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1. 04:07 AM - Re: Antenna Cable length (Art Zemon)
2. 05:35 AM - New Smartphone Apps for Pilots (rampil)
3. 06:08 AM - [OT] IFR-certified GPS Suggestions (GLEN MATEJCEK)
4. 06:51 AM - Re: [OT] IFR-certified GPS Suggestions (Charlie England)
5. 07:37 AM - Re: [OT] IFR-certified GPS Suggestions ()
6. 07:51 AM - Re: Antenna Cable length (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
7. 09:02 AM - Re: New Smartphone Apps for Pilots (Dick Tasker)
8. 09:21 AM - Re: [OT] IFR-certified GPS Suggestions (Kelly McMullen)
9. 09:21 AM - Re: New Smartphone Apps for Pilots (Charlie England)
10. 11:17 AM - Re: New Smartphone Apps for Pilots (rampil)
11. 01:12 PM - Re: [OT] IFR-certified GPS Suggestions (argoldman@aol.com)
12. 02:21 PM - Re: [OT] IFR-certified GPS Suggestions ()
13. 03:49 PM - Re: [OT] IFR-certified GPS Suggestions (argoldman@aol.com)
14. 05:20 PM - Re: [OT] IFR-certified GPS Suggestions (Kelly McMullen)
15. 06:34 PM - Re: [OT] IFR-certified GPS Suggestions (Kelly McMullen)
16. 07:01 PM - Re: ADS-B Preflight Requirements updated for GA (Jeff B.)
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| Subject: | Re: Antenna Cable length |
Mike,
For a communications radio, the distance on a GA airplane doesn't matter
much. You might, in a lab, be able to measure the difference in performance
of an antenna that is 2 feet vs 8 feet from the transmitter. Similarly, you
might be able to measure the difference in performance of an antenna on the
top vs the bottom of the fuselage. In the real world, probably not.
My advice: put your antenna where ever it looks cool. You will smile bigger
whenever you see your airplane and that counts for a lot.
What are you building?
-- Art Z.
On Thu, Jul 18, 2019 at 12:27 AM <mike@vision499.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
>
> I am about to cut my antenna to final length and want to confirm:
>
>
> a: if there is an optimal antenna length and
>
>
> b: if there is a minimum distance between radio and antenna.
>
>
> The radio is a MGL V16 remote mount
>
>
> I have 2 possible antenna position and want to test both, at the moment
> one is +/- 2 feet from the radio and the other +/- 8ft
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Mike
>
--
https://CheerfulCurmudgeon.com/
*Love the stranger for you yourselves were strangers in Egypt. *Deut. 10:19
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| Subject: | New Smartphone Apps for Pilots |
Greetings fellow Aviators!
As a long time, intermittent contributor to this forum, I thought this might be
of interest:
It has been quite a while since we started writing pilot apps for Apple smartphones
and iPads.
Our family of apps for aviation has grown into 11 very handy and unique tools for
people who fly
(or dream about it!). Here's a brief list of the Apps with links to the App Store
for more information
and a sampling of screen shots to see the apps in action.
The latest App is Runway Finder. This app was suggested by a buddy, a retired
Delta Captain who owns a Citabria.
He does a lot of cross country flying and complained that it was hard to find a
grass strip to use away from home base.
This App maps out airports by runway surface and type (Turf, Paved, Gravel, Water,
Glider, and Heliport).
Runway Finder has a built-in list of over 50,000 runways/airports world wide. It
is available on the Apple App store at:
https://apps.apple.com/app/airport-runway-finder/id1471923024
Plane Registry. A FREE app to lookup US-Registered aircraft from the live FAA database.
https://apps.apple.com/app/airport-runway-finder/id1471923024
Local METARS. A very handy weather app for local conditions. Just open the App
and it will display
the current METAR conditions at the closest reporting station. You get the option
to look out up to
100 miles and sort by bearing from your location. No more scrolling and endless
clicking to get the
Wx you need for local flying. This app works with world wide reporting stations.
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/local-metars/id1150644548
We also have a stand-alone version of Local METARS for the Apple Watch
https://apps.apple.com/app/local-metars-for-watch/id1447757207
Civil Twilight Calculator. CTC is a self-contained sunrise/sunset calculator for
use anywhere.
No calling home to the Naval Observatory! It doesnt need internet access at all.
Use it in
flight! It can tell you accurately when Civil Twilight occurs where you are, or
at an airport
around the world, on any day 50 years. If you do have internet, you can give it
a street
address and see the calculated times.
https://apps.apple.com/app/civil-twilight-calculator/id1163850946
We also have a stand-alone version for Apple Watch:
https://apps.apple.com/app/civil-twilight-for-watch/id1448137376
Aviation Altimeter (aka avAltimeter). Not a GPS altimeter like most on the App
Store, but a True
and Accurate barometric altimeter using the built-in sensors in iPhones after iPhone
6, or iPads
after the Mini-4. Has a Kollsman adjustment for ATC or METARs reports. Looks and
feels just like
the steam gauge in your panel, but with Smart features: Density Altitude, Oxygen
Warning timer,
and estimated aircraft Performance, auto-set at airport, etc.
https://apps.apple.com/app/avaltimeter/id1120306812
The stand-alone version for the Apple Watch:
https://apps.apple.com/app/aviation-altimeter-for-watch/id1434085253
VOR Navigator. Truly unique! A fully functional VOR and HSI navigator (using GPS,
not VHF). Includes
all current VOR and NDB transmitting stations plus a number of recently decommissioned
ones. Also
includes DME and ADF modes. The App will also home to all Large and Medium (Commercial)
airports.
Check out the Add Lightning mode for the ADF for a true vintage experience! This
is a single hybrid
App, which works on both iOS devices and the Apple Watch, each independently from
the other.
https://apps.apple.com/app/vor-navigator/id1451733763
Crosswinds Live. Another very unique and handy App. Crosswinds Live contains the
runway diagrams for
all registered airports world wide and will draw the current wind across the runways.
The wind information
comes from the METAR station closest to the airport. Also computes the headwind
& crosswind components
for flight planning.
https://apps.apple.com/app/crosswinds-live/id1240254020
Sun Compass. Compass broken? Lost on a hike? If you can see the Sun or the Moon,
this app for Apple Watch
can help you out. The Watch does not have a compass built in, but, using the GPS
and some fancy astronomy
calculations, this App will point to North, and show you your direction of travel.
For Watch only (iOS has builtin
magnetic compass hardware)
https://apps.apple.com/app/sun-compass-for-watch/id1448262474
Safe Flying!
--------
Ira N224XS
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=490378#490378
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| Subject: | [OT] IFR-certified GPS Suggestions |
>
> Hi Charlie et al-
> It's been a while since I had my fingers in this stuff, but isn't the
> requirement for certificated GPS only for terminal operations? IIRC,
> experimental GPS is fine for en route, but some other means is required for
> finding the runway.
TIA
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| Subject: | Re: [OT] IFR-certified GPS Suggestions |
I'm not IFR rated, and it's been weeks since I stayed in *any* hotel, so
I'm not qualified to answer that. But my layman's understanding is that you
can ask ATC for a 'heading' to fly direct to your IFR destination, and
they'd wink, nod, & give you the clearance. Many years ago, my airline
pilot Swift partner used to do that with a VFR LORAN receiver. Wouldn't be
the same thing as actually filing GPS-direct, but has the same effect.
You could be right about experimentals; I just haven't heard about it.
Charlie
On Thu, Jul 18, 2019 at 8:15 AM GLEN MATEJCEK <fly4grins@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Charlie et al-
>> It's been a while since I had my fingers in this stuff, but isn't the
>> requirement for certificated GPS only for terminal operations? IIRC,
>> experimental GPS is fine for en route, but some other means is required for
>> finding the runway.
>
> TIA
>
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| Subject: | [OT] IFR-certified GPS Suggestions |
I'm IFR rated, but only in helicopters (thanks, Uncle Sam!), but haven't
flown IFR in 35+ years. However, I do read a lot, and I probably have
stayed in a Holiday Inn at least once in the past year...
So here's the AIM section [AIM 1-1-17(b)(2)] that explains the rules:
https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/aim_html/chap1_section_1.html
And here's what that paragraph says:
Authorization to conduct any GPS operation under IFR requires:
(1) GPS navigation equipment used for IFR operations must be approved in
accordance with the requirements specified in Technical Standard Order
(TSO) TSO-C129(), TSO-C196(), TSO-C145(), or TSO-C146(), and the
installation must be done in accordance with Advisory Circular AC
20-138, Airworthiness Approval of Positioning and Navigation Systems.
Equipment approved in accordance with TSO-C115a does not meet the
requirements of TSO-C129. Visual flight rules (VFR) and hand-held GPS
systems are not authorized for IFR navigation, instrument approaches, or
as a principal instrument flight reference.
Jim Parker
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: [OT] IFR-certified GPS Suggestions
From: Charlie England <ceengland7@gmail.com>
I'm not IFR rated, and it's been weeks since I stayed in *any* hotel, so
I'm not qualified to answer that. But my layman's understanding is that
you can ask ATC for a 'heading' to fly direct to your IFR destination,
and they'd wink, nod, & give you the clearance. Many years ago, my
airline pilot Swift partner used to do that with a VFR LORAN receiver.
Wouldn't be the same thing as actually filing GPS-direct, but has the
same effect.
You could be right about experimentals; I just haven't heard about it.
Charlie
On Thu, Jul 18, 2019 at 8:15 AM GLEN MATEJCEK <fly4grins@gmail.com>
wrote:
Hi Charlie et al-
It's been a while since I had my fingers in this stuff, but isn't the
requirement for certificated GPS only for terminal operations? IIRC,
experimental GPS is fine for en route, but some other means is required
for finding the runway.TIA
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| Subject: | Re: Antenna Cable length |
At 06:06 AM 7/18/2019, you wrote:
>Mike,
>
>For a communications radio, the distance on a GA airplane doesn't
>matter much. You might, in a lab, be able to measure the difference
>in performance of an antenna that is 2 feet vs 8 feet from the
>transmitter. Similarly, you might be able to measure the difference
>in performance of an antenna on the top vs the bottom of the
>fuselage. In the real world, probably not.
Agreed
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: New Smartphone Apps for Pilots |
Some of these sound useful to me. When are you going to port them to Android?
rampil wrote:
>
> Greetings fellow Aviators!
>
> As a long time, intermittent contributor to this forum, I thought this might
be of interest:
>
> It has been quite a while since we started writing pilot apps for Apple smartphones
and iPads.
> Our family of apps for aviation has grown into 11 very handy and unique tools
for people who fly
> (or dream about it!). Here's a brief list of the Apps with links to the App Store
for more information
> and a sampling of screen shots to see the apps in action.
>
> The latest App is Runway Finder. This app was suggested by a buddy, a retired
Delta Captain who owns a Citabria.
> He does a lot of cross country flying and complained that it was hard to find
a grass strip to use away from home base.
> This App maps out airports by runway surface and type (Turf, Paved, Gravel, Water,
Glider, and Heliport).
> Runway Finder has a built-in list of over 50,000 runways/airports world wide.
It is available on the Apple App store at:
> https://apps.apple.com/app/airport-runway-finder/id1471923024
>
>
> Plane Registry. A FREE app to lookup US-Registered aircraft from the live FAA
database.
> https://apps.apple.com/app/airport-runway-finder/id1471923024
>
>
> Local METARS. A very handy weather app for local conditions. Just open the
App and it will display
> the current METAR conditions at the closest reporting station. You get the option
to look out up to
> 100 miles and sort by bearing from your location. No more scrolling and endless
clicking to get the
> Wx you need for local flying. This app works with world wide reporting stations.
> https://apps.apple.com/us/app/local-metars/id1150644548
>
> We also have a stand-alone version of Local METARS for the Apple Watch
> https://apps.apple.com/app/local-metars-for-watch/id1447757207
>
>
> Civil Twilight Calculator. CTC is a self-contained sunrise/sunset calculator
for use anywhere.
> No calling home to the Naval Observatory! It doesnt need internet access at all.
Use it in
> flight! It can tell you accurately when Civil Twilight occurs where you are,
or at an airport
> around the world, on any day 50 years. If you do have internet, you can give
it a street
> address and see the calculated times.
> https://apps.apple.com/app/civil-twilight-calculator/id1163850946
>
> We also have a stand-alone version for Apple Watch:
> https://apps.apple.com/app/civil-twilight-for-watch/id1448137376
>
>
> Aviation Altimeter (aka avAltimeter). Not a GPS altimeter like most on the App
Store, but a True
> and Accurate barometric altimeter using the built-in sensors in iPhones after
iPhone 6, or iPads
> after the Mini-4. Has a Kollsman adjustment for ATC or METARs reports. Looks
and feels just like
> the steam gauge in your panel, but with Smart features: Density Altitude, Oxygen
Warning timer,
> and estimated aircraft Performance, auto-set at airport, etc.
> https://apps.apple.com/app/avaltimeter/id1120306812
>
> The stand-alone version for the Apple Watch:
> https://apps.apple.com/app/aviation-altimeter-for-watch/id1434085253
>
>
> VOR Navigator. Truly unique! A fully functional VOR and HSI navigator (using
GPS, not VHF). Includes
> all current VOR and NDB transmitting stations plus a number of recently decommissioned
ones. Also
> includes DME and ADF modes. The App will also home to all Large and Medium (Commercial)
airports.
> Check out the Add Lightning mode for the ADF for a true vintage experience!
This is a single hybrid
> App, which works on both iOS devices and the Apple Watch, each independently
from the other.
> https://apps.apple.com/app/vor-navigator/id1451733763
>
>
> Crosswinds Live. Another very unique and handy App. Crosswinds Live contains
the runway diagrams for
> all registered airports world wide and will draw the current wind across the
runways. The wind information
> comes from the METAR station closest to the airport. Also computes the headwind
& crosswind components
> for flight planning.
> https://apps.apple.com/app/crosswinds-live/id1240254020
>
>
> Sun Compass. Compass broken? Lost on a hike? If you can see the Sun or the
Moon, this app for Apple Watch
> can help you out. The Watch does not have a compass built in, but, using the
GPS and some fancy astronomy
> calculations, this App will point to North, and show you your direction of travel.
For Watch only (iOS has builtin
> magnetic compass hardware)
> https://apps.apple.com/app/sun-compass-for-watch/id1448262474
>
> Safe Flying!
>
> --------
> Ira N224XS
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=490378#490378
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: [OT] IFR-certified GPS Suggestions |
There are more benefits to an actual IFR certified GPS. If you are
flying victor airways you are stuck with the published MEA. If you go
off-route, i.e. direct, you are limited to the controller's MEA, which
isn't published. IF you have an IFR GPS lower minimum altitudes are
published, often 1-2000 ft lower here in the West.
You can't file to navigate IFR by anything but certified
equipment...which means VOR/localizer in the lower 48 states in most
cases. In the flat lands you can easily ask for a vector on a specific
heading and usually get it. IF your destination, or any alternate you
need to divert to has a VOR/LOC/ILS, fine, but all the smaller airports
are limited pretty much to GPS, or VOR with high minimums.
Most approach and departure facilities have strict routing in and out of
the area, that they need you on. Usually airways on departures, and
unpublished arrival "gates" in between airways. So, most anything works
enroute, but in the terminal environment, when ever the weather makes
them busy, they don't have time for hand holding.
On 7/18/2019 6:37 AM, Charlie England wrote:
> I'm not IFR rated, and it's been weeks since I stayed in *any* hotel, so
> I'm not qualified to answer that. But my layman's understanding is that
> you can ask ATC for a 'heading' to fly direct to your IFR destination,
> and they'd wink, nod, & give you the clearance. Many years ago, my
> airline pilot Swift partner used to do that with a VFR LORAN receiver.
> Wouldn't be the same thing as actually filing GPS-direct, but has the
> same effect.
>
> You could be right about experimentals; I just haven't heard about it.
>
> Charlie
>
> On Thu, Jul 18, 2019 at 8:15 AM GLEN MATEJCEK <fly4grins@gmail.com
> <mailto:fly4grins@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi Charlie et al-
> It's been a while since I had my fingers in this stuff, but
> isn't the requirement for certificated GPS only for terminal
> operations? IIRC, experimental GPS is fine for en route, but
> some other means is required for finding the runway.
>
> TIA
>
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| Subject: | Re: New Smartphone Apps for Pilots |
Bingo!
On Thu, Jul 18, 2019 at 11:10 AM Dick Tasker <dick@thetaskerfamily.com>
wrote:
> dick@thetaskerfamily.com>
>
> Some of these sound useful to me. When are you going to port them to
> Android?
>
> rampil wrote:
>
> >
> > Greetings fellow Aviators!
> >
> > As a long time, intermittent contributor to this forum, I thought this
> might be of interest:
> >
> > It has been quite a while since we started writing pilot apps for Apple
> smartphones and iPads.
> > Our family of apps for aviation has grown into 11 very handy and unique
> tools for people who fly
> > (or dream about it!). Here's a brief list of the Apps with links to the
> App Store for more information
> > and a sampling of screen shots to see the apps in action.
> >
> > The latest App is Runway Finder. This app was suggested by a buddy, a
> retired Delta Captain who owns a Citabria.
> > He does a lot of cross country flying and complained that it was hard t
o
> find a grass strip to use away from home base.
> > This App maps out airports by runway surface and type (Turf, Paved,
> Gravel, Water, Glider, and Heliport).
> > Runway Finder has a built-in list of over 50,000 runways/airports world
> wide. It is available on the Apple App store at:
> > https://apps.apple.com/app/airport-runway-finder/id1471923024
> >
> >
> > Plane Registry. A FREE app to lookup US-Registered aircraft from the
> live FAA database.
> > https://apps.apple.com/app/airport-runway-finder/id1471923024
> >
> >
> > Local METARS. A very handy weather app for local conditions. Just ope
n
> the App and it will display
> > the current METAR conditions at the closest reporting station. You get
> the option to look out up to
> > 100 miles and sort by bearing from your location. No more scrolling and
> endless clicking to get the
> > Wx you need for local flying. This app works with world wide reporting
> stations.
> > https://apps.apple.com/us/app/local-metars/id1150644548
> >
> > We also have a stand-alone version of Local METARS for the Apple Watch
> > https://apps.apple.com/app/local-metars-for-watch/id1447757207
> >
> >
> >
> > Civil Twilight Calculator. CTC is a self-contained sunrise/sunset
> calculator for use anywhere.
> > No calling home to the Naval Observatory! It doesn=C3=A2=82=AC=84
=A2t need internet
> access at all. Use it in
> > flight! It can tell you accurately when Civil Twilight occurs where you
> are, or at an airport
> > around the world, on any day =C3=82=C2=B1 50 years. If you do have inte
rnet, you
> can give it a street
> > address and see the calculated times.
> > https://apps.apple.com/app/civil-twilight-calculator/id1163850946
> >
> > We also have a stand-alone version for Apple Watch:
> > https://apps.apple.com/app/civil-twilight-for-watch/id1448137376
> >
> >
> > Aviation Altimeter (aka avAltimeter). Not a GPS altimeter like most on
> the App Store, but a True
> > and Accurate barometric altimeter using the built-in sensors in iPhones
> after iPhone 6, or iPads
> > after the Mini-4. Has a Kollsman adjustment for ATC or METARs reports.
> Looks and feels just like
> > the steam gauge in your panel, but with Smart features: Density
> Altitude, Oxygen Warning timer,
> > and estimated aircraft Performance, auto-set at airport, etc.
> > https://apps.apple.com/app/avaltimeter/id1120306812
> >
> > The stand-alone version for the Apple Watch:
> > https://apps.apple.com/app/aviation-altimeter-for-watch/id1434085253
> >
> >
> > VOR Navigator. Truly unique! A fully functional VOR and HSI navigator
> (using GPS, not VHF). Includes
> > all current VOR and NDB transmitting stations plus a number of recently
> decommissioned ones. Also
> > includes DME and ADF modes. The App will also home to all Large and
> Medium (Commercial) airports.
> > Check out the =C3=A2=82=AC=C5=93Add Lightning=C3=A2=82=AC mode f
or the ADF for a true vintage
> experience! This is a single hybrid
> > App, which works on both iOS devices and the Apple Watch, each
> independently from the other.
> > https://apps.apple.com/app/vor-navigator/id1451733763
> >
> >
> > Crosswinds Live. Another very unique and handy App. Crosswinds Live
> contains the runway diagrams for
> > all registered airports world wide and will draw the current wind acros
s
> the runways. The wind information
> > comes from the METAR station closest to the airport. Also computes the
> headwind & crosswind components
> > for flight planning.
> > https://apps.apple.com/app/crosswinds-live/id1240254020
> >
> >
> > Sun Compass. Compass broken? Lost on a hike? If you can see the Sun o
r
> the Moon, this app for Apple Watch
> > can help you out. The Watch does not have a compass built in, but,
> using the GPS and some fancy astronomy
> > calculations, this App will point to North, and show you your direction
> of travel. For Watch only (iOS has builtin
> > magnetic compass hardware)
> > https://apps.apple.com/app/sun-compass-for-watch/id1448262474
> >
> > Safe Flying!
> >
> > --------
> > Ira N224XS
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=490378#490378
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | Re: New Smartphone Apps for Pilots |
Hi Guys,
At the moment, all the Aviametrix Apps are iOS or Apple Watch.
I am well aware of the size of the Android market.
There are three reasons:
First, the Google Play store is infested with Patent trolls who extort
Developers with frivolous lawsuits. This why you dont see XPlane
Or ForeFlight on Android.
Second, in the Android world there is a huge variety of hardware and
Sensors to support, and a lot of hardware would not have what is needed.
Third, we are a small development shop, concentrated on producing fine-
tuned, quality apps. Splitting effort for mastery of a new programming
Language, new operating system and UI interface, and new dev tools,
would significantly reduce our ability to produce excellent products.
Even cross-platform tools like Xamarin are no quick snap to master.
Things may change in the future. If so, we will make it known.
Fly safe! Enjoy AirVenture!
--------
Ira N224XS
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| Subject: | Re: [OT] IFR-certified GPS Suggestions |
Greetings all,
On a different but related subject,
Assume a Garmin GNS 430W talking to a Dynon Skyview through an ARINC 429 de
vice, and ADSB in and out
What, if anything is necessary for the EAB builder to get it certified for
IFR (enroute and approach) use as well as ADSB certification/verification?-
-- or can we just go fly in the system?Thanks in advanceRich
-----Original Message-----
From: Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com>
Sent: Thu, Jul 18, 2019 11:21 am
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: [OT] IFR-certified GPS Suggestions
m>
There are more benefits to an actual IFR certified GPS. If you are
flying victor airways you are stuck with the published MEA. If you go
off-route, i.e. direct, you are limited to the controller's MEA, which
isn't published. IF you have an IFR GPS lower minimum altitudes are
published, often 1-2000 ft lower here in the West.
You can't file to navigate IFR by anything but certified
equipment...which means VOR/localizer in the lower 48 states in most
cases. In the flat lands you can easily ask for a vector on a specific
heading and usually get it. IF your destination, or any alternate you
need to divert to has a VOR/LOC/ILS, fine, but all the smaller airports
are limited pretty much to GPS, or VOR with high minimums.
Most approach and departure facilities have strict routing in and out of
the area, that they need you on. Usually airways on departures, and
unpublished arrival "gates" in between airways. So, most anything works
enroute, but in the terminal environment, when ever the weather makes
them busy, they don't have time for hand holding.
On 7/18/2019 6:37 AM, Charlie England wrote:
> I'm not IFR rated, and it's been weeks since I stayed in *any* hotel, so
> I'm not qualified to answer that. But my layman's understanding is that
> you can ask ATC for a 'heading' to fly direct to your IFR destination,
> and they'd wink, nod, & give you the clearance. Many years ago, my
> airline pilot Swift partner used to do that with a VFR LORAN receiver.
> Wouldn't be the same thing as actually filing GPS-direct, but has the
> same effect.
>
> You could be right about experimentals; I just haven't heard about it.
>
> Charlie
>
> On Thu, Jul 18, 2019 at 8:15 AM GLEN MATEJCEK <fly4grins@gmail.com
> <mailto:fly4grins@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- Hi Charlie et al-
>=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- It's been a while since I had my fingers in th
is stuff, but
>=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- isn't the requirement for certificated GPS onl
y for terminal
>=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- operations?=C2- IIRC, experimental GPS is fi
ne for en route, but
>=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- some other means is required for finding the r
unway.
>
>=C2- =C2- TIA
>
-
S -
WIKI -
-
=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
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| Subject: | [OT] IFR-certified GPS Suggestions |
If the "Operating Limitations" document that was issued to you by the
FAA (DAR?) include the IFR approval, you can just go fly. If not, you
have to petition for a new Operating Limitations" document to be issued
that does include that wording.
Odds are that the FAA will want a DAR sign-off. But given what you have
in your plane, that should be just a formality. (Assuming, of course,
you already meet the VFR Day/Night requirements as well, since those are
prerequisites to IFR approval.)
Jim Parker
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: [OT] IFR-certified GPS Suggestions
From: argoldman@aol.com
Greetings all,
On a different but related subject,
Assume a Garmin GNS 430W talking to a Dynon Skyview through an ARINC 429
device, and ADSB in and out
What, if anything is necessary for the EAB builder to get it certified
for IFR (enroute and approach) use as well as ADSB
certification/verification?--- or can we just go fly in the system?
Thanks in advance
Rich
-----Original Message-----
From: Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com>
To: aeroelectric-list <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Thu, Jul 18, 2019 11:21 am
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: [OT] IFR-certified GPS Suggestions
<kellym@aviating.com>
There are more benefits to an actual IFR certified GPS. If you are
flying victor airways you are stuck with the published MEA. If you go
off-route, i.e. direct, you are limited to the controller's MEA, which
isn't published. IF you have an IFR GPS lower minimum altitudes are
published, often 1-2000 ft lower here in the West.
You can't file to navigate IFR by anything but certified
equipment...which means VOR/localizer in the lower 48 states in most
cases. In the flat lands you can easily ask for a vector on a specific
heading and usually get it. IF your destination, or any alternate you
need to divert to has a VOR/LOC/ILS, fine, but all the smaller airports
are limited pretty much to GPS, or VOR with high minimums.
Most approach and departure facilities have strict routing in and out of
the area, that they need you on. Usually airways on departures, and
unpublished arrival "gates" in between airways. So, most anything works
enroute, but in the terminal environment, when ever the weather makes
them busy, they don't have time for hand holding.
On 7/18/2019 6:37 AM, Charlie England wrote:
> I'm not IFR rated, and it's been weeks since I stayed in *any* hotel, so
> I'm not qualified to answer that. But my layman's understanding is that
> you can ask ATC for a 'heading' to fly direct to your IFR destination,
> and they'd wink, nod, & give you the clearance. Many years ago, my
> airline pilot Swift partner used to do that with a VFR LORAN receiver.
> Wouldn't be the same thing as actually filing GPS-direct, but has the
> same effect.
>
> You could be right about experimentals; I just haven't heard about it.
>
> Charlie
>
> On Thu, Jul 18, 2019 at 8:15 AM GLEN MATEJCEK <fly4grins@gmail.com
> <mailto:fly4grins@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi Charlie et al-
> It's been a while since I had my fingers in this stuff, but
> isn't the requirement for certificated GPS only for terminal
> operations? IIRC, experimental GPS is fine for en route, but
> some other means is required for finding the runway.
>
> TIA
>
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| Subject: | Re: [OT] IFR-certified GPS Suggestions |
Thanks, Somewhere in the back of my mind is that there is a procedure that
you have to go through to verify that the adsb is operating correctly. Pla
ne not flying yet-- almost done (15 years).
Rich
-----Original Message-----
From: jim <jim@PoogieBearRanch.com>
Sent: Thu, Jul 18, 2019 4:22 pm
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: [OT] IFR-certified GPS Suggestions
If the "Operating Limitations" document that was issued to you by the
FAA (DAR?) include the IFR approval, you can just go fly.=C2- If not, you
have to petition for a new Operating Limitations" document to be issued
that does include that wording.=C2-
Odds are that the FAA will want a DAR sign-off.=C2- But given what you ha
ve
in your plane, that should be just a formality.=C2- (Assuming, of course,
you already meet the VFR Day/Night requirements as well, since those are
prerequisites to IFR approval.)
Jim Parker
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: [OT] IFR-certified GPS Suggestions
From: argoldman@aol.com
=C2- Greetings all,
On a different but related subject,
Assume a Garmin GNS 430W talking to a Dynon Skyview through an ARINC 429
device, and ADSB in and out
What, if anything is necessary for the EAB builder to get it certified
for IFR (enroute and approach) use as well as ADSB
certification/verification?--- or can we just go fly in the system?
Thanks in advance
Rich
-----Original Message-----
From: Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com>
To: aeroelectric-list <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Thu, Jul 18, 2019 11:21 am
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: [OT] IFR-certified GPS Suggestions
<kellym@aviating.com>
There are more benefits to an actual IFR certified GPS. If you are
flying victor airways you are stuck with the published MEA. If you go
off-route, i.e. direct, you are limited to the controller's MEA, which
isn't published. IF you have an IFR GPS lower minimum altitudes are
published, often 1-2000 ft lower here in the West.
You can't file to navigate IFR by anything but certified
equipment...which means VOR/localizer in the lower 48 states in most
cases. In the flat lands you can easily ask for a vector on a specific
heading and usually get it. IF your destination, or any alternate you
need to divert to has a VOR/LOC/ILS, fine, but all the smaller airports
are limited pretty much to GPS, or VOR with high minimums.
Most approach and departure facilities have strict routing in and out of
the area, that they need you on. Usually airways on departures, and
unpublished arrival "gates" in between airways. So, most anything works
enroute, but in the terminal environment, when ever the weather makes
them busy, they don't have time for hand holding.
On 7/18/2019 6:37 AM, Charlie England wrote:
> I'm not IFR rated, and it's been weeks since I stayed in *any* hotel, so
> I'm not qualified to answer that. But my layman's understanding is that
> you can ask ATC for a 'heading' to fly direct to your IFR destination,
> and they'd wink, nod, & give you the clearance. Many years ago, my
> airline pilot Swift partner used to do that with a VFR LORAN receiver.
> Wouldn't be the same thing as actually filing GPS-direct, but has the
> same effect.
>
> You could be right about experimentals; I just haven't heard about it.
>
> Charlie
>
> On Thu, Jul 18, 2019 at 8:15 AM GLEN MATEJCEK <fly4grins@gmail.com
> <mailto:fly4grins@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- Hi Charlie et al-
>=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- It's been a while since I had my fingers in th
is stuff, but
>=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- isn't the requirement for certificated GPS onl
y for terminal
>=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- operations?=C2- IIRC, experimental GPS is fi
ne for en route, but
>=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- some other means is required for finding the r
unway.
>
>=C2- =C2- TIA
>
-
S -
WIKI -
-
=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
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| Subject: | Re: [OT] IFR-certified GPS Suggestions |
This comes up from time to time. Most operating limitations in the past
15 years require the 91.205(b) Day VFR equipment, and then state that to
fly at night VFR you must meet 91.205(c) and to fly IFR must meet 91.205
(d) requirements. Of course you have to altimeter certified to IFR
standards and static system that meets the leak down requirements.
Everything else is dependent on the airspace you will fly in, what
ground nav equipment you will utilize, etc. GPS certification is by the
manufacturer and the manufacturer's instructions.
Essentially, there is no airframe certification requirement, it is the
certification of required equipment that is to be installed.
ADSB is not an IFR requirement, it is an airspace requirement. You have
to install ADS-B equipment that meets the performance requirements of
the TSO. Certification is same as transponder, plus it is wise to get
the email report that it is working correctly.
As for sign off....none required, but because some of the equipment
install may be considered "major" under your operating limitations, you
may need to place a call to the FSDO to get how many hours they want you
to do Phase I testing of the changed equipment. You will spend more than
they required learning any IFR GPS.
On 7/18/2019 1:57 PM, jim@PoogieBearRanch.com wrote:
>
> If the "Operating Limitations" document that was issued to you by the
> FAA (DAR?) include the IFR approval, you can just go fly. If not, you
> have to petition for a new Operating Limitations" document to be issued
> that does include that wording.
>
> Odds are that the FAA will want a DAR sign-off. But given what you have
> in your plane, that should be just a formality. (Assuming, of course,
> you already meet the VFR Day/Night requirements as well, since those are
> prerequisites to IFR approval.)
>
> Jim Parker
>
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: [OT] IFR-certified GPS Suggestions
> From: argoldman@aol.com
> Date: Thu, July 18, 2019 3:10 pm
> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
>
> Greetings all,
>
>
> On a different but related subject,
>
>
>
> Assume a Garmin GNS 430W talking to a Dynon Skyview through an ARINC 429
> device, and ADSB in and out
>
> What, if anything is necessary for the EAB builder to get it certified
> for IFR (enroute and approach) use as well as ADSB
> certification/verification?--- or can we just go fly in the system?
> Thanks in advance
> Rich
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: [OT] IFR-certified GPS Suggestions |
It depends....if you are talking a new 1090ES transponder/ADSB, or
adding a UAT ADSB to existing currently certified transponder. There is
certification of any transponder, at install and every 2 years. Doesn't
hurt anything but your wallet to have avionics shop do a ramp check and
certify the transponder/encoder for VFR. ADSB is separate.
You need to ensure that all of the parameter programing is correct, for
tail number, aircraft size and speed. Then you fly in "rule airspace"
which can be under/over Class C or Class B "mode C 3o mile radius" or
just go up to 10,000 feet most anywhere not real close to mountains.
Then request a report via email. You don't have to do it, but if you
don't, and something isn't right, you will get a letter telling you that
you aren't meeting requirements.
On 7/18/2019 3:48 PM, argoldman@aol.com wrote:
> Thanks, Somewhere in the back of my mind is that there is a procedure
> that you have to go through to verify that the adsb is operating
> correctly. Plane not flying yet-- almost done (15 years)Disappointed.
>
> Rich
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| Subject: | Re: ADS-B Preflight Requirements updated for GA |
Correct me if I'm wrong, I believe WAAS is a type of SBAS (Satellite Based
Augmentation System), and reading AC-90-114a already says this:
c. GPS Performance Prediction. Operators flying aircraft equipped with SBAS
(TSO-C145 or TSO-C146) receivers do not need to conduct a preflight
availability prediction
because the FAA will issue a NOTAM whenever SBAS performance is not
adequate. If
TSO-C129() or TSO-C196() equipment is used for ADS-B Out, NACp and NIC
availability
prediction should be performed for the intended route of flight (route and
time) using available
GPS satellite information.
So, my interpretation is:
You need:
1. =9CAll available information concerning flight=9D (=C2=A7 91
.103) (the standard
catch-all)
2. Check NOTAMS for SBAS outages.
-Jeff-
On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 9:23 AM Harley Dixon <harley@agelesswings.com>
wrote:
> Just saw this on AVWeb...
>
> The FAA will issue a Notam
> <https://www.faa.gov/nextgen/equipadsb/resources/media/guidance_adsb_out_
operations.pdf>
> on Thursday that will essentially exempt general aviation aircraft
> operators from an ADS-B preflight requirement when the ADS-B mandate kick
s
> in next January. The Notam specifically exempts ADS-B Out transmitters th
at
> use WAAS GPS receivers as a position source from the preflight requiremen
t
> described in an FAA policy statement that was released earlier this month
.
> The Notam reads: =9CIt is not necessary for operators of aircraft e
quipped
> with the Wide Area Augmentation System (WAAS) (TSO=88=92C145 or TSO
=88=92C146)
> receivers to conduct a preflight availability prediction.=9D
>
> Garmin spokesman Bill Stone told *AVweb* the preflight requirement was
> always intended for airliners, most of which have early-generation GPS
> systems that are not as reliably precise as those with WAAS. All ADS-B
> units certified for GA aircraft for the 2020 mandate must use a WAAS GPS
> receiver as a position source. =9CThere are currently zero non-WAAS
based
> ADS-B Out GPS solutions for general aviation aircraft,=9D he said.
=9CFor GA,
> it=99s a non-issue.=9D Stone said he suspects the WAAS exempt
ion got lost in
> the extensive vetting process that policy statements like the preflight
> requirements included in the recent Federal Register Notice go through. T
he
> original intent of the policy statement was to codify exemptions from
> sanctions for airlines when GPS signals degrade after they=99ve don
e the
> preflight checks and the subsequent lack of compliance is beyond their
> control.
>
> Harley
>
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