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1. 04:03 AM - Re: Re: Thread Lacing Tape (bob noffs)
2. 04:40 AM - Re: Re: Thread Lacing Tape (Matthew S. Whiting)
3. 05:13 AM - Re: Re: Thread Lacing Tape (Art Zemon)
4. 06:19 AM - Re: Re: Thread Lacing Tape (Ernest Christley)
5. 08:03 AM - Re: Re: Thread Lacing Tape (Matthew S. Whiting)
6. 08:29 AM - Re: EarthX vs Concord Batteries (Art Zemon)
7. 12:21 PM - Re: Re: Thread Lacing Tape (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
8. 02:52 PM - Re: Re: Thread Lacing Tape (Mark Moyle)
9. 04:14 PM - Re: Re: Thread Lacing Tape (Matthew S. Whiting)
10. 05:47 PM - Re: Re: Thread Lacing Tape (C&K)
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| Subject: | Re: Thread Lacing Tape |
fwiw , when i started using it 20 yrs. ago the breaking strength was 80
lbs. . plenty for what i wanted.
On Sun, May 9, 2021 at 10:18 PM Robert L. Nuckolls, III <
nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com> wrote:
> At 09:46 PM 5/9/2021, you wrote:
>
>
> Folks,
>
> I'll chime in here, too. I used both lacing and Velcro ties in my
> airplane, on the cold side of the firewall. I laced the long runs of
> bundles of wires that I fabricated prior to installing them in the
> airplane. I used the lacing tape from Aircraft Spruce and made a little
> video <https://cheerfulcurmudgeon.com/2016/12/19/how-to-lace-wire/> on
> how I did it. No, it's not NASA spec but it's secure. I did have to remov
e
> the lacing from a couple of bundles and, believe me, it's secure!
>
> Inside the cabin and behind the panel, I used the thin Velcro ties
> <https://www.homedepot.com/p/VELCRO-Brand-8-in-x-1-2-in-Reusable-Ties-50-
Pack-90924HD/202261940>
> that Bob linked to. I like these because they are very thin and flexible
so
> they are easy to use, even when you only have a few wires to tie up. I'm
> not worried about longevity. Name-brand Velcro has been around a long tim
e
> so I trust the material. Furthermore, it's a low-risk application. If the
y
> start to deteriorate, I'll notice during the annual inspections and I can
> replace them. These ties are only securing bundles of wire, not heavy
> components which hold the airplane together.
>
> On the hot side of the firewall, I used the normal heat tolerant stuff:
> zip-ties and Adel clamps.=C3=82
>
>
> Good data sir, thank you.
>
>
> Bob . . .
>
> Un impeachable logic: George Carlin asked, "If black boxes
> survive crashes, why don't they make the whole airplane
> out of that stuff?"
>
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| Subject: | Re: Thread Lacing Tape |
Art,
I went to look at your video and found it was one I had already watched. =F0
=9F=98=81
I likely will do a hybrid approach on my S-21 as well. I will probably lace
the fuselage runs since they are long and straight and I don=99t beli
eve they go through grommets, but I don=99t remember what RANS recomme
nds there.
The wing wires go through grommets in the ribs so I probably will spot tie t
hose 3-4 times between each rib. A running lace going through grommets woul
d be a nuisance.
I also plan to spot tie behind the panel as the runs will be short with many
loops and branches. I have small velcro cord organizers made for charging c
ords and will use those as temporary organizers as I run the wires. However
, I plan to replace all velcro with spot ties once I am done. Velcro just s
creams =9Camateur=9D to me, and yes, I realize I am building an e
xperimental - amateur built airplane. However, as a retired EE, I don
=99t want my electrical system to scream amateur to everyone who sees it.
In front of the firewall, I will use Adel clamps and zip ties very sparingly
. Even though zip ties are easy to use and easy to remove and used widely i
n the auto world, I just don=99t like them. They just scream =9C
mass produced=9D to me.
The nice thing about E-AB, is that we all get to choose our solutions and ho
nor our biases. Cheers.
Matt
Sent from my iPad
> On May 9, 2021, at 10:53 PM, Art Zemon <art@zemon.name> wrote:
>
> =EF=BB
>>
>
> Folks,
>
> I'll chime in here, too. I used both lacing and Velcro ties in my airplane
, on the cold side of the firewall. I laced the long runs of bundles of wire
s that I fabricated prior to installing them in the airplane. I used the lac
ing tape from Aircraft Spruce and made a little video on how I did it. No, i
t's not NASA spec but it's secure. I did have to remove the lacing from a co
uple of bundles and, believe me, it's secure!
>
> Inside the cabin and behind the panel, I used the thin Velcro ties that Bo
b linked to. I like these because they are very thin and flexible so they ar
e easy to use, even when you only have a few wires to tie up. I'm not worrie
d about longevity. Name-brand Velcro has been around a long time so I trust t
he material. Furthermore, it's a low-risk application. If they start to dete
riorate, I'll notice during the annual inspections and I can replace them. T
hese ties are only securing bundles of wire, not heavy components which hold
the airplane together.
>
> On the hot side of the firewall, I used the normal heat tolerant stuff: zi
p-ties and Adel clamps.
>
> -- Art Z.
>
> --
> https://CheerfulCurmudgeon.com/
> Friendship is like a stone. A stone has no value, but when you rub two sto
nes together properly, sparks of fire emerge.
> Rabbi Mordechai of Lechovitz
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| Subject: | Re: Thread Lacing Tape |
Matt,
It sounds like your plane will be gorgeous and exude the Professional Look.
Hopefully I'll get to see it at Oshkosh one of these years. I was more
interested in getting my plane safely into the air so I took the expedient
path. Now I am planning to redo the panel and rewire that end of the plane,
because I don't like how it looks. C'est la vie.
-- Art Z.
On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 6:52 AM Matthew S. Whiting <m.whiting@frontier.com>
wrote:
> Art,
>
> I went to look at your video and found it was one I had already watched.
> =F0=9F=98=81
>
> I likely will do a hybrid approach on my S-21 as well. I will probably
> lace the fuselage runs since they are long and straight and I don
=99t believe
> they go through grommets, but I don=99t remember what RANS recommen
ds there.
>
> The wing wires go through grommets in the ribs so I probably will spot ti
e
> those 3-4 times between each rib. A running lace going through grommets
> would be a nuisance.
>
> I also plan to spot tie behind the panel as the runs will be short with
> many loops and branches. I have small velcro cord organizers made for
> charging cords and will use those as temporary organizers as I run the
> wires. However, I plan to replace all velcro with spot ties once I am
> done. Velcro just screams =9Camateur=9D to me, and yes, I re
alize I am
> building an experimental - amateur built airplane. However, as a retired
> EE, I don=99t want my electrical system to scream amateur to everyo
ne who
> sees it.
>
> In front of the firewall, I will use Adel clamps and zip ties very
> sparingly. Even though zip ties are easy to use and easy to remove and
> used widely in the auto world, I just don=99t like them. They just
scream
> =9Cmass produced=9D to me.
>
> The nice thing about E-AB, is that we all get to choose our solutions and
> honor our biases. Cheers.
>
> Matt
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On May 9, 2021, at 10:53 PM, Art Zemon <art@zemon.name> wrote:
>
> =EF=BB
>
>>
>> Folks,
>
> I'll chime in here, too. I used both lacing and Velcro ties in my
> airplane, on the cold side of the firewall. I laced the long runs of
> bundles of wires that I fabricated prior to installing them in the
> airplane. I used the lacing tape from Aircraft Spruce and made a little
> video <https://cheerfulcurmudgeon.com/2016/12/19/how-to-lace-wire/> on
> how I did it. No, it's not NASA spec but it's secure. I did have to remov
e
> the lacing from a couple of bundles and, believe me, it's secure!
>
> Inside the cabin and behind the panel, I used the thin Velcro ties
> <https://www.homedepot.com/p/VELCRO-Brand-8-in-x-1-2-in-Reusable-Ties-50-
Pack-90924HD/202261940>
> that Bob linked to. I like these because they are very thin and flexible
so
> they are easy to use, even when you only have a few wires to tie up. I'm
> not worried about longevity. Name-brand Velcro has been around a long tim
e
> so I trust the material. Furthermore, it's a low-risk application. If the
y
> start to deteriorate, I'll notice during the annual inspections and I can
> replace them. These ties are only securing bundles of wire, not heavy
> components which hold the airplane together.
>
> On the hot side of the firewall, I used the normal heat tolerant stuff:
> zip-ties and Adel clamps.
>
> -- Art Z.
>
> --
> https://CheerfulCurmudgeon.com/
> *Friendship is like a stone. A stone has no value, but when you rub two
> stones together properly, sparks of fire emerge. *
> Rabbi Mordechai of Lechovitz
>
>
--
https://CheerfulCurmudgeon.com/
*Friendship is like a stone. A stone has no value, but when you rub two
stones together properly, sparks of fire emerge. *
Rabbi Mordechai of Lechovitz
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| Subject: | Re: Thread Lacing Tape |
Yes.
One end balloons out, and has a slot.=C2- I wrapped it around a tube and
brought the other end through the slot.=C2- Cinched it up tight,=C2- le
aving the velcro hanging.=C2- I'd then lay wires in, and stick the velcro
around just enough to hold it.=C2- Once all the wires were in place, I'd
rub the velcro down all around.=C2- It would only wrap a couple times on
a 1/2" tube.=C2- =C2-I'd cut them in places where I was just trying to
bundle the wires and not anchoring them.
That was a steel tube plane.=C2- On an aluminum plane or plastic plane, I
'd rivet or glue on a tab with a slot in it.=C2- That is a little harder,
because to get a good wrap you need to feed it back through the slot, slid
ing the velcro against itself.=C2- The velcro doesn't want to cooperate w
ith that operation.
On Sunday, May 9, 2021, 02:12:12 PM EDT, Robert L. Nuckolls, III <nucko
lls.bob@aeroelectric.com> wrote:
- I like these instead of ty wraps.
- https://www.homedepot.com/p/VELCRO-Brand-8-in-x-1-2-in-Reusable-Tie
s-50-Pack-90924HD/202261940
I've got some wires tied up in an airplane that have been there foryears.
=C2- Going back in to make modifications, the hardest part wasfinding the
end of the velcro so that I could get the "unwrap"started.=C2- Just as s
trong as when I put them on.
=C2- Good data point! Are your examples the
=C2- same product as above?=C2- I note that the
=C2- product cited is 1/2 x 8" . . . can you
=C2- cut them into smaller segments? 8" seems
=C2- like a LOT of stuff to wrap around a few
=C2- wires.
=C2- Bob . . .
=C2- Un impeachable logic: George Carlin asked, "If blackboxes
=C2- survive crashes, why don't they make the whole airplane
=C2- out of that stuff?"
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| Subject: | Re: Thread Lacing Tape |
No sure about gorgeous, but hopefully at least respectable looking. If you w
ant to see more details, I am keeping my builders log in the EAA site https:
//eaabuilderslog.org and you can search =9CWhiting=9D and find i
t.
Matt
Sent from my iPad
> On May 10, 2021, at 8:16 AM, Art Zemon <art@zemon.name> wrote:
>
> =EF=BB
> Matt,
>
> It sounds like your plane will be gorgeous and exude the Professional Look
. Hopefully I'll get to see it at Oshkosh one of these years. I was more int
erested in getting my plane safely into the air so I took the expedient path
. Now I am planning to redo the panel and rewire that end of the plane, beca
use I don't like how it looks. C'est la vie.
>
> -- Art Z.
>
>
>
>> On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 6:52 AM Matthew S. Whiting <m.whiting@frontier.co
m> wrote:
>> Art,
>>
>> I went to look at your video and found it was one I had already watched.
=F0=9F=98=81
>>
>> I likely will do a hybrid approach on my S-21 as well. I will probably l
ace the fuselage runs since they are long and straight and I don=99t b
elieve they go through grommets, but I don=99t remember what RANS reco
mmends there.
>>
>> The wing wires go through grommets in the ribs so I probably will spot ti
e those 3-4 times between each rib. A running lace going through grommets w
ould be a nuisance.
>>
>> I also plan to spot tie behind the panel as the runs will be short with m
any loops and branches. I have small velcro cord organizers made for chargi
ng cords and will use those as temporary organizers as I run the wires. How
ever, I plan to replace all velcro with spot ties once I am done. Velcro ju
st screams =9Camateur=9D to me, and yes, I realize I am building
an experimental - amateur built airplane. However, as a retired EE, I don
=99t want my electrical system to scream amateur to everyone who sees it.
>>
>> In front of the firewall, I will use Adel clamps and zip ties very sparin
gly. Even though zip ties are easy to use and easy to remove and used widel
y in the auto world, I just don=99t like them. They just scream
=9Cmass produced=9D to me.
>>
>> The nice thing about E-AB, is that we all get to choose our solutions and
honor our biases. Cheers.
>>
>> Matt
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>>> On May 9, 2021, at 10:53 PM, Art Zemon <art@zemon.name> wrote:
>>>>
>>> =EF=BB
>>>>
>>>
>>> Folks,
>>>
>>> I'll chime in here, too. I used both lacing and Velcro ties in my airpla
ne, on the cold side of the firewall. I laced the long runs of bundles of wi
res that I fabricated prior to installing them in the airplane. I used the l
acing tape from Aircraft Spruce and made a little video on how I did it. No,
it's not NASA spec but it's secure. I did have to remove the lacing from a c
ouple of bundles and, believe me, it's secure!
>>>
>>> Inside the cabin and behind the panel, I used the thin Velcro ties that B
ob linked to. I like these because they are very thin and flexible so they a
re easy to use, even when you only have a few wires to tie up. I'm not worri
ed about longevity. Name-brand Velcro has been around a long time so I trust
the material. Furthermore, it's a low-risk application. If they start to de
teriorate, I'll notice during the annual inspections and I can replace them.
These ties are only securing bundles of wire, not heavy components which ho
ld the airplane together.
>>>
>>> On the hot side of the firewall, I used the normal heat tolerant stuff: z
ip-ties and Adel clamps.
>>>
>>> -- Art Z.
>>>
>>> --
>>> https://CheerfulCurmudgeon.com/
>>> Friendship is like a stone. A stone has no value, but when you rub two s
tones together properly, sparks of fire emerge.
>>> Rabbi Mordechai of Lechovitz
>
>
> --
> https://CheerfulCurmudgeon.com/
> Friendship is like a stone. A stone has no value, but when you rub two sto
nes together properly, sparks of fire emerge.
> Rabbi Mordechai of Lechovitz
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| Subject: | Re: EarthX vs Concord Batteries |
OK, LOL, with both Charlie and Joe posting with first-hand experience with
the "no name" AGM batteries, I decided to try one. I found the Super Start
PowerSport ETX20L on the shelf at O'Reilly Auto Airplane Parts. Clearly the
same battery that Lowes sells under the Deka name. The store manager told
me how great their support is and chuckled when I asked him if that means
they will come give me a jump if the battery ever fails to start the
airplane. I'm sure that means that he will race right out with the jumper
cables.
Thanks again, everybody.
-- Art Z.
On Sun, May 9, 2021 at 11:18 PM Charlie England <ceengland7@gmail.com>
wrote:
> There's been some anecdotal evidence that newer Odysseys have had some
> quality/durability issues (short lifespans), but without knowing each
> battery's operational history it might not be fair to blame the brand.
>
> I've run generic SLA batteries on the firewall on a couple of RV4s for
> about 25 years. Never paid the premium for Odysseys. Typical life of around
> 4-5 years. Most I've ever paid was around $70, when lead prices were
> elevated. Typical price is around $40. 20AH or 22AH fit the same space as a
> PC680, with roughly the same cranking amps and more total energy. No
> vampire loads in the planes, and I never use a maintainer. Planes have
> often sat for a month or more without running.
>
> Only caution is to check the weight on any generic. If it's several pounds
> lighter than a PC680, the mfgr is likely lying about AH capacity (though
> it'll probably still crank the engine without issue).
>
> If it makes you feel better to pay more, that's fine, but my experience is
> that there's no need.
>
> And again, it's cheaper and healthier to lose the weight in the cockpit
> than the battery.
> ;-)
>
> Charlie
>
> Sent from BlueMail <http://www.bluemail.me/r?b=16470>
> On May 9, 2021, at 8:15 PM, Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Yes, batteries need to be shielded from heat. On the firewall should not
>> be a terribly hot area, but one could help by placing fire frax or
>> similar insulation around the battery box, or even creating a metal
>> shield spaced a bit outside the battery. You can buy at least 3 PC680s
>> for the price of one EarthX. Members of my EAA chapter using the 680 get
>> much better life than one year, here in Arizona.
>> My Odyssey is located in the rear of aircraft so heat is less an issue,
>> but still exposed to 120 ambient temps, plus sun heating of fuselage
>> when outside. 5 yrs and I replaced just to ensure reliability on long
>> cross-country trips.
>> Kelly
>>
>> On 5/9/2021 7:20 AM, Jared Yates wrote:
>>
>>> I found that I could get around a year out of a PC680 before I had to
>>> replace it. The Earthx has lasted much longer, and I think it is because
>>> the battery is forward of the firewall. The high temp tolerance is
>>> better on the Earthx. If your battery isn't in a warm environment,
>>> perhaps the PC680 will be up to the task. I've never had any problems in
>>> the cold with the Earthx as the other poster has.
>>>
>>> On Sun, May 9, 2021 at 9:38 AM Art Zemon <art@zemon.name
>>> <mailto:art@zemon.name>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks for the advice, everybody. After reading what y'all wrote and
>>> doing more research, I am leaning toward the Odyssey PC680. I think
>>> that will provide plenty of amps for starting my IO-360.
>>>
>>> I have had to keep my old battery on a trickle charger and am very
>>> much looking forward to not needing to hook that up after every flight.
>>>
>>> -- Art Z.
>>>
>>> On Sat, May 8, 2021 at 8:09 AM Art Zemon <art@zemon.name
>>> <mailto:art@zemon.name>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Folks,
>>>
>>> It's time to replace my old battery and wonder what the current
>>> group think is on EarthX batteries vs. something more
>>> "traditional" like Concord. This is a component of my airplane
>>> that I want to "just work." I'm not into bleeding edge
>>> experimentation.
>>>
>>> The primary use is starting a Lycoming IO-360 in Missouri. We
>>> don't get terribly cold winters but the summers can be brutal;
>>> over 100 degrees in the hangar in the afternoon.
>>>
>>> My charging system is all B & C Aero: primary and backup
>>> alternators with B & C Aero voltage regulators.
>>>
>>> The engine is not electrically dependent (dual mags) and with
>>> two alternators and an iPad on board, it would be inconvenient
>>> but not life threatening if the battery failed in flight.
>>>
>>> In that environment, it looks like the EarthX with its
>>> integrated BMS would be pretty much a drop-in replacement for my
>>> old lead acid battery. At worst, I might need to turn up the
>>> voltage on the backup voltage regulator from 13.5 V to 14.0 or
>>> so. The primary is already set to 14.5.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> https://CheerfulCurmudgeon.com/ <https://CheerfulCurmudgeon.com/>
>>> /Friendship is like a stone. A stone has no value, but when you rub
>>> two stones together properly, sparks of fire emerge. /
>>> Rabbi Mordechai of Lechocs.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigato="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
--
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*Friendship is like a stone. A stone has no value, but when you rub two
stones together properly, sparks of fire emerge. *
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| Subject: | Re: Thread Lacing Tape |
At 08:18 AM 5/10/2021, you wrote:
>Yes.
>
>One end balloons out, and has a slot. I wrapped it around a tube
>and brought the other end through the slot. Cinched it up
>tight, leaving the velcro hanging. I'd then lay wires in, and
>stick the velcro around just enough to hold it. Once all the wires
>were in place, I'd rub the velcro down all around. It would only
>wrap a couple times on a 1/2" tube. I'd cut them in places where I
>was just trying to bundle the wires and not anchoring them.
>
>That was a steel tube plane. On an aluminum plane or plastic plane,
>I'd rivet or glue on a tab with a slot in it. That is a little
>harder, because to get a good wrap you need to feed it back through
>the slot, sliding the velcro against itself. The velcro doesn't
>want to cooperate with that operation.
Interesting. I've got to go to Wichita
sometime this week. I'll drop by HD and
see if I can find some.
Bob . . .
Un impeachable logic: George Carlin asked, "If black boxes
survive crashes, why don't they make the whole airplane
out of that stuff?"
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| Subject: | Re: Thread Lacing Tape |
Laced mine...under the boot cowl and firewall forward...much nicer and less l
ikely to cut oneself on the sharp stub from the tie wrap...if you don=99
t use flush cutting snips. I cut off all the tie wraps after lacing...
Sent from my iPad
> On 10 May 2021, at 11:24 AM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III <nuckolls.bob@aeroele
ctric.com> wrote:
>
> =EF=BB At 08:18 AM 5/10/2021, you wrote:
>> Yes.
>>
>> One end balloons out, and has a slot. I wrapped it around a tube and bro
ught the other end through the slot. Cinched it up tight, leaving the velc
ro hanging. I'd then lay wires in, and stick the velcro around just enough t
o hold it. Once all the wires were in place, I'd rub the velcro down all ar
ound. It would only wrap a couple times on a 1/2" tube. I'd cut them in p
laces where I was just trying to bundle the wires and not anchoring them.
>>
>> That was a steel tube plane. On an aluminum plane or plastic plane, I'd r
ivet or glue on a tab with a slot in it. That is a little harder, because t
o get a good wrap you need to feed it back through the slot, sliding the vel
cro against itself. The velcro doesn't want to cooperate with that operatio
n.
>
> Interesting. I've got to go to Wichita
> sometime this week. I'll drop by HD and
> see if I can find some.
>
>
> Bob . . .
>
> Un impeachable logic: George Carlin asked, "If black boxes
> survive crashes, why don't they make the whole airplane
> out of that stuff?"
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| Subject: | Re: Thread Lacing Tape |
High temp cord or standard for FWF?
Sent from my iPad
> On May 10, 2021, at 5:58 PM, Mark Moyle <moylemc@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> =EF=BBLaced mine...under the boot cowl and firewall forward...much nice
r and less likely to cut oneself on the sharp stub from the tie wrap...if yo
u don=99t use flush cutting snips. I cut off all the tie wraps after l
acing...
> <image1.jpeg>
> <image0.jpeg>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>>> On 10 May 2021, at 11:24 AM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III <nuckolls.bob@aeroe
lectric.com> wrote:
>>>
>> =EF=BB At 08:18 AM 5/10/2021, you wrote:
>>> Yes.
>>>
>>> One end balloons out, and has a slot. I wrapped it around a tube and br
ought the other end through the slot. Cinched it up tight, leaving the vel
cro hanging. I'd then lay wires in, and stick the velcro around just enough
to hold it. Once all the wires were in place, I'd rub the velcro down all a
round. It would only wrap a couple times on a 1/2" tube. I'd cut them in p
laces where I was just trying to bundle the wires and not anchoring them.
>>>
>>> That was a steel tube plane. On an aluminum plane or plastic plane, I'd
rivet or glue on a tab with a slot in it. That is a little harder, because
to get a good wrap you need to feed it back through the slot, sliding the v
elcro against itself. The velcro doesn't want to cooperate with that operat
ion.
>>
>> Interesting. I've got to go to Wichita
>> sometime this week. I'll drop by HD and
>> see if I can find some.
>>
>>
>> Bob . . .
>>
>> Un impeachable logic: George Carlin asked, "If black boxes
>> survive crashes, why don't they make the whole airplane
>> out of that stuff?"
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| Subject: | Re: Thread Lacing Tape |
Standard lacing has worked fine for me for 15 years even when on things
that run a little over 100*C.
Ken
On 10/05/2021 7:13 PM, Matthew S. Whiting wrote:
> High temp cord or standard for FWF?
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On May 10, 2021, at 5:58 PM, Mark Moyle <moylemc@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Laced mine...under the boot cowl and firewall forward...much nicer
>> and less likely to cut oneself on the sharp stub from the tie
>> wrap...if you dont use flush cutting snips. I cut off all the tie
>> wraps after lacing...
>> <image1.jpeg>
>> <image0.jpeg>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On 10 May 2021, at 11:24 AM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III
>>> <nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> At 08:18 AM 5/10/2021, you wrote:
>>>> Yes.
>>>>
>>>> One end balloons out, and has a slot. I wrapped it around a tube
>>>> and brought the other end through the slot. Cinched it up tight,
>>>> leaving the velcro hanging. I'd then lay wires in, and stick the
>>>> velcro around just enough to hold it. Once all the wires were in
>>>> place, I'd rub the velcro down all around. It would only wrap a
>>>> couple times on a 1/2" tube. I'd cut them in places where I was
>>>> just trying to bundle the wires and not anchoring them.
>>>>
>>>> That was a steel tube plane. On an aluminum plane or plastic
>>>> plane, I'd rivet or glue on a tab with a slot in it. That is a
>>>> little harder, because to get a good wrap you need to feed it back
>>>> through the slot, sliding the velcro against itself. The velcro
>>>> doesn't want to cooperate with that operation.
>>>
>>> Interesting. I've got to go to Wichita
>>> sometime this week. I'll drop by HD and
>>> see if I can find some.
>>>
>>>
>>> Bob . . .
>>>
>>> Un impeachable logic: George Carlin asked, "If black boxes
>>> survive crashes, why don't they make the whole airplane
>>> out of that stuff?"
>>>
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