---------------------------------------------------------- AeroElectric-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 08/17/20: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:11 AM - Re: RV10 primary elec sys wiring (airknot) 2. 08:10 AM - Office 365 to Office 365/live Exchange server migration (Rwatt123) 3. 08:56 AM - Re: Re: RV10 primary elec sys wiring (Chris) 4. 09:42 AM - Re: Re: RV10 primary elec sys wiring (Charlie England) 5. 09:45 AM - Re: Re: headset crackle (William Daniell) 6. 12:54 PM - Re: RV10 primary elec sys wiring (airknot) 7. 01:03 PM - Re: RV10 primary elec sys wiring (airknot) 8. 01:29 PM - Re: Re: RV10 primary elec sys wiring (Charlie England) 9. 04:30 PM - Re: RV10 primary elec sys wiring (user9253) 10. 06:46 PM - Re: Re: RV10 primary elec sys wiring (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 11. 06:46 PM - Re: Re: RV10 primary elec sys wiring (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:11:15 AM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: RV10 primary elec sys wiring From: "airknot" Dear Matronics Society! First - I am extremely happy to meet all of you. Guys, hope for your kind help in this complicated task. GENERAL CONFIG: IFR flights Power sources config: 1 - alternator 60 A with internal voltage regulator (Plane Power AL12-EI60 (99-1012)) 2 main battery 24 Ah (Concorde RG-25XC) 3 backup smart battery (TCW IBBS-12V-6AH) max cont load 8 A, intermittent 12 A Engine: Lycoming IO-540-D4A5 Ignition: standard Champion SLICK MAGNETOs 6393 (LH) and 6350(RH) plus SlickStart module S1001 for one magneto(left) for better start. Keyed ignition switch ACS A-510-2K. Avionics Dynon SkyView HDX complex with 2 monitors (+2 backup batteries for displays) and respective subsystems, except comm. Communication Garmin GMA245 with GTR 225A Backup navigation - Garmin G5 system (+ backup battery). I am looking for reliable and simple enough system Bob was extremely kind to me and helped with initial idea of Primary Electric system for RV-10. Wiring: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1lbioIrf2NMAUnkgLyg7kzthyvVueMHyV/view?usp=sharing I have done ELA but found that with 60A alternator i have load that exceeds alt capacity (about 65 A total current draw in max config, that is practically unrealistic situation, but ...). So, now i will double-check ELA, and then will think what to do... Here is ELA with power sources assessment and List of equipment: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1lbioIrf2NMAUnkgLyg7kzthyvVueMHyV/view?usp=sharing Regarding aux battery - we will use TCW IBBS-12V-6Ah, that can continuously supply 8 Amps when sensing main bus (or another bus, depending on Primary elec system logic) voltage drop below 11 VDC. My idea was to create Essential bus to power from this TCW backup battery in case of emergency. Quote from TCW Tech Support letter regarding backup battery: The pass-thru pins are an input that you connect to the main bus. They bring power into the IBBS which is automatically passed through to the outputs. During normal operation, the power from the aircraft bus comes into pins 6,7,8 and is passed out to pins 12-15, this allows the equipment connected to pins 12-15 operate normally. Then if there is a condition on the main bus where the voltage falls below 11 volts, the IBBD internal battery is connected to pins 12-15 to run the essential equipment. No power is back fed to the main bus. If someone has experience in such smart battery utilization - please, share, its very interesting I am kindly asking for help and any kind of assistance and guidance for Primary Electrical System architecture calculations and building. Without you at this stage I do not see the way to successfully build RV10.. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=497797#497797 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:10:26 AM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Office 365 to Office 365/live Exchange server migration From: "Rwatt123" Most of the users weren't able to find the right solution to perform Office 365 to Office 365/Live Exchange server. EdbMails Office 365 migration tool is the one whic provides the smoothest experience to the end users. All your mailboxes will be migrated to the target server without any hassle. Few highlights of the software: Secure and Safe migration Security is the most complex thing during the migration process. 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Know More: https://www.edbmails.com/pages/office-365-migration-tool.html Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=497803#497803 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:56:21 AM PST US From: "Chris" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Re: RV10 primary elec sys wiring There are some nice schematics for the RV-14 or RV-12 that certainly can help you visualize what you may want for the RV-10. GO to this link: https://www.vansaircraft.com/downloads/ -Chris -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com On Behalf Of airknot Sent: Monday, August 17, 2020 7:10 AM Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: RV10 primary elec sys wiring Dear Matronics Society! First - I am extremely happy to meet all of you. Guys, hope for your kind help in this complicated task. GENERAL CONFIG: IFR flights Power sources config: 1 - alternator 60 A with internal voltage regulator (Plane Power AL12-EI60 (99-1012)) 2 main battery 24 Ah (Concorde RG-25XC) 3 backup smart battery (TCW IBBS-12V-6AH) max cont load 8 A, intermittent 12 A Engine: Lycoming IO-540-D4A5 Ignition: standard Champion SLICK MAGNETOs 6393 (LH) and 6350(RH) plus SlickStart module S1001 for one magneto(left) for better start. Keyed ignition switch ACS A-510-2K. Avionics Dynon SkyView HDX complex with 2 monitors (+2 backup batteries for displays) and respective subsystems, except comm. Communication Garmin GMA245 with GTR 225A Backup navigation - Garmin G5 system (+ backup battery). I am looking for reliable and simple enough system Bob was extremely kind to me and helped with initial idea of Primary Electric system for RV-10. Wiring: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1lbioIrf2NMAUnkgLyg7kzthyvVueMHyV/view?usp=sharing I have done ELA but found that with 60A alternator i have load that exceeds alt capacity (about 65 A total current draw in max config, that is practically unrealistic situation, but ...). So, now i will double-check ELA, and then will think what to do... Here is ELA with power sources assessment and List of equipment: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1lbioIrf2NMAUnkgLyg7kzthyvVueMHyV/view?usp=sharing Regarding aux battery - we will use TCW IBBS-12V-6Ah, that can continuously supply 8 Amps when sensing main bus (or another bus, depending on Primary elec system logic) voltage drop below 11 VDC. My idea was to create Essential bus to power from this TCW backup battery in case of emergency. Quote from TCW Tech Support letter regarding backup battery: The pass-thru pins are an input that you connect to the main bus. They bring power into the IBBS which is automatically passed through to the outputs. During normal operation, the power from the aircraft bus comes into pins 6,7,8 and is passed out to pins 12-15, this allows the equipment connected to pins 12-15 operate normally. Then if there is a condition on the main bus where the voltage falls below 11 volts, the IBBD internal battery is connected to pins 12-15 to run the essential equipment. No power is back fed to the main bus. If someone has experience in such smart battery utilization - please, share, its very interesting I am kindly asking for help and any kind of assistance and guidance for Primary Electrical System architecture calculations and building. Without you at this stage I do not see the way to successfully build RV10.. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=497797#497797 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:42:38 AM PST US From: Charlie England Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: RV10 primary elec sys wiring On Mon, Aug 17, 2020 at 6:17 AM airknot wrote: > > Dear Matronics Society! > > First - I am extremely happy to meet all of you. > Guys, hope for your kind help in this complicated task. > GENERAL CONFIG: IFR flights > Power sources config: > 1 - alternator 60 A with internal voltage regulator (Plane Power AL12-EI6 0 > (99-1012)) > 2 =93 main battery 24 Ah (Concorde RG-25XC) > 3 =93 backup smart battery (TCW IBBS-12V-6AH) =93 max cont lo ad 8 A, > intermittent 12 A > Engine: Lycoming IO-540-D4A5 > Ignition: standard Champion SLICK MAGNETOs 6393 (LH) and 6350(RH) plus > SlickStart module S1001 for one magneto(left) for better start. Keyed > ignition switch =93 ACS A-510-2K. > Avionics =93 Dynon SkyView HDX complex with 2 monitors (+2 backup b atteries > for displays) and respective subsystems, except comm. > Communication =93 Garmin GMA245 with GTR 225A > Backup navigation - Garmin G5 system (+ backup battery). > I am looking for reliable and simple enough system > > Bob was extremely kind to me and helped with initial idea of Primary > Electric system for RV-10. > Wiring: > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1lbioIrf2NMAUnkgLyg7kzthyvVueMHyV/view?us p=sharing > > I have done ELA but found that with 60A alternator i have load that > exceeds alt capacity (about 65 A total current draw in max config, that i s > practically unrealistic situation, but ...). So, now i will double-check > ELA, and then will think what to do... > > Here is ELA with power sources assessment and List of equipment: > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1lbioIrf2NMAUnkgLyg7kzthyvVueMHyV/view?us p=sharing > > Regarding aux battery - we will use TCW IBBS-12V-6Ah, that can > continuously supply 8 Amps when sensing main bus (or another bus, dependi ng > on Primary elec system logic) voltage drop below 11 VDC. > My idea was to create Essential bus to power from this TCW backup battery > in case of emergency. > > Quote from TCW Tech Support letter regarding backup battery: > The pass-thru pins are an input that you connect to the main bus. They > bring power into the IBBS which is automatically passed through to the > outputs. During normal operation, the power from the aircraft bus comes > into pins 6,7,8 and is passed out to pins 12-15, this allows the equipmen t > connected to pins 12-15 operate normally. Then if there is a condition on > the main bus where the voltage falls below 11 volts, the IBBD internal > battery is connected to pins 12-15 to run the essential equipment. No pow er > is back fed to the main bus. > > If someone has experience in such smart battery utilization - please, > share, it=99s very interesting > > I am kindly asking for help and any kind of assistance and guidance for > Primary Electrical System architecture calculations and building. Without > you at this stage I do not see the way to successfully build RV10.. > > > What's missing from your loads list above? I only see about 20A, absolutely worst case, in that list (unless that Dynon stuff is hideously inefficient). Have you done a spreadsheet, or even just a list, with every load item with columns showing continuous and peak loads for each device, and if applicable, an intermittent duty column? For example, the Slickstart, and flaps, would be intermittent duty, & need not be part of the continuous load calcs. Comm would have some very low consumption (likely under an amp) except when transmitting. etc etc Be aware that many (most?) devices spec a circuit protection device that's a lot larger than continuous draw, and somewhat larger than even peak inrush current. In some cases, you might need to actually power up the device to determine its actual continuous & peak draw; some mfgrs don't bother to include that data. Charlie ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:45:34 AM PST US From: William Daniell Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: RE: headset crackle Mmm not sure....before there was no crackle with the audio and the audio system is unchanged. The plane is composite and the jacks are isolated. But ill check that. Its an easy task. Thanks William Daniell +1 786 878 0246 On Sun, Aug 16, 2020, 18:06 Peter Pengilly wrote: > Check your headset sockets are tight and have the insulation washers > fitted. > > > Peter > > > I would be grateful for any ideas on the following: > > > I have a rotax with a Z16. It has 250 hours from new. > > > My dynon skyview has been completely RF silent up today when during the > flight i had quite a significant crackle that rose and fell with RPM. The > crackle was lower at lower rpm. Once back on the ground i discovered that > the crackle went when I switch off one mag. And when I switched off mag > the other the engine coughed as if with intermittent spark. > > > I have recently fitted a new prop and took the top plugs out to facilitate > rotation of the prop but otherwise i have not fiddled with the ignition > system. > > > I am assume that i have some kind of issue with the HT system. > > > I have been advised that rotax ignition modules rarely suffer intermittent > faults - is this correct? > > > I have also been advised to examine the Plug caps and "renew" the > connection between HT lead and plug cap cutting off 1/8 of the HT lead. > > > Does anyone have any other suggestions? > > > Thanks > > > Will > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:54:53 PM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: RV10 primary elec sys wiring From: "airknot" toaster73(at)embarqmail.c wrote: > There are some nice schematics for the RV-14 or RV-12 that certainly can help you visualize what you may want for the RV-10. GO to this link: > https://www.vansaircraft.com/downloads/ > > > -Chris > > -- Thank you, Chris, those wiring schemes are great, but unfortunately they use plenty of some Power Circuit Boards (perheps supplied by VANS with kits).. but plan to use some elemets in avionics hookup Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=497807#497807 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:03:59 PM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: RV10 primary elec sys wiring From: "airknot" [/quote]What's missing from your loads list above?I only see about 20A, absolutely worst case, in that list (unless that Dynon stuff is hideously inefficient). Have you done a spreadsheet, or even just a list, with every load item with columns showing continuous and peak loads for each device, and if applicable, an intermittent duty column? For example, the Slickstart, and flaps, would be intermittent duty, & need not be part of the continuous load calcs. Comm would have some very low consumption (likely under an amp) except when transmitting. etc etc Be aware that many (most?) devices spec a circuit protection device that's a lot larger than continuous draw, and somewhat larger than even peak inrush current. In some cases, you might need to actually power up the device to determine its actual continuous & peak draw; some mfgrs don't bother to include that data. Charlie[/quote] Charlie, I have made separate ELA doc, perheps it is some problems with viewing. now it has 2 main columns - "Typical" and "Max" load. PLease, have a quick look: https://drive.google.com/file/d/19XBHeM0oGqIDpQcepn1XrqFzVvEpWZq6/view?usp=sharing Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=497808#497808 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:29:28 PM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: RV10 primary elec sys wiring From: Charlie England On 8/17/2020 2:58 PM, airknot wrote: > > [/quote]What's missing from your loads list above?I only see about 20A, absolutely worst case, in that list (unless that Dynon stuff is hideously inefficient). Have you done a spreadsheet, or even just a list, with every load item with columns showing continuous and peak loads for each device, and if applicable, an intermittent duty column? For example, the Slickstart, and flaps, would be intermittent duty, & need not be part of the continuous load calcs. Comm would have some very low consumption (likely under an amp) except when transmitting. etc etc > > > Be aware that many (most?) devices spec a circuit protection device that's a lot larger than continuous draw, and somewhat larger than even peak inrush current. In some cases, you might need to actually power up the device to determine its actual continuous & peak draw; some mfgrs don't bother to include that data. > > > Charlie[/quote] > > Charlie, I have made separate ELA doc, perheps it is some problems with viewing. now it has 2 main columns - "Typical" and "Max" load. PLease, have a quick look: > https://drive.google.com/file/d/19XBHeM0oGqIDpQcepn1XrqFzVvEpWZq6/view?usp=sharing > Google says we need permission to see it; sent the request. Charlie -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:30:19 PM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: RV10 primary elec sys wiring From: "user9253" Nobody can access google drive documents without the owner's permission. -------- Joe Gores Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=497810#497810 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:46:00 PM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: RV10 primary elec sys wiring > >My idea was to create Essential bus to power from this TCW backup >battery in case of emergency. Thoughtfully crafted electrical systems do not suffer emergencies . . . Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:46:35 PM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: RV10 primary elec sys wiring > >3 ' backup smart battery (TCW IBBS-12V-6AH) ' >max cont loadoad 8 A, intermittent 12 A >Engine: Lycoming IO-540-D4A5 With that engine, why are you including a backup battery? A 8-10A standby alternator on a vacuum pump pad offers UNLIMITED endurance with about a 4 pound penalty. I go out of my way to avoid adding batteries to a design over and above those normally expected to start engines and back up the primary alternator. Do you not PLAN to conduct periodic airworthiness checks on the main battery? 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