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1. 08:59 AM - Re: John Deere VR (William Daniell)
2. 09:43 AM - Deere Volt reg (William Daniell)
3. 10:28 AM - Re: Deere Volt reg (user9253)
4. 10:38 AM - Re: John Deere VR (Gilles Thesee)
5. 11:01 AM - Re: Re: Deere Volt reg (William Daniell)
6. 11:41 AM - Re: Re: Deere Volt reg (Gilles Thesee)
7. 11:49 AM - Re: Re: Deere Volt reg (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
8. 12:13 PM - Re: Re: Deere Volt reg (Gilles Thesee)
9. 01:29 PM - Flight Widgets PM Generator (Marty Hill)
10. 01:51 PM - Re: Flight Widgets PM Generator (Gilles Thesee)
11. 01:54 PM - Re: Flight Widgets PM Generator (Ernest Christley)
12. 02:49 PM - Re: Deere Volt reg (user9253)
13. 04:39 PM - For want of 'gas tight' . . . (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
14. 05:01 PM - Re: For want of 'gas tight' . . . (Christopher Cee Stone)
15. 05:13 PM - Re: For want of 'gas tight' . . . (Ken Ryan)
16. 06:46 PM - Re: For want of 'gas tight' . . . (Art Zemon)
17. 07:07 PM - Re: Re: Deere Volt reg (Gilles Thesee)
18. 07:23 PM - Re: Re: Deere Volt reg (Gilles Thesee)
19. 07:25 PM - Re: For want of 'gas tight' . . . (Neal George)
20. 07:27 PM - Re: For want of 'gas tight' . . . (Jeff Luckey)
21. 08:16 PM - Re: crimp multiple wires into one terminal (johnbright)
22. 08:41 PM - Re: Flight Widgets PM Generator (ashleysc@broadstripe.net)
23. 09:32 PM - Re: For want of 'gas tight' . . . (johnbright)
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| Subject: | Re: John Deere VR |
So my research indicates
AC = Yellow rotax wires output from ALT
B+ = +B = battery
I believe that on the Ducati R and +B are connected internally.
IGW = C = Switch
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William Daniell
LONGPORT
+1 786 878 0246
On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 7:45 PM William Daniell <wdaniell.longport@gmail.co
m>
wrote:
> I originally bought this as a back up to carry in my flying tool/spares
> pack. I thought it might be a good idea to know how to install it.
> thanks
> Will
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> [image: image.png]
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> William Daniell
> +1 786 878 0246
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> On Wed, May 13, 2020, 19:03 Robert L. Nuckolls, III <
> nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com> wrote:
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>> At 04:51 PM 5/13/2020, you wrote:
>>
>> Dear list
>> Can someone direct me to a definitive wiring guide for the JD voltage
>> regulator.=C3=82 =C3=82 Ive found=C3=82 it in the past but cant=C3=82 f
ind it now.
>> Thanks
>> Will
>> William Daniell
>> LONGPORT
>> +1 786 878 0246
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>>
>> what's the part number on your
>> regulator.
>>
>>
>> Bob . . .
>>
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So my research indicates
Deere AC = Yellow rotax wires output from ALT
Deere B+ = Rotax +B = battery
I believe that on the Ducati R and +B are connected internally.
Deere IGW = rotax C = Switch
William Daniell
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| Subject: | Re: Deere Volt reg |
Your post is correct.
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Joe Gores
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=496347#496347
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| Subject: | Re: John Deere VR |
/Le 14/05/2020 17:54, William Daniell a crit:
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> /So my researchindicates/
> /
> /
> /AC = Yellow rotax wires outputfrom ALT /
> /
> /
> /B+ = +B = battery/
> /
> /
> /I believe that on the Ducati R and +B are connected internally./
Will,
Yes they are.
http://contrails.free.fr/elec_ducati_en.php
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Best regards,
Gilles
http://contrails.free.fr
http://lapierre.skunkworks.free.fr
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| Subject: | Re: Deere Volt reg |
Thanks joe and giles.
As far as i can see there seems to be a consensus that ducati and jd are
equivalent in terms of quality and durability.
(In the 80s i have a mate with duke 900ss. Lovely bike but never worked
in the rain thanks to ducati electrics. This was somewhat of a
disadvantage in the English climate.)
Silent hectic seems to be the optimum solution.
Thanks to all
Will
William Daniell
+1 786 878 0246
On Thu, May 14, 2020, 13:35 user9253 <fransew@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Your post is correct.
>
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> Joe Gores
>
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=496347#496347
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| Subject: | Re: Deere Volt reg |
/Le 14/05/2020 19:56, William Daniell a crit:
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> /
> /
> /Silent hectic seems to be the optimum solution./
Will,
It depends on what you're looking for.
We tried the Silent Hektik (the only model produced currently is the
4118), and were disappointed : it took a ~20 minute flight before the
device started recharging the batteries.
According to the manufacturer, it is intentional : as many builders are
using Lithium batteries, Silent Hektik plays safe with a "5-step
charging law".
As we cannot aford to take off with the low Volt alarms flashing, we
changed for the new Schicke GR6 which charges as soon as the engine runs.
So the Silent Hektik doesn't fit *our* needs.
Some info here : http://contrails.free.fr/elec_regul_change.php
BTW, Silent Hektik advised us to "lower the low-voltage alarm threshold
to 12.5V"...
FWIW
--
Best regards,
Gilles
http://contrails.free.fr
http://lapierre.skunkworks.free.fr
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| Subject: | Re: Deere Volt reg |
At 01:36 PM 5/14/2020, you wrote:
>Le 14/05/2020 =C3 19:56, William Daniell a =C3=A9crit=C2 :
>>
>>Silent hectic seems to be the optimum solution.
>
>Will,
>
>It depends on what you're looking for.
>
>We tried the Silent Hektik (the only model
>produced currently is the 4118), and were
>disappointed : it took=C2 a ~20 minute flight
>before the device started recharging the batteries.
>
>According to the manufacturer, it is intentional
>: as many builders are using Lithium batteries,
>Silent Hektik plays safe with a "5-step charging law".
Interesting data point!
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Deere Volt reg |
Le 14/05/2020 20:36, Gilles Thesee a crit:
>
> Silent Hektik advised us to "lower the low-voltage alarm threshold to
> 12.5V"...
>
Read "lower the voltage at which the alarms stop flashing". Hope this is
a bit clearer.
And by the way my buddy has a Silent Hektik 4118 for sale.
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Best regards,
Gilles
http://contrails.free.fr
http://lapierre.skunkworks.free.fr
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| Subject: | Flight Widgets PM Generator |
Does anyone have any experience with using a flight widgets generator and
using that as a charging source for a EarthX lithium battery?
EarthX seems to be concerned that you provide overvoltage protection and a
"smooth" power source for charging and I have no experience with their
generator or voltage regulator. If it works, it's a pretty good tradeoff
as far as dollars and pounds.
Thanks,
Marty Hill
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| Subject: | Re: Flight Widgets PM Generator |
/Le 14/05/2020 22:23, Marty Hill a crit:
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> /flight widgets generator/
What is a flight widget generator ?
Something to do with a Ram Air Turbine ?
http://contrails.free.fr/article_trop_vite.php#rat
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Best regards,
Gilles
http://contrails.free.fr
http://lapierre.skunkworks.free.fr
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| Subject: | Re: Flight Widgets PM Generator |
Hmm?=C2- They want $100 to resell a JD generator that you can get off Am
azon.=C2- Must be good money if you can get it.
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On Thursday, May 14, 2020, 4:31:23 PM EDT, Marty Hill <martyfnhill@gmai
l.com> wrote:
Does anyone have any experience with using a flight widgets generator and u
sing that as a charging source for a EarthX lithium battery?
EarthX seems to be concerned that you provide overvoltage protection and a
"smooth" power source for charging and I have no experience with their gene
rator or voltage regulator.=C2- If it works, it's a pretty good tradeoff
as far as dollars and pounds.
Thanks,Marty Hill
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| Subject: | Re: Deere Volt reg |
Silent Hektik has more than one model. F4112, F4118, F4122
Not all have the voltage step up feature.
Van's Aircraft sells a Silent Hektik Upgrade Regulator Kit 12 REGULATOR KIT Price:
$495.00
Search eBay for MIA881279. They sell for as little as $18 with free shipping.
You can buy 28 of the John Deere regulators (item 233455272515) for the price of
Van's Silent Hektik plus shipping.
Silent Hektik regulators have failed also. Read this thread:
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=176616
No matter which brand is installed, mount it using heat conductive grease between
the mating aluminum surfaces.
When purchasing a Lithium (LiFePO4) battery, it must be sized based on the capability
of the aircraft charging system.
The ETX680 can accept up to 60 amps of charging current.
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Joe Gores
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=496358#496358
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| Subject: | For want of 'gas tight' . . . |
Been spending a lot of time under Dr. Dee's
pick-em-up truck lately . . . about 3 weeks
ago it 'died' in front of the post office.
Dug out the meters and poked around in the wiring
to the tank-mounted fuel pump. Voltage at the end
of the wire feeding the pump read battery volts,
but when connected to the pump, the pump was silent
and a clamp-on ammeter showed zero current.
The obvious conclusion was that the pump was
bad . . . fortunately it 'broke' 1/2 mile from
the house and not out in the hinterlands.
Ordered in new tanks, hangar straps and pump-sender
assemblies. The left side tank has never been
useful since we got the truck. With all the
parts in hand and truck up on jacks I launched
into a task in which I had zero experience.
Two weeks later with numerous breaks due
to weather, missing parts and creaky bones,
the new tank is in all wired and plumbed up. But
pressing the magic go-button produced no
result.
Got out the voltmeter and got the SAME
measurements as before ????? Okay, good
volts open circuit, zero volts closed circuit,
what COULD it be? Hmmmm . . . high resistance
in the source lead?
Yup, tried to load the 12v measurement at
the pump end of the wire and the reading went
to zero. Tracking back through the wiring
with various connectors I arrived at the
tank-select switch on the dash to find that
the +supply wire to the switch was just 'stuck'
into the wire grip of a fast-on terminal.
The terminal was black. There was just enough
conduction across the failed joint to offer
a 'good' voltage reading into a high impedance
voltmeter but way too high resistance to power
a pump.
Soooo . . . 4 weeks, $300 and lots of uncomplimentary
words later, it appears that root cause was a $1 fix
behind the panel!
I'm wondering if I had trouble-shot the original
diagnosis with my antique Simpson 260 multimeter,
I might have spotted the hi-resistance joint.
Oh well, gonna be up and running soon with some
fine new tanks and pumps!
Had the terminal been properly crimped in the
first place . . .
At least the second tank is going to go in
a lot smoother. Let's hear it for steep
learning curves!
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: For want of 'gas tight' . . . |
Bob...
The beauty (not so much) of hi impedance volt meters. Even the good ol'
Simpson might not have loaded it enough to see the fault. An incandescent
lamp would have saved the day and $$ and pain... but hindsight is alwAYS
20/20.
chris stone
On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 4:45 PM Robert L. Nuckolls, III <
nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com> wrote:
> nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com>
>
> Been spending a lot of time under Dr. Dee's
> pick-em-up truck lately . . . about 3 weeks
> ago it 'died' in front of the post office.
>
> Dug out the meters and poked around in the wiring
> to the tank-mounted fuel pump. Voltage at the end
> of the wire feeding the pump read battery volts,
> but when connected to the pump, the pump was silent
> and a clamp-on ammeter showed zero current.
>
> The obvious conclusion was that the pump was
> bad . . . fortunately it 'broke' 1/2 mile from
> the house and not out in the hinterlands.
>
> Ordered in new tanks, hangar straps and pump-sender
> assemblies. The left side tank has never been
> useful since we got the truck. With all the
> parts in hand and truck up on jacks I launched
> into a task in which I had zero experience.
>
> Two weeks later with numerous breaks due
> to weather, missing parts and creaky bones,
> the new tank is in all wired and plumbed up. But
> pressing the magic go-button produced no
> result.
>
> Got out the voltmeter and got the SAME
> measurements as before ????? Okay, good
> volts open circuit, zero volts closed circuit,
> what COULD it be? Hmmmm . . . high resistance
> in the source lead?
>
> Yup, tried to load the 12v measurement at
> the pump end of the wire and the reading went
> to zero. Tracking back through the wiring
> with various connectors I arrived at the
> tank-select switch on the dash to find that
> the +supply wire to the switch was just 'stuck'
> into the wire grip of a fast-on terminal.
> The terminal was black. There was just enough
> conduction across the failed joint to offer
> a 'good' voltage reading into a high impedance
> voltmeter but way too high resistance to power
> a pump.
>
> Soooo . . . 4 weeks, $300 and lots of uncomplimentary
> words later, it appears that root cause was a $1 fix
> behind the panel!
>
> I'm wondering if I had trouble-shot the original
> diagnosis with my antique Simpson 260 multimeter,
> I might have spotted the hi-resistance joint.
> Oh well, gonna be up and running soon with some
> fine new tanks and pumps!
>
> Had the terminal been properly crimped in the
> first place . . .
>
> At least the second tank is going to go in
> a lot smoother. Let's hear it for steep
> learning curves!
>
>
> Bob . . .
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: For want of 'gas tight' . . . |
Even the gods are fallible! Great story.
On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 3:45 PM Robert L. Nuckolls, III <
nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com> wrote:
> nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com>
>
> Been spending a lot of time under Dr. Dee's
> pick-em-up truck lately . . . about 3 weeks
> ago it 'died' in front of the post office.
>
> Dug out the meters and poked around in the wiring
> to the tank-mounted fuel pump. Voltage at the end
> of the wire feeding the pump read battery volts,
> but when connected to the pump, the pump was silent
> and a clamp-on ammeter showed zero current.
>
> The obvious conclusion was that the pump was
> bad . . . fortunately it 'broke' 1/2 mile from
> the house and not out in the hinterlands.
>
> Ordered in new tanks, hangar straps and pump-sender
> assemblies. The left side tank has never been
> useful since we got the truck. With all the
> parts in hand and truck up on jacks I launched
> into a task in which I had zero experience.
>
> Two weeks later with numerous breaks due
> to weather, missing parts and creaky bones,
> the new tank is in all wired and plumbed up. But
> pressing the magic go-button produced no
> result.
>
> Got out the voltmeter and got the SAME
> measurements as before ????? Okay, good
> volts open circuit, zero volts closed circuit,
> what COULD it be? Hmmmm . . . high resistance
> in the source lead?
>
> Yup, tried to load the 12v measurement at
> the pump end of the wire and the reading went
> to zero. Tracking back through the wiring
> with various connectors I arrived at the
> tank-select switch on the dash to find that
> the +supply wire to the switch was just 'stuck'
> into the wire grip of a fast-on terminal.
> The terminal was black. There was just enough
> conduction across the failed joint to offer
> a 'good' voltage reading into a high impedance
> voltmeter but way too high resistance to power
> a pump.
>
> Soooo . . . 4 weeks, $300 and lots of uncomplimentary
> words later, it appears that root cause was a $1 fix
> behind the panel!
>
> I'm wondering if I had trouble-shot the original
> diagnosis with my antique Simpson 260 multimeter,
> I might have spotted the hi-resistance joint.
> Oh well, gonna be up and running soon with some
> fine new tanks and pumps!
>
> Had the terminal been properly crimped in the
> first place . . .
>
> At least the second tank is going to go in
> a lot smoother. Let's hear it for steep
> learning curves!
>
>
> Bob . . .
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: For want of 'gas tight' . . . |
Bob,
Ugh! That's the story of my life. At least you didn't break something else
in the process, requiring a hired $3000 repair.
-- Art Z.
On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 6:56 PM Robert L. Nuckolls, III <
nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com> wrote:
> Soooo . . . 4 weeks, $300 and lots of uncomplimentary
> words later, it appears that root cause was a $1 fix
> behind the panel!
https://CheerfulCurmudgeon.com/
*If I am not for myself, who will be for me? If I am only for myself, what
am I? If not now, when?*
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| Subject: | Re: Deere Volt reg |
Le 14/05/2020 23:41, user9253 a crit:
>
> Silent Hektik has more than one model. F4112, F4118, F4122
As stated, the 4112 is no longer in production, according to Silent
Hektik themselves. They seem to only sell their "5-step" regulators
(412, according to their website), preventing overcurrent when charging
LiFePo batteries.
But unfortunately preventing charging RG batteries before 20+ minutes.
Here is the message they sent to us at the time, "from the horse's mouth" :
/"//Guten Morgen//
//The F4112 with 14,2V is since 2016 retired; sorry.//
//The F4118 is not a problem for your alarm,////if you change your
settig of the alarm to <12V, to fix it.//
//warm regards"/
--
Best regards,
Gilles
http://contrails.free.fr
http://lapierre.skunkworks.free.fr
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| Subject: | Re: Deere Volt reg |
Le 15/05/2020 04:02, Gilles Thesee a crit:
> They seem to only sell their "5-step" regulators (*412*, according to
> their website),
Oups, 412*3*
see https://www.silent-hektik.de/UL_R_912.htm
--
Best regards,
Gilles
http://contrails.free.fr
http://lapierre.skunkworks.free.fr
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| Subject: | Re: For want of 'gas tight' . . . |
Im happy to hear Im not the only one
Neal
> On May 14, 2020, at 6:34 PM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III <nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com>
wrote:
>
>
> Soooo . . . 4 weeks, $300 and lots of uncomplimentary
> words later, it appears that root cause was a $1 fix
> behind the panel!
>
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| Subject: | Re: For want of 'gas tight' . . . |
Of course, stuff like that never happens to me....NOT!=C2- So glad to he
ar that I'm not the only one=C2- ;)
War story:
I remember waaayyy back when I was in my 20's and my dad had a set of 12, 2
4, 32 volt test lamps in is diagnostic kit (along with the Simpson 260, whi
ch I have now) and I used to tease him that "it was the digital age" and he
was using dinosaur tools.=C2- (this was just about the time digital VOM
meters were coming out)
Fast forward and my dad just keeps getting smarter & smarter.=C2- (he's g
one now, but truly wonderful memories!)
-Jeff
On Thursday, May 14, 2020, 06:57:48 PM PDT, Art Zemon <art@zemon.name>
wrote:
Bob,
Ugh! That's the story of my life. At least you didn't break something else
in the process, requiring a hired $3000 repair.
=C2- =C2- -- Art Z.
On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 6:56 PM Robert L. Nuckolls, III <nuckolls.bob@aeroe
lectric.com> wrote:
Soooo . . . 4 weeks, $300 and lots of uncomplimentary
words later, it appears that root cause was a $1 fix
behind the panel!
=C2-https://CheerfulCurmudgeon.com/If I am not for myself, who will be fo
r me? If I am only for myself, what am I? If not now, when?
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| Subject: | Re: crimp multiple wires into one terminal |
Thanks for the detailed reply Bob.
I'm not far enough along yet but whenever I do get some photos I will post them.
Another lister, Jeff Parker, is the one with the issue at present of not having
enough stack height on either a battery or contactor stud. Jeff and I have
been collaborating on implementing Z-101 onto our respective aircraft with SDS
electronic injection and ignition.
Interestingly, Jeff was speaking with a jet aircraft repair technician who mentioned
the solder pellet method of attaching a fat wire to a fat lug. This fellow
recommended from his experience to crimp after soldering.
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John Bright, RV-6A, at FWF, O-360
Single batt dual alt SDS EM-5-F.
john_s_bright@yahoo.com, Newport News, Va
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| Subject: | Re: Flight Widgets PM Generator |
Hi Marty;
The company named Battery Tender has a regulator specifically intended for lithium
batteries. When the battery is fully charged it stops charging. I have one
and it has behaved well for about a year. I leave it connected to my Earth-X
battery.
Cheers! Stu.
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From: "Marty Hill" <martyfnhill@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 1:23:45 PM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Flight Widgets PM Generator
Does anyone have any experience with using a flight widgets generator and using
that as a charging source for a EarthX lithium battery?
EarthX seems to be concerned that you provide overvoltage protection and a "smooth"
power source for charging and I have no experience with their generator or
voltage regulator. If it works, it's a pretty good tradeoff as far as dollars
and pounds.
Thanks,
Marty Hill
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| Subject: | Re: For want of 'gas tight' . . . |
Ha ha... that reminds me of one of my recent diagnostic errors with a gas hot air
furnace. Installed new furnace and it was short cycling, it would run for eight
minutes and turn off for over temperature then come back on and repeat. Maybe
it's a little large for the house and ductwork, same size as the one that
came out (input BTU) but maybe more efficient. I've heard this is commonly caused
by return duct too small and mine was flex duct which is not smooth inside
so I installed 2" larger and metal, smooth on inside. Not fun crouching in attic,
assembling sections, screws and aluminum tape on joints, then insulation.
The result... same thing, run eight minutes, cool, repeat. OK, I'm not replacing
the supply ductwork! Three overtemp sensors, burner, heat exchanger, fan
box. A voltmeter across them tells me it's the heat exchanger thermostat that
is opening. So I have a bright idea, what if I up the temperature rating of the
thermostat? Eight minutes is a long time so it seems it is only barely tripping.
That or replace the furnace with a smaller one. I changed the thermostat
from 200F to 220F, $15, no more short cycling.
Maybe one of these days I'll replace the fuel tanks/pumps/senders on the 1995 dual
tank F150. It runs well on one tank and not so well on the other and the gauge
on the good tank does not work.
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John Bright, RV-6A, at FWF, O-360
Single batt dual alt SDS EM-5-F.
john_s_bright@yahoo.com, Newport News, Va
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