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Fri 06/09/23


Total Messages Posted: 3



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     1. 08:21 AM - Re: Fw: VERY interesting discovery . . . (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
     2. 08:46 AM - Re: Re: Z101 switch state question: engine and main bus shutdown (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
     3. 10:35 AM - Re: Re: Z101 switch state question: engine and main bus shutdown (Charlie England)
 
 
 


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    Time: 08:21:41 AM PST US
    From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com>
    Subject: Re: VERY interesting discovery . . .
    At 08:41 PM 6/7/2023, you wrote: >I have Hakko FX-888D. Seems weaker than it's 65W. The Hakka tips are >ferrous throughout per my magnet and filing a notch in one finds no copper. > >I'm gonna try Amazon "ShineNow Quality T18 Soldering Tips". eBay >description is more complete, says "oxygen free pure copper as base, >plated with iron, coated with nichrome plating and pretinned with >lead free solder" Yup . . . that's the definitive description. Matches that found on Weller products as well. >On Tuesday, June 6, 2023, 7:33 PM, Sebastien <cluros@gmail.com> wrote: >Hi Bob, do you have a recommendation for where I can get copper tips >for my Hakko FX888D-23BY? I (and John) are checking out reliable sources. Will follow up. Bob . . . //// (o o) ===========o00o=(_)=o00o======== < Go ahead, make my day . . . > < show me where I'm wrong. > ================================ In the interest of creative evolution of the-best-we-know-how-to-do based on physics and good practice.


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    Time: 08:46:00 AM PST US
    From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com>
    Subject: Re: Z101 switch state question: engine and main
    bus shutdown >I suggest two >independent switches, one for aux alternator and one for aux bus. Under what condition would one wish to have independent control of battery and alternator that drives it? And how would one recognize and respond to that condition in flight? For a lot of years, the z-figures suggested a DPST on-off switch for battery/alternator. A pullable crowbar breaker offered means for achieving eliminating alternator drain for on maintenance on the ground. All busses in Z101 are dual feed paths for access to the battery. Driving the battery with short path from the alternator places it in the most strategic, worst case functionality. I think I've suggested before that the aux alternator be driven with an in-expensive 'ford' style regulator. It's tested every pre-flight and then not used for remainder of 99.99% of all flights. Probability of it failing after successful pre-flight and for duration of one tank of fuel is vanishingly small. Using a full-up LR3 regulator in this service is overkill. Bob . . . //// (o o) ===========o00o=(_)=o00o======== < Go ahead, make my day . . . > < show me where I'm wrong. > ================================ In the interest of creative evolution of the-best-we-know-how-to-do based on physics and good practice.


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    Time: 10:35:48 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Z101 switch state question: engine and main
    bus shutdown
    From: Charlie England <ceengland7@gmail.com>
    On 6/9/2023 10:45 AM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote: >> >> I suggest two >> independent switches, one for aux alternator and one for aux bus. >> > > Under what condition would one wish to have independent > control of battery and alternator that drives it? And > how would one recognize and respond to that condition > in flight? > Bob, For me, the critical factor here is not independent control of the battery; it's that the aux alternator is effectively playing the role of the internal generation system of a magneto; supplying electrical energy to the engine, even when the entirety of the airframe is made electrically 'cold'. As drawn in Z101: the aux alt cannot be working unless the aux bus is 'hot'. So, if we make the airframe 'cold', we're left with the battery running the high current-required engine control/injection system. My choice on my project was to have both the output and the control source tied to the *engine* bus, so if muscle memory causes me to shut down the airframe in an emergency, I can react in the same way that I trained in old mag/carb aircraft. This leaves the aux alt supplying current to the engine bus. Running an automotive style high pressure fuel injection system/computer/ignition places significantly higher demands on the electrical system, making battery-only operation a poor choice if there's any way to avoid it. Real world in-flight tests using a good-condition PC680 has demonstrated a max endurance of about 40 minutes of battery-only operation, even if the rest of the airframe loads are minimal. Reading the PC680 capacity specs aligns with real-world experience. Not acceptable, when it's so easy to work around it. FWIW, Charlie -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com




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