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0. 11:23 AM - Please Make A Contribution To Support Your Lists (Matt Dralle)
1. 08:03 AM - Re: PLEASE READ - Matronics Email List 2023 Fund Raiser During November! (Matt Dralle)
2. 08:15 AM - Re: PLEASE READ - Matronics Email List 2023 Fund Raiser During November! (Terry Menees)
3. 09:41 AM - Progressive Toggle Switch is Hard to Find (Jeff Luckey)
4. 11:34 AM - Re: Progressive Toggle Switch is Hard to Find (Jared Yates)
5. 11:36 AM - Re: Progressive Toggle Switch is Hard to Find (prestonkavanagh)
6. 03:56 PM - Re: Progressive Toggle Switch is Hard to Find (Eric Page)
7. 07:00 PM - Re: Re: Non-aero GFCI question (Dave Saylor)
8. 07:27 PM - Re: Re: Non-aero GFCI question (Charlie England)
9. 07:42 PM - Re: Please Make A Contribution To Support Your Lists (Ron Cox)
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| Subject: | Please Make A Contribution To Support Your Lists |
Dear Listers,
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| Subject: | Re: PLEASE READ - Matronics Email List 2023 Fund Raiser |
During November!
What are your login usernames?
Matt
On Nov 2, 2023, 5:06 PM, at 5:06 PM,
Jeff Holdridge <jridge16@yahoo=2Ecom> wrote:
>I'd donate but I still can't
log in to my account=2E Nothing works=2E=C2- I
>tried registering twice w
ith two different LogID=2E=C2- I supposedly was
>approved for one account
but I can't log in=2E=C2- And haven't gotten any
>help=2E
>Jeff Holdridg
e
>
>On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 01:31:19 AM MDT, Matt Dralle
><drall
e@matronics=2Ecom> wrote:
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>Dear Listers,
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| Subject: | Re: PLEASE READ - Matronics Email List 2023 Fund |
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| Subject: | Progressive Toggle Switch is Hard to Find |
Listers,
I'm considering using a Carling S700-2-10 2-pole progressive transfer toggl
e switch but cannot find it at any of my usual suppliers.=C2- Is this swi
tch going obsolete?
I see it on B&Cs website but I'm hesitant to use it in a new design if they
are so difficult to find.
Perhaps I'm just not looking in the right places.=C2- Any thoughts?
TIA,
-Jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Progressive Toggle Switch is Hard to Find |
I got a couple from Stein I believe, but never was able to find them at the
non-aviation sources. I attributed this less to the switch being obsolete,
and more to me just not being able to get the right part number to google
for.
On Fri, Nov 3, 2023 at 12:46=AFPM Jeff Luckey <jluckey@pacbell.net> w
rote:
> Listers,
>
> I'm considering using a Carling S700-2-10 2-pole progressive transfer
> toggle switch but cannot find it at any of my usual suppliers. Is this
> switch going obsolete?
>
> I see it on B&Cs website but I'm hesitant to use it in a new design if
> they are so difficult to find.
>
> Perhaps I'm just not looking in the right places. Any thoughts?
>
>
> TIA,
>
> -Jeff
>
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| Subject: | Re: Progressive Toggle Switch is Hard to Find |
I like to buy Carling switches at Grainger's - they have multiple stores in Tampa, saving the shipping charges. For the rocker switch you name: https://www.grainger.com/search?searchQuery=Carling%20S700-2-10
FOr a general purpose switch finder, the best is at Digikey, but the one at Grainger's is not bad. See https://www.grainger.com/category/electrical/industrial-controls-automation-and-machine-safety/manual-and-foot-switches/toggle-switches
The progressive that's hard to find is off-on1-on1&2. It's out there, just hard
to find.
YMMV
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PBK3
PA-12, BD-4, RV6a, gliders, Rutan canards
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=511832#511832
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| Subject: | Re: Progressive Toggle Switch is Hard to Find |
Jeff, what do you want to control with the S700-2-10, and how do you want it to
work?
The S700 switches are Carling G-Series (https://www.carlingtech.com/toggle-switches-g-series) parts. The Carling catalog does not list ON-ON-ON or ON-ON-(ON) with progressive function as standard configurations. Furthermore, the -2-10 and -2-50 cannot be configured through Carling's online configuration tool (https://cfgwebprd.carlingtech.com/CI/series/A6/126), as the only available progressive option includes an OFF position (like the -2-11 and -2-51).
The ON-ON-ON function is only available as a 2-circuit (DPDT) non-progressive switch.
Given the lack of detail on B&C's website, the -2-10 may actually be a
Carling 2GH51-73 and not progressive. It's anyone's guess what the -2-50 actually
is, as there's no option for an ON-ON-(ON) configuration of any kind.
I believe the -2-10 may be (if it's progressive) -- and -2-50 almost certainly
is -- a special-order custom configuration that B&C requested from Carling. If
that's the case and you need the ON-ON-ON function of the -2-10, then B&C is
your only option, but I would ask them for confirmation of progressive function
before you order.
I put together a cross-reference of the B&C / Carling switches some time ago for
my own use, which I'll attach here. Use it at your own risk; I recommend confirming
part numbers with the Carling configuration tool before ordering from
sources other than B&C.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=511850#511850
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/bandc_s700_switch_cross_reference_661.pdf
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| Subject: | Re: Non-aero GFCI question |
Glen and Skywagonguy and all,
Same here, no GFCIs in series. The subpanel is powered by a standard
breaker right off the main panel. The common and two power leads are wired
to the right buses. There is a dedicated ground wire tying the main
panel and subpanel together. It's a little odd though that the ground wire
is several sizes smaller than the other three. I don't think that would
cause a problem, but I wonder how much current it would carry over its 250'
run.
Today I moved the GFCI breaker to a circuit that just has a single outlet
and a light, immediately adjacent to the subpanel. I replaced the GFCI
breaker on the outdoor plugs with a standard breaker, and I will put a GFCI
breaker at the plug I use the most. Fingers crossed, I hope to learn
another thing or two.
Thanks everyone for great suggestions.
--Dave
On Tue, Oct 31, 2023 at 6:41=AFPM user9253 <fransew@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> GFCI breakers and outlets are very sensitive. And some are more sensitiv
e
> than others. And some are too sensitive. All it takes is a few
> milliamps
> difference between the hot and neutral to trip. 50 milliamps through a
> person's heart can stop it from beating. I suggest that you replace the
> GFCI
> breaker with a standard breaker. Then replace every outlet with a GFCI
> outlet with no other outlets downstream of each GFCI outlet. Now if a
> GFCI
> outlet trips, either the load is defective or else the GFCI outlet is
> defective. If
> a GFCI outlet trips off, then power is only lost to whatever is plugged
> into that
> one outlet. The other GFCI outs should not be affected.
>
> --------
> Joe Gores
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=511684#511684
>
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| Subject: | Re: Non-aero GFCI question |
Not directly relevant to your GFCI issue, but the ground wire should
*never* carry current, unless there's a problem. It's common for the
ground wire to be a size smaller than the hot & neutral.
Charlie
On 11/3/2023 8:59 PM, Dave Saylor wrote:
> Glen and Skywagonguy and all,
>
> Same here, no GFCIs in series. The subpanel is powered by a standard
> breaker right off the main panel. The common and two power leads are
> wired to the right buses. There is a dedicated ground wire tying the
> main paneland subpanel together. It's a little odd though that the
> groundwire is several sizes smaller than the other three. I don't
> think that would cause a problem, but I wonder how much current it
> would carry over its 250' run.
>
> Today I moved the GFCI breaker to a circuit that just has a single
> outlet and a light, immediatelyadjacent to the subpanel. I replaced
> the GFCI breaker on theoutdoor plugs with a standard breaker, and I
> will put a GFCI breaker at the plug I use the most. Fingers crossed,
> I hope to learn another thing or two.
>
> Thanks everyone for great suggestions.
>
> --Dave
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 31, 2023 at 6:41PM user9253 <fransew@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> <fransew@gmail.com>
>
> GFCI breakers and outlets are very sensitive. And some are more
> sensitive
> than others. And some are too sensitive. All it takes is a few
> milliamps
> difference between the hot and neutral to trip. 50 milliamps
> through a
> person's heart can stop it from beating. I suggest that you
> replace the GFCI
> breaker with a standard breaker. Then replace every outlet with a
> GFCI
> outlet with no other outlets downstream of each GFCI outlet. Now
> if a GFCI
> outlet trips, either the load is defective or else the GFCI outlet
> is defective. If
> a GFCI outlet trips off, then power is only lost to whatever is
> plugged into that
> one outlet. The other GFCI outs should not be affected.
>
> --------
> Joe Gores
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Please Make A Contribution To Support Your Lists |
Matt,
The PayPal option doesn't appear to be working.
I'll try again later.
Ron Cox
Aeroelectric List
"Let us disappoint the Men who are raising themselves on the ruin of this
Country." - Sam Adams
On Fri, Nov 3, 2023 at 1:32=AFPM Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com> w
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