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1. 02:38 AM - Re: Let's not loose focus (supik)
2. 06:05 AM - IS a COM ANTENNA GROUND PLANE NECESSARY (user9253)
3. 08:21 AM - Re: Re: Let's not loose focus (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
4. 08:27 AM - Re: IS a COM ANTENNA GROUND PLANE NECESSARY (Charlie England)
5. 09:19 AM - Re: IS a COM ANTENNA GROUND PLANE NECESSARY (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
6. 10:59 AM - Re: IS a COM ANTENNA GROUND PLANE NECESSARY (user9253)
7. 11:08 AM - Re: Re: Teflon fuel line (Richard Girard)
8. 11:27 AM - Re: Re: IS a COM ANTENNA GROUND PLANE NECESSARY (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
9. 12:13 PM - Re: Re: Teflon fuel line (Charlie England)
10. 01:50 PM - Re: Diodes - Ground Pwr/Battery Master Contactors (Drum)
11. 01:51 PM - Re: Diodes - Ground Pwr/Battery Master Contactors (Drum)
12. 03:02 PM - Re: Re: Teflon fuel line (Stuart Hutchison)
13. 05:45 PM - Re: IS a COM ANTENNA GROUND PLANE NECESSARY (user9253)
14. 11:02 PM - Official AeroElectric-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
15. 11:15 PM - Official AeroElectric-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | Re: Let's not loose focus |
> There's a thread running now that claims
> roots in Z101. ALL of the z-figures
> were crafted with a particular airframe/mission
> in mind. Occasionally I run a across a builder's
> assertion that "I took Zxx and crafted a really
> whippy electrical system." Then I find the
> drawings only slightly resemble the the
> referenced Z-figure due poorly reasoned
> changes.
>
> In some cases, the differences created
> failure modes hazardous to people and other
> living things.
I guess it's me. That's the reason I shared my schematics on this forum. I don't
need to be an example for accident analysis post-mortem. I would appreciate
your comments. I am especially interested in NO GO issues and failure analysis.
I understand a load analysis is required to determine proper fuse ratings+wire
size -I'll attach the load analysis to my thread..
Where I think it will work, you might find a critical issue..
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| Subject: | IS a COM ANTENNA GROUND PLANE NECESSARY |
A friend of mine is building a Kitfox S7. It is 99 percent completed. He
installed the com antenna in the vertical stabilizer which has steel tube and
wood ribs and fabric cover which has been professionally painted. It is
definitely not an ideal location. A concern that I have is that there is no
ground plane. The antenna base is mounted to a wooden rib. All that is
visible or accessible is the BNC connector and coax. He installed the antenna
there because someone else did so on their plane and claimed that it worked.
Questions:
1. Should he try transmitting on the com radio to see how well the antenna
works and the range? Or could the radio be damaged by reflected power?
2. Can a ground plane be made by removing the outer insulation from the
RG-58 coax and soldering two wires to the shield near the BNC connector?
One of the two wires would droop down and forward, the other would
droop down and aft.
3. Would a new antenna work if installed inside of the steel tube fuselage?
4. Is he better off installing a new antenna on the outside of the fuselage?
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| Subject: | Re: Let's not loose focus |
>
>I guess it's me. That's the reason I shared my schematics on this
>forum. I don't need to be an example for accident analysis
>post-mortem. I would appreciate your comments. I am especially
>interested in NO GO issues and failure analysis.
>
>I understand a load analysis is required to determine proper fuse
>ratings+wire size -I'll attach the load analysis to my thread..
>
>Where I think it will work, you might find a critical issue..
Please don't take anything I wrote personally . . .
in fact, by bringing your ideas and questions to
the List, you do'n the right thing!
Keep in mind that there are a lot
of subscribers to this list who don't
actively participate. Nonetheless they
find value in watching what passes by.
I try to tailor my offerings for a CLASS
as opposed to individuals. We haven't had
a personality clash on the List since
GMCJetpilot days . . . and I'm hoping
that doesn't happen again.
I've not engaged in your project as
yet for a variety of reasons not the
least of which is time. At the same
time, I'm intently interested in how
the rest of the 'team' are rising
to your cause.
I am encouraged by what I'm reading.
At the same time, I'm protective of our
mission and process here. Whenever I
encounter a project wherein the builder
claims some foundation based on the
AeroElectric Connection, I have an
obligation to my readers and all who
participate here to make sure that the
mission and process are not being diluted
or modified without foundation in physics
and critical thought.
Keep up the good work guys!
P.S. Remember that fuses/breaker protect
wire. The constellation electro-whizzies
in our airplanes could not care less what size
wire supplies energy as long as it
is adequate and reliable. Had a reader
some years ago who made a good deal on a
nearly full spool of 20AWG Tefzel wire.
He wondered if there was any prohibition
for using this wire for everything.
The answer was "no problem" . . . slightly
heavier but it fits all the 20AWG d-sub pins
and PIDG termials were no problem either.
He COULD populate the fuse block entirely
with 7A fuses or anything lower that wouldn't
nuisance trip.
That project would probably set any faithful
adherent to AC43-13 into fits of apoplexy
while in fact, except for a few ounces
more empty weight on the airplane, no
design goals for safety or operation were
being ignored . . . and he saved a goodly
bit of money on wire and time for having to
'optimize' each fuse/feeder decision.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: IS a COM ANTENNA GROUND PLANE NECESSARY |
On 7/1/2020 8:04 AM, user9253 wrote:
>
> A friend of mine is building a Kitfox S7. It is 99 percent completed. He
> installed the com antenna in the vertical stabilizer which has steel tube and
> wood ribs and fabric cover which has been professionally painted. It is
> definitely not an ideal location. A concern that I have is that there is no
> ground plane. The antenna base is mounted to a wooden rib. All that is
> visible or accessible is the BNC connector and coax. He installed the antenna
> there because someone else did so on their plane and claimed that it worked.
> Questions:
> 1. Should he try transmitting on the com radio to see how well the antenna
> works and the range? Or could the radio be damaged by reflected power?
> 2. Can a ground plane be made by removing the outer insulation from the
> RG-58 coax and soldering two wires to the shield near the BNC connector?
> One of the two wires would droop down and forward, the other would
> droop down and aft.
> 3. Would a new antenna work if installed inside of the steel tube fuselage?
> 4. Is he better off installing a new antenna on the outside of the fuselage?
>
> --------
> Joe Gores
There are a lot of successful comm antenna installations within steel
tube fuselages. That might be the easiest path forward, since getting a
long enough ground plane 'whisker' aft of the tail mounted antenna might
be a problem.
On the other hand, I suspect that any modern comm radio will protect
itself from damage, so if he doesn't care about max range
transmission/reception, he could just try what he's got. Also, there are
lots of ways to make/add ground plane whiskers, even if he ended up with
something sub optimal and an asymmetrical coverage pattern. A couple of
fittings and adapters should give him a way to add whiskers without
cutting into the coax.
https://www.google.com/search?q=1/4+wave+antenna+ground+plane&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS843US843&sxsrf=ALeKk02Mio8mukK9rYmhrx1EsHM2zf4bpw:1593614869209&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwia9L-BpqzqAhVDmeAKHVLdD7wQ_AUoAnoECA0QBA&biw=1920&bih=975
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| Subject: | Re: IS a COM ANTENNA GROUND PLANE NECESSARY |
At 08:04 AM 7/1/2020, you wrote:
>
>A friend of mine is building a Kitfox S7. It is 99 percent completed. He
>installed the com antenna in the vertical stabilizer which has steel tube and
>wood ribs and fabric cover which has been professionally painted. It is
>definitely not an ideal location. A concern that I have is that there is no
>ground plane. The antenna base is mounted to a wooden rib. All that is
>visible or accessible is the BNC connector and coax. He installed the antenna
> there because someone else did so on their plane and claimed that it worked.
>Questions:
Hmmm . . . 'works' is unqualified . . . a wet string will
suffice for communications at some level . . .
>1. Should he try transmitting on the com radio to see how well the antenna
>works and the range?
That's the 'acid test' but first . . .
> Or could the radio be damaged by reflected power?
by all means he should MEASURE the SWR over the full
range of comm frequencies. 2:1 or better over 108 to 136
is usually possible with optimized vhf comm antennas.
3:1 is 'useable' but anything greater is cause for
re-evaluation of the installation.
>2. Can a ground plane be made by removing the outer insulation from the
>RG-58 coax and soldering two wires to the shield near the BNC connector?
>One of the two wires would droop down and forward, the other would
>droop down and aft.
what kind of antenna are we talking about? A simple whip?
how did it get attached to the airframe . . . is the coax
connector 'grounded' to the steel-tube? If so, nothing
else you can 'add' will make any difference. Proximity
to conductive structure is your driving condition and
will make for a really 'un-round' radiation pattern.
>3. Would a new antenna work if installed inside of the steel tube fuselage?
again, 'works' is non-qualified. Optimized antennas will
first accept the transmitted energy with minimum losses.
Second, it will have as close to a omni-directional
radiation pattern as practical. Researching the first
is easy . . . go measure it. The second is not so easy.
We used to run radiation pattern tests on antennas already
flying by putting test equipment in the airplane and
then flying a couple 360 circles about 50 miles out while
measuring the signal received on a calibrated receiver
in the airplane. Not easy/cheap to do.
Most departures from optimally mounted 1/4-wave
whips still 'work' . . . and as long as the pilot
is satisfied, details as to radiation patterns
don't mater much. SWR is easy to check and is
your first clue as to operational efficiency.
If an antenna does not readily accept transmitted
energy, radiation patterns are somewhat irrelevant.
>4. Is he better off installing a new antenna on the outside of the fuselage?
I wouldn't hold out for an antenna inside the
fuselage being markedly better than inside the
vertical fin . . . but that's a WAG. Instrumented
testing is the only way to make that call with
engineered confidence.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: IS a COM ANTENNA GROUND PLANE NECESSARY |
Yes, the antenna is a simple 1/4 wave whip. The antenna base is mounted in
a wood rib. The antenna base does not touch the steel tube airframe but is
3/4 inch away from a horizontal steel tube and about 6 inches away from a
vertical steel tube, not good I know.
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| Subject: | Re: Teflon fuel line |
When I tested aluminum parts coming from the paint line at Boeing Auburn
all it took was an impedance tester. Alodining conducts electricity,
anodizing does not.
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On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 9:08 AM user9253 <fransew@gmail.com> wrote:
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> No danger from static for a couple of reasons.
> Fuel can only ignite if it is mixed with oxygen (air). Since the fuel
> line does not contain air, it can not ignite. And even if there is air i
n
> the fuel line, the ratio of fuel to air needs to be within a certain rang
e
> to ignite. The mixture will be too rich.
> Even if the fuel air ratio is ideal for combustion, there is still no
> need to worry. A metal airplane like your RV-9 will keep all parts of th
e
> fuel system at the same voltage. No sparks will jump. Some fuel systems
> use non-conductive rubber hose. In that case, the danger is not from
> static, but from mechanical damage or kinking.
> Anodized metal fittings might not be good conductors of electricity, bu
t
> will conduct enough to prevent high voltages from building up.
>
> --------
> Joe Gores
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| Subject: | Re: IS a COM ANTENNA GROUND PLANE NECESSARY |
At 12:54 PM 7/1/2020, you wrote:
>
>Yes, the antenna is a simple 1/4 wave whip. The antenna base is mounted in
>a wood rib. The antenna base does not touch the steel tube airframe but is
>3/4 inch away from a horizontal steel tube and about 6 inches away from a
>vertical steel tube, not good I know.
3/4 inch away from an airframe conductor and NOT
electrically attached to it?
So it's all covered up and painted over?
I think an SWR check would be pointless but
perhaps interesting . . . on second thought
maybe important. Hard data on the down-side
of installing an antenna the wrong way is
a teaching moment opportunity.
He's between a rock and a hard place. If
there are builders flying this configuration
and reporting satisfactory performance, it's
going to be difficult/disappointing to wrap
his arms around the next stage. Plan B is an
antenna mounted to a tab which is electrically
common with structure. Try mounting it inside
the fuselage with widest practical separation
from structure/cables.
An SWR check is still a good idea . . . you may
find that proximity effects to the structure
have electrically lengthened the antenna . . .
SWR will minimize at some point below band-center.
If it's under 3:1 overall, leave it alone. If
over 3:1 at the lower edge, you can consider
trimming the tip off in little bits (1/4"
at a time) to bring antenna resonance up
a bit.
I'm noticing that handy little digital VHF/UHF
swr meters are sorta drying up on eBay, et. als.
This is one of my favorites
https://tinyurl.com/ybfyl9fo
it used to be offered by 20 or more suppliers,
could only find a handful of offers
Here's another which would suit our purposes
https://tinyurl.com/ydy327v7
It would be useful for you to track this
builder's experience . . . perhaps we could
craft a 'shop notes' article for archiving
on aeroelectric.com
If getting your own SWR meter is not practical,
I can loan you mine.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Teflon fuel line |
What kind of impedance tester? An ohm meter, or a 'megger'?
Even a resistance in the 10s of millions of ohms will bleed off a static
buildup. A regular ohm meter might well show an open circuit at those
levels.
I still think the terminations issue is moot with currently available
Teflon lined hose, since the hose is impregnated with carbon.
Charlie
On 7/1/2020 1:03 PM, Richard Girard wrote:
> When I tested aluminum parts coming from the paint line at Boeing
> Auburn all it took was an impedance tester. Alodining conducts
> electricity, anodizingdoes not.
>
> Rick
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> On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 9:08 AM user9253 <fransew@gmail.com
> <mailto:fransew@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> <fransew@gmail.com <mailto:fransew@gmail.com>>
>
> No danger from static for a couple of reasons.
> Fuel can only ignite if it is mixed with oxygen (air). Since the
> fuel line does not contain air, it can not ignite. And even if
> there is air in the fuel line, the ratio of fuel to air needs to
> be within a certain range to ignite. The mixture will be too rich.
> Even if the fuel air ratio is ideal for combustion, there is
> still no need to worry. A metal airplane like your RV-9 will keep
> all parts of the fuel system at the same voltage. No sparks will
> jump. Some fuel systems use non-conductive rubber hose. In that
> case, the danger is not from static, but from mechanical damage or
> kinking.
> Anodized metal fittings might not be good conductors of
> electricity, but will conduct enough to prevent high voltages from
> building up.
>
> --------
> Joe Gores
>
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| Subject: | Re: Diodes - Ground Pwr/Battery Master Contactors |
Thank you!
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Drum
RV8 - Working on Fuselage/Canopy
Southport, CT
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Thank you!
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Drum
RV8 - Working on Fuselage/Canopy
Southport, CT
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| Subject: | Re: IS a COM ANTENNA GROUND PLANE NECESSARY |
Yes, the antenna base is very close to an airframe steel tube but not attached
electrically or physically. The base of the antenna is mounted to a wood rib.
The builder does not know much about electricity or antennas.
And yes, the vertical stabilizer is all covered and painted. The builder will
not
want to tear the airplane apart to get that antenna out.
I had forgotten about that Red Dot SWR meter that I had purchased several
years ago and only used once. I found it in my workshop and discovered that
all 3 AAA batteries had leaked. Have you checked your SWR batteries lately?
Luckily the battery holder is mounted with double sided foam tape which
protected the circuit board. I cleaned out the corrosion and installed new
batteries. Luckily the SWR meter still works. I will test my friend's antenna
SWR whenever he gets the RG-58 terminated.
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Joe Gores
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Dear Listers,
Please read over the AeroElectric-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) below.
The
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following URL:
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Download Via FTP
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Dear Listers,
Please read over the AeroElectric-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
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high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
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the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
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- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
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responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
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bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
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- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
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easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
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