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Mon 10/04/21


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     1. 04:52 AM - Top Cheap Essay Writing Service (nesan)
     2. 06:48 AM - Re: Integration of Rotax 912iS (user9253)
     3. 09:17 AM - Re: Estimates of Component Failure Probabilities (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
     4. 07:46 PM - Re: Integration of Rotax 912iS (Eric Page)
 
 
 


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    Time: 04:52:12 AM PST US
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    From: "nesan" <seoexecutive2.sassol@gmail.com>
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    Time: 06:48:47 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Integration of Rotax 912iS
    From: "user9253" <fransew@gmail.com>
    I suggest that the relay be eliminated. It is an unnecessary failure point. X3-3 is missing from your schematic. -------- Joe Gores Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=503393#503393 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/joe_rotax_is__166.jpg


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    Time: 09:17:36 AM PST US
    From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com>
    Subject: Re: Estimates of Component Failure Probabilities
    >Please help by giving your estimates of in-flight failure >probabilities and any other thoughts you might have on detection and >failure modes on the following components: Suppose I gave you a library of numbers on each of these components/systems . . . now what? If I were handed such a list along with their predicted failure rates and tasked with crafting a failure tolerant system . . . my first act would be to pitch the data into a 'round file'. MTBF, MTBO, service difficulty reports, dark-n-stormy night stories ALL go to make us afraid of the unknown/ unexpected. Know this about 'failure rates': They go much more to cost of ownership than to system reliability. The gold standard for rate studies tests a LARGE constellation of test articles to failure and then plots numbers of failures against time. Time to failure in simple systems will often plot in a nice bell-shaped curve that will tell you where the majority of parts will fail. But wait! A few of the parts can fail right out of the box. A few will last a very long time. YOUR part will fall somewhere on that curve. So you got some numbers . . . now what? Of what value is it to pick a part with more 'comfortable' numbers when in fact, the thing can still crap out about any time. Those MTBF numbers can be quite useful to the maintenance logistics manager of a large fleet . . . but for the guy sitting in the left seat . . . not so much. I could wax long and sorrowfully on the time I think I wasted doing MTBF studies for the boss . . . but the customer wanted them and paid for them. But now YOU are the customer . . . and your constellation of reasons for going OBAM aircraft are your own. No doubt SYSTEM reliability is high on the list along with cost of ownership, time to first flight, etc . . . where reliability speaks to probability of any single failure getting you or your airplane bent . . . or worse. This is really a rather simple task. What items in your ship's construct are things you cannot LIVE without? Obviously, wings need to stay on, propellers need to stay attached and it's nice if the engine runs. But as you run down the criticality list from greatest to least, you'll find that many things on the list do not create hazards to flight where failures are simply maintenance items. If things didn't break on airplanes, FBOs would be out of business. What you need to focus on are those items that add value to your system reliability such that you can get back to the FBO and haggle with him over the warranty. So once you've identified those can't-live- without systems then consider what features of those systems are under YOUR control. All you can do personally is install, operate and maintain. If something breaks inside, you're SOL. Solution? Plan-B. Have a back-up for every such appliance. But when it comes to owner/operator prophylactics against failure, careful attention to INSTALLATION (safety wire, bolt torque, lock nut, chaffing protection, gas tight joints etc), OPERATION (is that fuel selector valve getting stiff, new noise during starter engagement, new 'stumble' in one cylinder after startup, intermittent battery contactor, etc), and MAINTENANCE (oil changes, battery cap checks, propeller nicks, slop in belcrank hinges, etc). Note that not one of these potential failures is related to any MTBF study. Most engine stoppages are 'cause it ran out of gas. Most unplanned contacts with the earth terminate after a chain of poor decisions often combined with a lack of understanding as to how the ship's systems work. Consider the studies we've done here on the List for the Dark-n-Stormy Night stories so beloved by the journals. Few if any of those studies went to designing the probability of repeating the failure OUT of the airplane. None of the went offered any discovery follow-up by the mechanic that fixed anything. Virtually all went to crafting a mind set in the pilot (YOU) for dealing with a similar failure in the future. Virtually every electrical issue I've worked over the years had a foundation in human frailties . . . NOT in the failure of a components to function within its design goals and limits. Hogwash. We either design the failure OUT -or- make the failure INSIGNIFICANT with respect to comfortable termination of flight. Trust me. MTBF studies may be intellectually satisfying but they have nothing to do with your risks for a bad day in the cockpit. Bob . . . Un impeachable logic: George Carlin asked, "If black boxes survive crashes, why don't they make the whole airplane out of that stuff?"


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    Time: 07:46:09 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Integration of Rotax 912iS
    From: "Eric Page" <edpav8r@yahoo.com>
    Thanks, Joe. I appreciate you taking a look at this and posting your schematic. user9253 wrote: > X3-3 is missing from your schematic. Yeah, I didn't bother with the Start Power switch since the Fuse Box wasn't shown. I'll definitely include X3-2 and X3-3 when I flesh out the schematic. > I suggest that the relay be eliminated. It is an unnecessary failure point. > Simpler is better. If it is not installed, it can not fail. > Having 2 buses seems like a good idea, but complicates the electrical system. > If panel switches are arranged in order of importance from left to right, then in the event of alternator failure, the pilot can shut off switches on the right side to conserve battery energy. There is no need to shut off a whole bus. The pilot has the option of turning individual loads back on when needed. That's certainly true, but the likelihood of relay failure is very remote and I much prefer a hidden relay to a row of additional switches on the panel. I also like the simplicity of a 1-step response that properly configures the aircraft for maximum endurance. When the engine quits my IQ will drop by at least half, and the Engine Failure Checklist will already be long enough: - Best Glide Speed - ESTABLISH - Landing Site - CONSIDER - Fuel Quantity - CHECK - Fuel Shutoff Valve - ON - Fuel Pumps - BOTH ON - Lane Switches - BOTH ON - Backup Battery Switch - ON - Engine Start Switch - PUSH The relay module can easily be tested before each flight: - Backup Battery Switch - ON - Battery Master Switch - ON - EFIS Display - CHECK OFF - Backup Battery Switch - OFF - EFIS Display - CHECK ON It could fail two ways, open or closed. If it fails open on the ground, it will be immediately apparent before flight. If it fails open in flight, some avionics are lost but there is no jeopardy to the engine. If it fails closed any time after the pre-flight test, it has no effect unless both alternators also fail (near-zero chance on the same flight), and the failure will be detected before the next flight. The cost of components is ~$5 per module, so I would probably build two and keep a spare on the shelf. I don't think shutting off a bus carrying only non-essential items is a major concern. Losing the EFIS sounds ugly but I'm comfortable flying without engine instruments long enough to get on the ground, I'll still have a fully charged iPad to navigate with, and the comm radio will still be working, so I can get help if needed. Eric Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=503408#503408




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