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Sat 05/04/19


Total Messages Posted: 5



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     1. 01:03 AM - Re: IMPORTANCE OF ESSAY WRITING (meoos)
     2. 08:32 AM - Re: GRT EIS Issues When Transmitting (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
     3. 09:12 AM - Re: GRT EIS Issues When Transmitting (William Hunter)
     4. 10:43 AM - Re: AOG question and Shipping address for the AGM battery? (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
     5. 10:44 AM - Re: GRT EIS Issues When Transmitting (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
 
 
 


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    Time: 01:03:29 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: IMPORTANCE OF ESSAY WRITING
    From: "meoos" <lolayewe@linx.email>
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    Time: 08:32:16 AM PST US
    From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com>
    Subject: Re: GRT EIS Issues When Transmitting
    Greeting, I am posting for a friend who fly a Velocity?and I will get him to sign up for the Aeroelectric. His Question: I need help with further troubleshooting an anomaly. When I key the radio, all EGT & CHT temps drop about 25 degrees and stay there until the transmission is released at which time they return to normal. This is repeatable with the engine running or not. The EIS has been replaced with a brand new one. I have swapped radios on the antenna. Whichever radio is using the stbd antenna causes the anomaly. I inspected the antenna wire (RG-400) as much as possible without removing it. No wear or nicks. System, both EIS and radios have been flawless since installation in 2016. ALL instrumentation-grade electro-whizzies have SOME vulnerability to strong local radio energy. When design goals target installation in aircraft, the prudent designer will consider building a certain level of tolerance to radio energy. If the device is destined to fly in TC aircraft, then legacy qualification testing will have been conducted to verify the designer's successful achievement of design goals. I was unable to quickly locate any info on GRT claims for environmental robustness but they've been in the game for a long time. It seems likely that their products demonstrate adequate robustness to EM radiation. Further, the difficulty you're citing is a new condition which suggests a profound CHANGE in conditions between the antagonist/propagation-path/victim triad. As a general rule, electro-whizzies once demonstrated to meet design goals do not suddenly go "weak" with respect to electro-magnetic compatibility. This is why the FIRST line of investigation involves researching the propagation-path which generally consists of things 'hung out in the breeze' with respect to potential for damage or failure. The fact that one of two antennas is unique to the symptoms strongly suggests some CHANGE in the pathway between connector at the radio and the antenna itself. The first thing I do in these cases is check antenna SWR (and compare with other antenna). I think it likely that you'll find the 'bad' antenna has a much higher SWR. Damaged coax is the LEAST likely cause. Disconnection of either the center conductor or shield at the connectors is most likely. A very reasonable test tool for pursuing this investigation is seen here: https://tinyurl.com/y64t9nse Emacs! (caution, there are both VHF/UHF and HF versions . . . get the VHF/UHF device) You'll probably also need a two-pak of these adapters: https://tinyurl.com/y66wn6ua and a short BncM to BncM jumper cable https://tinyurl.com/y3b7lvfp Have even installed a ferrite sleeve on the cht/egt wire bundle. No change. Transmission and reception on the radio is loud and clear. Ferrite sleeves are marginally effective in meeting original design goals for EMC . . . we used to see these included in computer interconnect cables . . . Emacs! . . . but in the aviation world, they're considered an un-acceptable 'band-aid' to a problem that should be taken care of INSIDE the electro-whizzies. I don't even have such things in my inventory. I have a GRT EIS mounted [at the back of the copilot side of the airplane] on the floor. The wires run through the [fiberglass conduit] to the engine. The closest the antenna gets to the EIS is about 18 inches. I presume your talking about the ANTENNA COAX here . . . which should never be a factor in preventing/fixing an EMC problem. In the TC aircraft world, coax cables are routinely routed in bundles with the most vulnerable and antagonistic of wires on the aircraft. The coax itself can become problematic when it's improperly terminated as discussed above. Bob . . .


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    Time: 09:12:25 AM PST US
    From: William Hunter <billhuntersemail@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: GRT EIS Issues When Transmitting
    Bob, As always I am grateful for your help. I forwarded your response to my friend on the Velocity Owners Builders Association forum and encouraged him to join the aeroelectric list. A bunch of the VOBA guys are already here and I hope more will join up. I will report back on what he discovered the problem was. Thanks, Bill Hunter On Sat, May 4, 2019, 08:39 Robert L. Nuckolls, III < nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com> wrote: > Greeting, > > > I am posting for a friend who fly a Velocity?and I will get him to sign up > for the Aeroelectric. > > > His Question: > > I need help with further troubleshooting an anomaly. > When I key the radio, all EGT & CHT temps drop about > 25 degrees and stay there until the transmission is > released at which time they return to normal. This is > repeatable with the engine running or not. The EIS > has been replaced with a brand new one. I have swapped > radios on the antenna. Whichever radio is using > the stbd antenna causes the anomaly. I inspected > the antenna wire (RG-400) as much as possible without > removing it. No wear or nicks. System, both EIS and > radios have been flawless since installation in 2016. > > ALL instrumentation-grade electro-whizzies > have SOME vulnerability to strong local > radio energy. When design goals target > installation in aircraft, the prudent > designer will consider building > a certain level of tolerance to radio > energy. If the device is destined to > fly in TC aircraft, then legacy qualification > testing will have been conducted to verify > the designer's successful achievement of > design goals. > > I was unable to quickly locate any info > on GRT claims for environmental robustness > but they've been in the game for a long > time. It seems likely that their products > demonstrate adequate robustness to EM > radiation. > > Further, the difficulty you're citing > is a new condition which suggests a > profound CHANGE in conditions between > the antagonist/propagation-path/victim > triad. > > As a general rule, electro-whizzies once > demonstrated to meet design goals do > not suddenly go "weak" with respect > to electro-magnetic compatibility. > > This is why the FIRST line of investigation > involves researching the propagation-path > which generally consists of things 'hung > out in the breeze' with respect to > potential for damage or failure. The > fact that one of two antennas is unique > to the symptoms strongly suggests some > CHANGE in the pathway between connector > at the radio and the antenna itself. > > The first thing I do in these cases is > check antenna SWR (and compare with > other antenna). I think it likely that > you'll find the 'bad' antenna has a > much higher SWR. Damaged coax is the > LEAST likely cause. Disconnection of > either the center conductor or shield > at the connectors is most likely. > > A very reasonable test tool for pursuing > this investigation is seen here: > > https://tinyurl.com/y64t9nse > > [image: Emacs!] > > (caution, there are both VHF/UHF and > HF versions . . . get the VHF/UHF > device) > > You'll probably also need a two-pak > of these adapters: > > https://tinyurl.com/y66wn6ua > > and a short BncM to BncM jumper cable > > https://tinyurl.com/y3b7lvfp > > Have even installed a ferrite sleeve on the cht/egt > wire bundle. No change. Transmission and reception > on the radio is loud and clear. > > Ferrite sleeves are marginally effective > in meeting original design goals for > EMC . . . we used to see these included in > computer interconnect cables . . . > > [image: Emacs!] > . . . but in the aviation world, they're > considered an un-acceptable 'band-aid' > to a problem that should be taken care > of INSIDE the electro-whizzies. I don't > even have such things in my inventory. > > > I have a GRT EIS mounted [at the back of the copilot > side of the airplane] on the floor. The wires run through the > [fiberglass conduit] to the engine. > > > The closest the antenna gets to the EIS is about 18 inches. > > I presume your talking about the ANTENNA COAX > here . . . which should never be a factor > in preventing/fixing an EMC problem. > > In the TC aircraft world, coax cables are > routinely routed in bundles with the most > vulnerable and antagonistic of wires > on the aircraft. The coax itself can > become problematic when it's improperly > terminated as discussed above. > > Bob . . . >


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    Time: 10:43:01 AM PST US
    From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com>
    Subject: Re: AOG question and Shipping address for the AGM battery?
    At 10:58 AM 5/4/2019, you wrote: >Hi Bob,=C2 > >I've got a dead charging system away from home >but, before I ask about that, did you receive the battery I sent? I did and thank you so much . . . it's being evaluated as we speak before letting the Battery Minder do it's pixie-dust thing . . . >On to my charging system... It's a typical >external regulator configuration as shown on >your basic drawings.=C2 I recently repaired a >broken b-lead at the alternator and, with that >repair, I had to replace the regulator. The ANL >looked good visually but I did not test it.=C2 It tested good after repair.=C2 =C2 > >It worked for a 5.5 hr flight flight to Boulder >City Nevada. Though there was some cycling >visible on the load meter.=C2 The ANL blew on >next start.=C2 Cheap voltmeter measures zero ohms >from alt b+ output measured at the ship side of >the b+ lead (disconnected fro the rest of the >ship did wiring) I haven't pulled the alternator >yet..=C2 while I haven't confirmed there is not a >short on the b+ lead I think it unlikely.=C2 Do >alternator diodes fail shorted?=C2 If that >happens, is my new regulator toast?=C2 I was >hoping to fix it today but, sigh, I'm not sure I'll find everything I need... Yup, that's how they fail. The only way an ANL should pop is if you've got TWO or more diodes shorted. The broken b-lead deprived the regulator of information vital to keeping alternator output under control. The regulator would have full-fielded the alternator causing output to rise to many, many volts . . . in this case, more than the diodes could take . . . hence reverse voltage cascade and meltdown. Your new regulator is probably just fine. Bob . . .


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    Time: 10:44:50 AM PST US
    From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com>
    Subject: Re: GRT EIS Issues When Transmitting
    At 11:03 AM 5/4/2019, you wrote: >Bob,=C2 > >As always I am grateful for your help.=C2 > >I forwarded your response to my friend on the >Velocity Owners Builders Association forum and >encouraged him to join the aeroelectric >list.=C2 A bunch of the VOBA guys are already >here and I hope more will join up.=C2 > >I will report back on what he discovered the problem was. Please do . . . My missives are always based on best information I have at the time . . . but that doesn't rule out something-new-under-the-sun. Would be pleased to know the outcome. Bob . . .




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