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     1. 10:57 AM - Re: Too many Circuit breakers.... (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
 
 
 


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    Time: 10:57:14 AM PST US
    From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com>
    Subject: Re: Too many Circuit breakers....
    At 11:43 AM 9/29/2022, you wrote: ><ceengland7@gmail.com> > >I have a 'FWIW' general observation about electrical systems design >discussions that we have on this list/forum. (Some of us get email; >others use the forum, and stuff often doesn't 'translate' well >between the two formats.) > >The rise of multiple variations of electronic ignition and/or >computer controlled, high pressure fuel delivery, the replacement of >steam gauges with glass, and the increase in the number of people >flying homebuilts in the IFR environment, has made these discussions >much more difficult. > >Examples: >VFR & 'traditional' engine & panel? minimal effect on electrical system design >electronic ignition only (carb/mech injection fuel delivery)? >minimal effect on electrical system design >high pressure electronic fuel injection? HUGE effect >IFR? quite serious effect, especially with a glass panel >And I've probably forgotten other factors that significantly >influence electrical system design. > >I constantly see people post a question without a complete listing >of what will be installed, and how the plane will be operated. I >also frequently see answers that overlook one or more of the above >qualifiers even though it had been mentioned earlier. > >I wonder if it would help to have a list of installed appliances & >intended mission requirements at the top of every post when we're >discussing 'best practices'. Points well taken sir. I've received many a direct request for comment and analysis on a builder's proposed architecture and without fail, I have to start with asking about a load analysis (are your battery/alternator choices adequate to design goals?) and the request for recitation on what equipment is to be installed and how will the airplane be used (is there any single appliance the loss of which puts your airframe at-risk?). List EVERY device that will need ship's power. I.e. Pick a bus, feeder and protection size for each device. The important thing is to get every electrical load defined and down on paper. Then, come to the AEList and get some insights about how and under what flight condition might some 'critical' component become inoperative. For more than 50 years I've read the 'Dark-n- Stormy Night' stories in the journals. It wasn't until late in those years and well in to my aviation career did I come to understand how those stories sold a bill of goods to an under informed readership. Virtually all such stories focused on pilot awareness (or worry) about how to deal with a similar situation in the future. I can't recall reading any stories that spoke to root causes and reducing risk for that situation happening again. Of course, fixes to reduce risk in a TC aircraft require dispensation from On High. We are not so encumbered in OBAM Aviation Land. In 30+ years of rubbing elbows with the OBAM aviation community, EVERY sad tale of an aviator's demise due to electrical system issues will had root cause in errors of craftsmanship, maintenance and/or understanding. You're dead-on for asking that every load on the ship's busses be identified for demand, function and necessity for putting wheels on the ground with CONFIDENCE. I suggest that one print out some pages . . . https://tinyurl.com/2zxe4jsr with one page for each proposed bus. Get every load accounted for. Then share with as many individuals who are willing to brainstorm (here on the List would be good). Then deduce how each of those busses will be powered with a goal of achieving dual sources for mission critical items. Consider proposed pilot controls with a goal of minimizing numbers of switches and reducing risks for undesired events arising from mis-placement of switches. This philosophy drove the evolution of the library of z-figures not the least of which is what might become the "Mother of all Z-Figures", Z101. Z101 is 'modular' with a mix/match array of busses that cover the vast majority of powered flight projects. Should Z101 be found lacking in the service of some design goal, then let's thrash it out here on the List. This is how shortcomings are (1) identified and fixed or (2) dismissed as a trip down the rabbit hole. Bob . . . Un impeachable logic: George Carlin asked, "If black boxes survive crashes, why don't they make the whole airplane out of that stuff?"




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