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1. 06:01 AM - FUSES or CIRCUIT BREAKERS IN SERIES (user9253)
2. 08:42 AM - Re: Looking for help finalysing my Cozy's electrical system (Zoom2136)
3. 10:12 AM - Re: Looking for help finalysing my Cozy's electrical system (johnbright)
4. 02:50 PM - DB pin crimper question (Bean)
5. 07:34 PM - Re: FUSES or CIRCUIT BREAKERS IN SERIES (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
6. 08:11 PM - Re: DB pin crimper question (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
7. 08:27 PM - Re: FUSES or CIRCUIT BREAKERS IN SERIES (Paul Millner)
8. 08:33 PM - West Mountain Radio Battery analyzer being retired (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
9. 11:02 PM - Official AeroElectric-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
10. 11:13 PM - Official AeroElectric-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | FUSES or CIRCUIT BREAKERS IN SERIES |
My microwave oven blew its ABC 20 fuse and also tripped the 20 amp
circuit breaker in the service entrance panel. I tested the 4 door switches
and the transformer and large capacitor, finding nothing wrong. So I
replaced the fuse. The microwave worked for a couple of days before the
same thing happened again, blowing the 20 amp internal fuse and tripping the
20 amp circuit breaker. Looking at the schematic
https://www.appliancefactoryparts.com/content/pdfs/170873-1.pdf
one of the door switches provides a short circuit path between the hot and
neutral supply. Evidently if plastic parts wear out, that can cause a timing
issue between the operation of the door switches. When that happens, the
electrical supply to the microwave is shorted out. That is a poor design in
my opinion. I pulled a wire off from the door switch, the one which is capable
of
shorting out the supply voltage. The microwave has been working fine since.
The purpose of this post is to warn against designing aircraft electrical
systems with two circuit protection devices in series, for instance a main
fuse and a load fuse. Without extensive testing, it is not known if a short
circuit in a load circuit will blow the main fuse in addition to the load fuse,
even if the fuses are different sizes. There is a reason why most aircraft
electrical systems do not have a fuse protecting the main power bus.
If that fuse blows, the whole electrical system goes down.
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Joe Gores
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for help finalysing my Cozy's electrical |
system
Hi, thanks for taking the time to review my diagrams.
johnbright wrote:
> Single points of failure:
>
> All four injectors are powered by one reley, wire, and fuse link.
*** The one wire & fuse link is supplied by the manufacturer and is the recomended
setup. I added a relay to be able to switch power source between EB1 & EB2
when selecting an ECU (or both). The relay could be replaced by diode protected
feed wire, Not sure if this would be safer?
johnbright wrote:
> Both pumps are powered thru the same switch.
*** Agreed, but what is the failure mode of a switch? 1) Welded shut contacts?
The one pump would always be ON. 2) Worn contacts, then 1 of the 2 pumps should
be able? I'm I wrong?
johnbright wrote:
> Questions:
> The injectors have fuse links in the harness. Are they sized so they won't pop
the one fuse link that feeds all four injectors?
> What happens if both injector enable inputs are un-grounded?
> Why are there relays for removing power from the coils?
> What is the EFII Syst 32 Inj Pwr Module? I would have thought each ECU box has
open collector injector drivers inside.
> Will the automatic aux pump feature result in a relaxation oscillator? (No pressure,
pump on... now we have pressure, pump off, repeat.)
> Where are the batteries located?
*** Fuse links / Are provided and sized by the manufacturer, so they are sized
appropriately.
*** Un-grounded injector enable inputs / Then both ECU will try to drive the injector,
not a good thing, but their is no work around that I can see. However,
with my setup, the first step to trouble shooting is always using the KEY switch
in the BOTH ECU position (normal position), select ECU 1 and MAIN FUEL PUMP,
if the situation does not improve, selct ECU 2 and AUX FUEL PUMP.
*** Relays for coils / This is to create 2 independant subset of components that
can be isolated along with ECU 1 or ECU 2 using only the KEY switch. So the
KEY switch allows to kill either ECU 1 or 2 and all their sub-components in one
action "kill ECU 1 & TOP COIL and transfer control of the INJECTORS to ECU2"
or "kill ECU 2 & BOTTOM COIL and transfer control of the INJECTORS to ECU 1".
This could be done with 2 DPDT switch, 1 switch powering ON at the same time
ECU 1 and TOP COIL, and a second switch powering on ECU 2 and BOTTOM COIL.
*** Automatic pump feature / This one is over my head. I have no clue! That behing
said, I will have to check with EFII as the system preset pressure is 35PSI,
but I have not seen a minium PSI value.
*** Battery location / In a Cozy, they are typically located on the cabin side
of the firewall.
johnbright wrote:
> Thoughts/IMO:
> It would be simpler to have separate toggle switches for left and right coil
"P-Leads".
> It wouild be simpler to have an SPDT switch for injector enable grounds like
EFII illustrates but what is the effect if the ground is lost to both injector
enables?
> I don't know how to have faith in Bus Manager (I know you mentioned you are not
using Bus Manager) or EFII in general when they show un-necessary SPOFs that
will stop the engine. Ref EFII Dwg 9 rev 5/19 that you attached.
> 50A is more than an engine bus requires. I am planning on dual four cylinder
SDS EFI+I on O-360 and my calculations show:
> ECU 0.13A
> Coilpack 1.1A at cruise
> Fuel pump 5.25A at 45 PSI (Walbro GSL393)
> 14.5 Ohm injectors 0.32A each at cruise (32% duty cycle, 10 GPH)
> I plan to put both EFI+I systems (pri and bak) on one engine bus and the current
draw is less than 20A (15A with both pumps and coils running for low altitude;
8.2A with one coil and one pump running in current conservation mode).
> I'm planning on an adaptation of Z-101 which is simpler than Z-14 and IMO just
as reliable.
> It would be simpler and more reliable to have separate toggle switches for the
main and aux fuel pumps and eliminate the fuel pressure switch.
> The fuel pressure switch is called NO; I would think that means it is open when
there is no fuel pressure so the logic is backwards.
> You mentioned dwg 1.04 but attached 1.00.
*** Simpler to operate / I don't beleive so, the way it is now I have 2 subset
of components that can be killed independantly if needed using a simple OFF/ECU
1/ECU 2/BOTH key switch.
*** Low pressure fuel swtich / This model is electrically normally open, So it
is the correct one.
*** 50 amp is more than an engine bus requires / Agreed. I just added up the breaker
values suggested by EFII, but your values are in line with what I came up
with.
*** Z101 - I had the 12e edition book, was not aware of Z101.
*** 1.04 vs 1.00 diagram / Will have to check that one.
Again, thanks a lot for your time,
I'm keeping an open mind regarding all your commnents, so don't interpret anything
I said as definitive. Sorry I'm French, can't say it better than this!
Eric
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Eric D
Cozy IIIx C-GEDZ
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for help finalysing my Cozy's electrical |
system
Schematics in the Aeroelectric Connection book have been revised since the book
was assembled. And at least in the case of Z-101 a schematic has been added.
http://www.aeroelectric.com/PPS/Adobe_Architecture_Pdfs/
Some other links to files Bob Nuckolls has online:
http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/
http://www.aeroelectric.com/Books/Connection/
http://www.aeroelectric.com/Catalog/
http://aeroelectric.com/Mfgr_Data/
http://aeroelectric.com/Pictures/
http://www.aeroelectric.com/PPS/ Z schematic PDFs are in subfolder "Adobe_Architecture_Pdfs"
http://www.aeroelectric.com/Reference_Docs/Accidents/
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John Bright, RV-6A, at FWF, O-360
Single batt dual alt SDS EM-5-F.
john_s_bright@yahoo.com, Newport News, Va
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1u6GeZo6pmBWsKykLNVQMvu4o1VEVyP4K
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| Subject: | DB pin crimper question |
Bob,
Many years ago you supplied some crimpers for sale. I am still using mine.
I seem to remember (it is nearly 20 years) that you had to make some
adjustments before selling them.
I see that Newark is advertising the same crimper today.
I am interested to know if these crimpers need the same adjustments.
If so I would like to know what it is before recommending them to a friend.
cheers Jim
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| Subject: | Re: FUSES or CIRCUIT BREAKERS IN SERIES |
>Without extensive testing, it is not known if a short
>circuit in a load circuit will blow the main fuse in addition to the
>load fuse,
>even if the fuses are different sizes.
It's easily predicted. Circuit protective devices of
all stripes have plots of trip response times vs.
current draw.
Hair dryers have fuses built in. The wall socket
used to supply the hair dryer is protected with
a breaker at the box. The box feeders may have
a main breaker that supplies both buses via
feeders that come into the house. The pole-transformer
is probably fitted with a fuse at the HI-side
of the primary tap to the neighborhood distribution
feeder . . . and so it goes.
From hair dryer to gas-fired turbine, there are
perhaps dozens of circuit protective devices all
of which are in series. But to be sure, they are
tailored to anticipated loads vs. trip times
under fault conditions.
Careful crafting of this protective 'ladder'
components prevents a short in your microwave
from throwing the whole neighborhood into darkness.
>There is a reason why most aircraft
>electrical systems do not have a fuse protecting the main power bus.
>If that fuse blows, the whole electrical system goes down.
It's true that feeder protection is rare in light aircraft.
Not so rare in heavier singles and twins (See attached
picture of A36 firewall circa 1995) and quite common
in aircraft like the B787.
But to be sure, any circuit protective device
situated upstream of another CPD will be an
order of magnitude more robust than its downstream
brother.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: DB pin crimper question |
At 04:43 PM 6/1/2020, you wrote:
>Bob,
>
>Many years ago you supplied some crimpers for sale. I am still using mine.
>
>I seem to remember (it is nearly 20 years) that you had to make some
>
>adjustments before selling them.
>
>I see that Newark is advertising the same crimper today.
>
>I am interested to know if these crimpers need the same adjustments.
>
>If so I would like to know what it is before recommending them to a friend.
Those tools are commonly sold for crimping 20AWG
pins. I discovered that they would also apply
22AWG pins if a new positioner were crafted to
lift the smaller pin about 0.040" in the pocket.
I sold about 150 of the 22AWG adapters to Steinair.
Unmodified tools perform as expected with
20AWG pins.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: FUSES or CIRCUIT BREAKERS IN SERIES |
In electric power, it=99s called relay coordination. Sometimes they ge
t it wrong, and the northeast is plunged into darkness for days... 9 months l
ater, birth rate jumps!
Paul
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jun 1, 2020, at 7:46 PM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III <nuckolls.bob@aeroelec
tric.com> wrote:
>
> =EF=BB
>>
>> Without extensive testing, it is not known if a short
>> circuit in a load circuit will blow the main fuse in addition to the load
fuse,
>> even if the fuses are different sizes.
>
> It's easily predicted. Circuit protective devices of
> all stripes have plots of trip response times vs.
> current draw.
>
> Hair dryers have fuses built in. The wall socket
> used to supply the hair dryer is protected with
> a breaker at the box. The box feeders may have
> a main breaker that supplies both buses via
> feeders that come into the house. The pole-transformer
> is probably fitted with a fuse at the HI-side
> of the primary tap to the neighborhood distribution
> feeder . . . and so it goes.
>
> =46rom hair dryer to gas-fired turbine, there are
> perhaps dozens of circuit protective devices all
> of which are in series. But to be sure, they are
> tailored to anticipated loads vs. trip times
> under fault conditions.
>
> Careful crafting of this protective 'ladder'
> components prevents a short in your microwave
> from throwing the whole neighborhood into darkness.
>
>> There is a reason why most aircraft
>> electrical systems do not have a fuse protecting the main power bus.
>> If that fuse blows, the whole electrical system goes down.
>
> It's true that feeder protection is rare in light aircraft.
> Not so rare in heavier singles and twins (See attached
> picture of A36 firewall circa 1995) and quite common
> in aircraft like the B787.
>
> But to be sure, any circuit protective device
> situated upstream of another CPD will be an
> order of magnitude more robust than its downstream
> brother.
>
> Bob . . .
> <A36_Firewall.jpg>
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| Subject: | West Mountain Radio Battery analyzer being retired |
I'm retiring a West Mountain Radio battery
runner-downer test set. This venerable beast
has tested many a battery over the years and
still works fine. This device also functions
as a single-channel data acquisition system
for taking voltage samples over long periods
of time.
It was used to produce this comparative
study of a variety of AA alkaline cells:
https://tinyurl.com/yddfoasp
I've upgraded to a model IV with some advanced
software features.
Suggest you review the owner's manual which
you can obtain at:
http://www.westmountainradio.com/pdf/CBA_Manual_V2.pdf
Software is also available at:
http://www.westmountainradio.com/content.php?page=wmr-downloads
offer includes the supporting usb cable.
First $70 offer gets it mailed to US address
via priority mail. As with all AEC offers,
100% satisfaction guaranteed.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Official AeroElectric-List Usage Guidelines |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the AeroElectric-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
AeroElectric-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/AeroElectric-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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AeroElectric-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the AeroElectric-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the AeroElectric-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
AeroElectric-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the AeroElectric-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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