
> (capacity) battery I need, i.e., how many ccas, etc. that I need to
> accomplish my intended goals. I guess I need to do a little research.
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 17, 2019 at 8:57 AM Ernest Christley <echristley@att.net> wrote:
>
> Not directly to your question, but to save yourself the hassle of hooking
> up a charger, you might consider adding a solar panel to your plane. For
> less than $20, you can get a 6"x12" panel that will deliver 100mA or so.
> If you're only starting a couple times a week, you'd probably never need to
> hunt down a charger.
>
> On Wednesday, January 16, 2019, 2:08:15 PM EST, Ivan
> <hivanhaecker@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> After 35 years of hand propping my C-85 engine, I have decided to install a
> B & C starter. My plan is to use a light weight lithium battery for
> starting only. I have no electrical system whatsoever. There will be no
> alternator to recharge the battery. I would like to choose a battery that
> will allow me a few starts (perhaps 6?) before needing to be be recharged
> on the ground. Any suggestions on what size / capacity battery I should be
> looking for?
> <; - The AeroElectric-List Email Forum -
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List
>
> http://forums.matronics.com
>
> -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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They would only output about 14V Max. They don't have enough power to damag
e anything as I understood it, but that was with a lead acid battery. If yo
u talking to the battery guys, ask them and let us know what they have to s
ay about it.
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On Thu, Jan 17, 2019 at 2:10 PM, John Tipton<john@tiptonuk.eu> wrote: H
ow do you regulate the charge with these things, can you over charge a batt
ery
John
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On 17 Jan 2019, at 2:51 pm, Ernest Christley <echristley@att.net> wrote:
Not directly to your question, but to save yourself the hassle of hooking
up a charger, you might consider adding a solar panel to your plane.=C2-
For less than $20, you can get a 6"x12" panel that will deliver 100mA or so
.=C2- If you're only starting a couple times a week, you'd probably never
need to hunt down a charger.
On Wednesday, January 16, 2019, 2:08:15 PM EST, Ivan <hivanhaecker@gmai
l.com> wrote:
After 35 years of hand propping my C-85 engine, I have decided to install a
B & C=C2- starter. My plan is to use a light weight lithium battery for
starting only. I have no electrical system whatsoever. There will be no alt
ernator to recharge the battery. I would like to choose a battery that will
allow me a few starts (perhaps 6?) before needing to be be recharged on th
e ground. Any suggestions on what size / capacity battery I should be looki
ng for?
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http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List
http://forums.matronics.com
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Might not be needed with a small panel but Ebay has solar charging
modules specifically for charging 12 volt batteries. Bought one last
year for 3 or 4 dollars. Optimizes solar cell output and won't overcharge.
Ken
On 17/01/2019 6:30 PM, Ernest Christley wrote:
> They would only output about 14V Max. They don't have enough power to
> damage anything as I understood it, but that was with a lead acid
> battery. If you talking to the battery guys, ask them and let us know
> what they have to say about it.
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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>
> On Thu, Jan 17, 2019 at 2:10 PM, John Tipton
> <john@tiptonuk.eu> wrote:
> How do you regulate the charge with these things, can you over
> charge a battery
>
> John
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
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> On 17 Jan 2019, at 2:51 pm, Ernest Christley <echristley@att.net
> <mailto:echristley@att.net>> wrote:
>
>> Not directly to your question, but to save yourself the hassle of
>> hooking up a charger, you might consider adding a solar panel to
>> your plane. For less than $20, you can get a 6"x12" panel that
>> will deliver 100mA or so. If you're only starting a couple times
>> a week, you'd probably never need to hunt down a charger.
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 16, 2019, 2:08:15 PM EST, Ivan
>> <hivanhaecker@gmail.com <mailto:hivanhaecker@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> <hivanhaecker@gmail.com <mailto:hivanhaecker@gmail.com>>
>>
>> After 35 years of hand propping my C-85 engine, I have decided to
>> install a B & C starter. My plan is to use a light weight
>> lithium battery for starting only. I have no electrical system
>> whatsoever. There will be no alternator to recharge the battery.
>> I would like to choose a battery that will allow me a few starts
>> (perhaps 6?) before needing to be be recharged on the ground. Any
>> suggestions on what size / capacity battery I should be looking for?
>> <; - The AeroElectric-List Email Forum -
>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List
>> http://forums.matronics.com
>> -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
>> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>
>>
>>
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