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| Subject:  | Re: Integration of Rotax 912iS | 
      
      
      I suggest that the relay be eliminated.  It is an unnecessary failure point.
      X3-3 is missing from your schematic.
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Estimates of Component Failure   Probabilities | 
      
      
      >Please help by giving your estimates of in-flight failure 
      >probabilities and any other thoughts you might have on detection and 
      >failure modes on the following components:
      
         Suppose I gave you a library of numbers on each of these
         components/systems . . . now what?
      
         If I were handed such a list along with their predicted
         failure rates and tasked with crafting a failure tolerant
         system . . . my first act would be to pitch the data
         into a 'round file'.
      
         MTBF, MTBO, service difficulty reports, dark-n-stormy
         night stories ALL go to make us afraid of the unknown/
         unexpected.
      
         Know this about 'failure rates':  They go much more to
         cost of ownership than to system reliability. The
         gold standard for rate studies tests a LARGE constellation
         of test articles to failure and then plots numbers
         of failures against time.
      
         Time to failure in simple systems will often plot
         in a nice bell-shaped curve that will tell you
         where the majority of parts will fail. But wait!
         A few of the parts can fail right out of the box.
         A few will last a very long time. YOUR part will
         fall somewhere on that curve.
      
         So you got some numbers . . . now what? Of what
         value is it to pick a part with more 'comfortable'
         numbers when in fact, the thing can still crap
         out about any time.
      
         Those MTBF numbers can be quite useful to the
         maintenance logistics manager of a large fleet . . .
         but for the guy sitting in the left seat . . .
         not so much.
      
         I could wax long and sorrowfully on the time
         I think I wasted doing MTBF studies for
         the boss . . . but the customer wanted them
         and paid for them.
      
         But now YOU are the customer . . . and your
         constellation of reasons for going OBAM
         aircraft are your own. No doubt SYSTEM
         reliability is high on the list along with
         cost of ownership, time to first flight,
         etc . . . where reliability speaks to
         probability of any single failure getting
         you or your airplane bent . . . or worse.
      
         This is really a rather simple task. What
         items in your ship's construct are things
         you cannot LIVE without? Obviously, wings
         need to stay on, propellers need to stay
         attached and it's nice if the engine runs.
      
         But as you run down the criticality list
         from greatest to least, you'll find that
         many things on the list do not create
         hazards to flight where failures are simply
         maintenance items. If things didn't break
         on airplanes, FBOs would be out of business.
      
         What you need to focus on are those items
         that add value to your system reliability
         such that you can get back to the FBO and
         haggle with him over the warranty.
      
         So once you've identified those can't-live-
         without systems then consider what features
         of those systems are under YOUR control.
         All you can do personally is install, operate
         and maintain. If something breaks inside,
         you're SOL. Solution? Plan-B. Have a back-up
         for every such appliance.
      
         But when it comes to owner/operator prophylactics
         against failure, careful attention to INSTALLATION
         (safety wire, bolt torque, lock nut, chaffing
         protection, gas tight joints etc), OPERATION (is
         that fuel selector valve getting stiff, new noise
         during starter engagement, new 'stumble' in one
         cylinder after startup, intermittent battery
         contactor, etc), and MAINTENANCE (oil changes, battery
         cap checks, propeller nicks, slop in belcrank
         hinges, etc).
      
         Note that not one of these potential failures
         is related to any MTBF study.
      
         Most engine stoppages are 'cause it ran out of
         gas. Most unplanned contacts with the earth
         terminate after a chain of poor decisions often
         combined with a lack of understanding as to how
         the ship's systems work. Consider the studies
         we've done here on the List for the Dark-n-Stormy
         Night stories so beloved by the journals.
      
         Few if any of those studies went to designing
         the probability of repeating the failure OUT
         of the airplane. None of the went offered any
         discovery follow-up by the mechanic that fixed
         anything. Virtually all went to crafting
         a mind set in the pilot (YOU) for dealing with
         a similar failure in the future. Virtually every
         electrical issue I've worked over the years
         had a foundation in human frailties . . . NOT
         in the failure of a components to function within
         its design goals and limits.
      
         Hogwash. We either design the failure OUT -or-
         make the failure INSIGNIFICANT with respect
         to comfortable termination of flight. Trust
         me. MTBF studies may be intellectually satisfying
         but they have nothing to do with your risks
         for a bad day in the cockpit.
      
      
         Bob . . .
      
         Un impeachable logic: George Carlin asked, "If black boxes
         survive crashes, why don't they make the whole airplane
         out of that stuff?"
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Integration of Rotax 912iS | 
      
      
      Thanks, Joe.  I appreciate you taking a look at this and posting your schematic.
      
      
      user9253 wrote:
      > X3-3 is missing from your schematic.
      
      Yeah, I didn't bother with the Start Power switch since the Fuse Box wasn't shown.
      I'll definitely include X3-2 and X3-3 when I flesh out the schematic.
      
      
      > I suggest that the relay be eliminated.  It is an unnecessary failure point.
      > Simpler is better.  If it is not installed, it can not fail.
      > Having 2 buses seems like a good idea, but complicates the electrical system.
      > If panel switches are arranged in order of importance from left to right, then
      in the event of alternator failure, the pilot can shut off switches on the right
      side to conserve battery energy.  There is no need to shut off a whole bus.
      The pilot has the option of turning individual loads back on when needed.
      
      That's certainly true, but the likelihood of relay failure is very remote and I
      much prefer a hidden relay to a row of additional switches on the panel.  I also
      like the simplicity of a 1-step response that properly configures the aircraft
      for maximum endurance.  When the engine quits my IQ will drop by at least
      half, and the Engine Failure Checklist will already be long enough:
      
      - Best Glide Speed - ESTABLISH
      - Landing Site - CONSIDER
      - Fuel Quantity - CHECK
      - Fuel Shutoff Valve - ON
      - Fuel Pumps - BOTH ON
      - Lane Switches - BOTH ON
      - Backup Battery Switch - ON
      - Engine Start Switch - PUSH
      
      The relay module can easily be tested before each flight:
      
      - Backup Battery Switch - ON
      - Battery Master Switch - ON
      - EFIS Display - CHECK OFF
      - Backup Battery Switch - OFF
      - EFIS Display - CHECK ON
      
      It could fail two ways, open or closed.  If it fails open on the ground, it will
      be immediately apparent before flight.  If it fails open in flight, some avionics
      are lost but there is no jeopardy to the engine.  If it fails closed any
      time after the pre-flight test, it has no effect unless both alternators also
      fail (near-zero chance on the same flight), and the failure will be detected
      before the next flight.  The cost of components is ~$5 per module, so I would
      probably build two and keep a spare on the shelf.
      
      I don't think shutting off a bus carrying only non-essential items is a major concern.
      Losing the EFIS sounds ugly but I'm comfortable flying without engine
      instruments long enough to get on the ground, I'll still have a fully charged
      iPad to navigate with, and the comm radio will still be working, so I can get
      help if needed.
      
      Eric
      
      
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