Today's Message Index:
----------------------
 
     1. 08:21 AM - Re: Fw: VERY interesting discovery . . . (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
     2. 08:46 AM - Re: Re: Z101 switch state question: engine and main bus shutdown (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
     3. 10:35 AM - Re: Re: Z101 switch state question: engine and main bus shutdown (Charlie England)
 
 
 
Message 1
| 					INDEX |  Back to Main INDEX |  
| 					NEXT |  Skip to NEXT Message |  
| 	LIST |  Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |  
| 		SENDER |  Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |  
  | 
      
      
| Subject:  | Re: VERY interesting discovery . . . | 
      
      At 08:41 PM 6/7/2023, you wrote:
      >I have Hakko FX-888D. Seems weaker than it's 65W. The Hakka tips are 
      >ferrous throughout per my magnet and filing a notch in one finds no copper.
      >
      >I'm gonna try Amazon "ShineNow Quality T18 Soldering Tips".  eBay 
      >description is more complete, says "oxygen free pure copper as base, 
      >plated with iron, coated with nichrome plating and pretinned with 
      >lead free solder"
      
               Yup . . . that's the definitive description.
              Matches that found on Weller products as
              well.
      
      >On Tuesday, June 6, 2023, 7:33 PM, Sebastien <cluros@gmail.com> wrote:
      >Hi Bob, do you have a recommendation for where I can get copper tips 
      >for my Hakko FX888D-23BY?
      
             I (and John) are checking out reliable sources.
             Will follow up.
      
      
         Bob . . .
      
                          ////
                         (o o)
          ===========o00o=(_)=o00o========
          < Go ahead, make my day . . .   >
          < show me where I'm wrong.      >
          ================================
      
          In the interest of creative evolution
          of the-best-we-know-how-to-do based
          on physics and good practice.
      
Message 2
| 					INDEX |  Back to Main INDEX |  
| 				PREVIOUS |  Skip to PREVIOUS Message |  
| 					NEXT |  Skip to NEXT Message |  
| 	LIST |  Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |  
| 		SENDER |  Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |  
  | 
      
      
| Subject:  | Re: Z101 switch state question: engine   and  main | 
      bus shutdown
      
      
      >I suggest two
      >independent switches, one for aux alternator and one for aux bus.
      
         Under what condition would one wish to have independent
         control of battery and alternator that drives it? And
         how would one recognize and respond to that condition
         in flight?
      
         For a lot of years, the z-figures suggested a DPST
         on-off switch for battery/alternator. A pullable
         crowbar breaker offered means for achieving eliminating
         alternator drain for on maintenance on the ground.
      
         All busses in Z101 are dual feed paths for access
         to the battery. Driving the battery with short
         path from the alternator places it in the most
         strategic, worst case functionality.
      
         I think I've suggested before that the aux alternator
         be driven with an in-expensive 'ford' style
         regulator. It's tested every pre-flight and then
         not used for remainder of 99.99% of all flights.
         Probability of it failing after successful pre-flight and
         for duration of one tank of fuel is vanishingly
         small. Using a full-up LR3 regulator in this
         service is overkill.
      
      
         Bob . . .
      
                          ////
                         (o o)
          ===========o00o=(_)=o00o========
          < Go ahead, make my day . . .   >
          < show me where I'm wrong.      >
          ================================
      
          In the interest of creative evolution
          of the-best-we-know-how-to-do based
          on physics and good practice.
      
Message 3
| 					INDEX |  Back to Main INDEX |  
| 				PREVIOUS |  Skip to PREVIOUS Message |  
| 					NEXT |  Skip to NEXT Message |  
| 	LIST |  Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |  
| 		SENDER |  Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |  
  | 
      
      
| Subject:  | Re: Z101 switch state question: engine and  main | 
      bus shutdown
      
      On 6/9/2023 10:45 AM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote:
      >>
      >>     I suggest two
      >>     independent switches, one for aux alternator and one for aux bus.
      >>
      >
      >  Under what condition would one wish to have independent
      >  control of battery and alternator that drives it? And
      >  how would one recognize and respond to that condition
      >  in flight?
      >
      Bob,
      For me, the critical factor here is not independent control of the 
      battery; it's that the aux alternator is effectively playing the role of 
      the internal generation system of a magneto; supplying electrical energy 
      to the engine, even when the entirety of the airframe is made 
      electrically 'cold'. As drawn in Z101:
      
      the aux alt cannot be working unless the aux bus is 'hot'. So, if we 
      make the airframe 'cold', we're left with the battery running the high 
      current-required engine control/injection system.
      
      My choice on my project was to have both the output and the control 
      source tied to the *engine* bus, so if muscle memory causes me to shut 
      down the airframe in an emergency, I can react in the same way that I 
      trained in old mag/carb aircraft. This leaves the aux alt supplying 
      current to the engine bus.
      
      Running an automotive style high pressure fuel injection 
      system/computer/ignition places significantly higher demands on the 
      electrical system, making battery-only operation a poor choice if 
      there's any way to avoid it. Real world in-flight tests using a 
      good-condition PC680 has demonstrated a max endurance of about 40 
      minutes of battery-only operation, even if the rest of the airframe 
      loads are minimal. Reading the PC680 capacity specs aligns with 
      real-world experience. Not acceptable, when it's so easy to work around it.
      
      FWIW,
      
      Charlie
      
      -- 
      This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
      www.avast.com
      
 
Other Matronics Email List Services
 
 
These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.
 
 
-- Please support this service by making your Contribution today! --
  
 |