---------------------------------------------------------- AeroElectric-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 04/14/20: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:39 AM - How to activate office 2007 and 2019? (john_kelly) 2. 08:39 AM - Re: Re: New role for the E-Bus? (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 3. 08:41 AM - Re: Aircraft Tug (Joe Motis) 4. 11:57 AM - Re: Aircraft Tug () 5. 01:06 PM - Re: Aircraft Tug (Joe Motis) 6. 04:55 PM - Re: New role for the E-Bus? (Eric Page) 7. 05:26 PM - Re: Re: New role for the E-Bus? (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 8. 06:51 PM - Re: New role for the E-Bus? (bcone1381) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:39:53 AM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: How to activate office 2007 and 2019? From: "john_kelly" If you looking for Microsoft Office download, install and activate follow the instructions by our instructor with no doubt. (I) Go to office.com/setup (https://officemyoffice.com/) (II) Enter Office setup product key (III) Select Office "version" Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=495809#495809 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:39:48 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: New role for the E-Bus? I've been working on three new z-figures between wrestling bouts with my dad's '87 GMC pickup truck (fuel pump died . . . as long as I have to pull the whole tank to replace the pump, I'm replacing EVERYTHING . . . I'm down to the last two fasteners holding the tank supports on the frame . . . 30+ years of rust . . . Impact wrench won't budge 'em. Been soaking with penetrating oil but about resigned to cutting the nuts off with an air-chisel!) I've posted the latest iterations of the drawings we've been combing out here over the past couple of months. Z100 at https://tinyurl.com/sfsbd2t This is the generic architecture that's been flown successfully in hundreds of thousands of airplanes in the TC and OBAM aviation worlds. This drawing could have been in Tony Bengelis books . . . same as a C150 sans avionics bus (which was never a good idea anyhow). Then: Z101 at https://tinyurl.com/v9w7g4r This is Z100 any combination of 4 options: (1) Robust AUX Alternator (2) Dual feed, triple source ENGINE bus to support electrically dependent engine and ancillary instrumentation. (3) A CLEARANCE DELIVERY bus that offers a means for powering up JUST the COMM transceiver for preflight planning (4) A brownout boost feature on the CD bus to support wobbly electro-whizzies vulnerable to unacceptable reset during starter inrush interval. Then: Z101/8 at https://tinyurl.com/vanp6yu Essentially the same as Z101 except for a smaller AUX alternator in lieu of the bigger rascal depicted in Z101. This configuration offers all the features and reliability with reduced weight and cost over Z101 where the builder's anticipated loads under failure of main alternator are modest. The way the AUX ALT is set up on these drawings makes it easy to upgrade from a /8 to the larger alternator as later needs dictate. These drawings depict variations suggested in a constellation of Z-figures . . . a kind of LEGO approach to acquiring capabilities of any legacy z-figure at the simplest, lightest, lowest cost yet failure tolerant architecturs. Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:41:09 AM PST US From: Joe Motis Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Aircraft Tug With The lead acid batteries right where the trailer hitch ball was I think never had a traction problem. And that pulling my friends big twin 2 I would just pulling my Cherokee 180 with it and that thing would drag it all over the air Park the benefit to use in one of those old Mobility devices in my opinion was that everything was there it was geared down it was meant to drag around a 300-pound person it had proportional forward and reverse controls and a charger built in On Mon, Apr 13, 2020, 9:36 PM wrote: > Just a quick question, why did you not keep the seat, would it not improv e > traction if you had the extra weight? > > > Thanks > > > Mike > > > *From:* owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com < > owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com> *On Behalf Of *Joe Motis > *Sent:* April 12, 2020 12:56 PM > *To:* aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: AeroElectric-List: Aircraft Tug > > > Her you go Mike > > [image: 1014001835[1].jpg]I could not find another picture but I mounted > a trailer hitch ball on to of the frame right behind the batteries and > fabricated a tow bar with a hitch connector on it. Works excellent. > > > On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 12:42 PM wrote: > > > Hello all > > > I=99m looking at building a 12v battery operated aircraft tug, not a ride > on just a walk with. My max aircraft weight will be about 1800 lbs. > > > I am looking for advise on what size motor I will need. There are a few > 12v motors for sale on ebay but they are not rated in hp so am not sure o f > what specs I=99m looking at. > > > One thought was to use a car starter motor but that is not rated for > continuous service but the farthest I will go with the tug is 100 yds and > I=99m not sure if it will cope with that distance. A friend has als o > suggested converting an alternator into a motor, not sure what that > entails. Ebay has scooter motors with a speed controller that seems idea l > but not sure if that will be powerful enough but it will be geared right > down. > > > I look forward to hearing your thoughts and ideas > > > Thanks > > > Mike > > > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:57:42 AM PST US From: Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Aircraft Tug Thank you very much, you have convinced me, I was looking forward to buildi ng a tug from scratch but it will be a lot cheaper and easier to adapt a mo bility scooter I am looking for a used one to convert, will let you know how it turns out Thanks again Mike From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com On Behalf Of Joe Motis Sent: April 14, 2020 8:37 AM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Aircraft Tug With The lead acid batteries right where the trailer hitch ball was I think never had a traction problem. And that pulling my friends big twin 2 I wou ld just pulling my Cherokee 180 with it and that thing would drag it all ov er the air Park the benefit to use in one of those old Mobility devices in my opinion was that everything was there it was geared down it was meant to drag around a 300-pound person it had proportional forward and reverse con trols and a charger built in On Mon, Apr 13, 2020, 9:36 PM > wrote: Just a quick question, why did you not keep the seat, would it not improve traction if you had the extra weight? Thanks Mike From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com > On Behalf Of Joe Motis Sent: April 12, 2020 12:56 PM > Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Aircraft Tug Her you go Mike I could not find another picture but I mounted a trailer hitch ball on to o f the frame right behind the batteries and fabricated a tow bar with a hitc h connector on it. Works excellent. On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 12:42 PM > wrote: Hello all I=99m looking at building a 12v battery operated aircraft tug, not a ride on just a walk with. My max aircraft weight will be about 1800 lbs. I am looking for advise on what size motor I will need. There are a few 12v motors for sale on ebay but they are not rated in hp so am not sure of wha t specs I=99m looking at. One thought was to use a car starter motor but that is not rated for contin uous service but the farthest I will go with the tug is 100 yds and I =99m not sure if it will cope with that distance. A friend has also suggest ed converting an alternator into a motor, not sure what that entails. Ebay has scooter motors with a speed controller that seems ideal but not sure i f that will be powerful enough but it will be geared right down. I look forward to hearing your thoughts and ideas Thanks Mike Virus-free. www.avast.com -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:06:16 PM PST US From: Joe Motis Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Aircraft Tug Certainly my pleasure good luck! On Tue, Apr 14, 2020, 12:04 PM wrote: > Thank you very much, you have convinced me, I was looking forward to > building a tug from scratch but it will be a lot cheaper and easier to > adapt a mobility scooter > > > I am looking for a used one to convert, will let you know how it turns ou t > > > Thanks again > > > Mike > > > *From:* owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com < > owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com> *On Behalf Of *Joe Motis > *Sent:* April 14, 2020 8:37 AM > *To:* aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: AeroElectric-List: Aircraft Tug > > > With The lead acid batteries right where the trailer hitch ball was I > think never had a traction problem. And that pulling my friends big twin 2 > I would just pulling my Cherokee 180 with it and that thing would drag it > all over the air Park the benefit to use in one of those old Mobility > devices in my opinion was that everything was there it was geared down it > was meant to drag around a 300-pound person it had proportional forward a nd > reverse controls and a charger built in > > > On Mon, Apr 13, 2020, 9:36 PM wrote: > > Just a quick question, why did you not keep the seat, would it not improv e > traction if you had the extra weight? > > > Thanks > > > Mike > > > *From:* owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com < > owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com> *On Behalf Of *Joe Motis > *Sent:* April 12, 2020 12:56 PM > *To:* aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: AeroElectric-List: Aircraft Tug > > > Her you go Mike > > [image: 1014001835[1].jpg]I could not find another picture but I mounted > a trailer hitch ball on to of the frame right behind the batteries and > fabricated a tow bar with a hitch connector on it. Works excellent. > > > On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 12:42 PM wrote: > > > Hello all > > > I=99m looking at building a 12v battery operated aircraft tug, not a ride > on just a walk with. My max aircraft weight will be about 1800 lbs. > > > I am looking for advise on what size motor I will need. There are a few > 12v motors for sale on ebay but they are not rated in hp so am not sure o f > what specs I=99m looking at. > > > One thought was to use a car starter motor but that is not rated for > continuous service but the farthest I will go with the tug is 100 yds and > I=99m not sure if it will cope with that distance. A friend has als o > suggested converting an alternator into a motor, not sure what that > entails. Ebay has scooter motors with a speed controller that seems idea l > but not sure if that will be powerful enough but it will be geared right > down. > > > I look forward to hearing your thoughts and ideas > > > Thanks > > > Mike > > > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:55:56 PM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: New role for the E-Bus? From: "Eric Page" Bob, I like these architectures a lot, and I think they'd work very well in the day/night VFR Kitfox I plan to build, hopefully one day soon. They're easy to understand, which would make them easy to install, operate and maintain. Low parts count and simplicity would offer high reliability. They look like winners to me. I just noticed a couple of minor quibbles: 1. In all three drawings, the legends show a small square symbol indicating "2AWG EQUAL STRAP," but this symbol does not appear to be used in the drawings. 2. In Z101 and Z101/8, naming of the CD BUS is inconsistent. The actual bus is labeled "CLRNC DELVRY," but the feeds from the diode bridge and the BATTERY BUS are labeled "B.O. BUS." Cheers, Eric Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=495823#495823 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:26:18 PM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: New role for the E-Bus? At 06:52 PM 4/14/2020, you wrote: > >I just noticed a couple of minor quibbles: > >1. In all three drawings, the legends show a small square symbol >indicating "2AWG EQUAL STRAP," but this symbol does not appear to be >used in the drawings. Yes, those are boiler-plate notes from the suit of legacy drawings. Also, there's a 'fat wire tie point' adjacent to the battery contactor. When stacking lots of terminals on the stud of a contactor, there is competition for wire orientation off the stud. Further, many studs are too short to accept the full stack of terminals. Nonetheless, contactors offer robust tie points for multiple wires . . . particularly fat ones. I'm pondering options for a DIY 'stud expander' suitable for bringing too many wires together at the contactor. Still hashing out some options. Watch this space. >2. In Z101 and Z101/8, naming of the CD BUS is inconsistent. The >actual bus is labeled "CLRNC DELVRY," but the feeds from the diode >bridge and the BATTERY BUS are labeled "B.O. BUS." Yeah, that bus will service numerous design goals that range from the simple, single accessory (comm) tasked with clearance delivery. It could become an ENDURANCE BUS for ships with no AUX ALTERNATOR . . . and yes, if some of your accessories are plagued with brown-out reset issues, then it could be called a BROWN-OUT bus . . . or some combination of all three tasks. Perhaps POLYBUS is a better term that embraces all the goals? I think these drawings have potential for replacing many of the legacy z-drawings but they will require a comprehensive narrative to guide new user's selection and implementation of features. Thanks for taking the time to review and comment. These drawings may be up to P10 before they get offered as best recommendations! Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:51:42 PM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: New role for the E-Bus? From: "bcone1381" Z100 has With Endurance and Brownout Bus in its title, but I don't see them in the drawing. -------- Brooks Cone Bearhawk Patrol Kit Build Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=495825#495825 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message aeroelectric-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/AeroElectric-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/aeroelectric-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/aeroelectric-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.