---------------------------------------------------------- AeroElectric-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 11/03/23: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 0. 11:23 AM - Please Make A Contribution To Support Your Lists (Matt Dralle) 1. 08:03 AM - Re: PLEASE READ - Matronics Email List 2023 Fund Raiser During November! (Matt Dralle) 2. 08:15 AM - Re: PLEASE READ - Matronics Email List 2023 Fund Raiser During November! (Terry Menees) 3. 09:41 AM - Progressive Toggle Switch is Hard to Find (Jeff Luckey) 4. 11:34 AM - Re: Progressive Toggle Switch is Hard to Find (Jared Yates) 5. 11:36 AM - Re: Progressive Toggle Switch is Hard to Find (prestonkavanagh) 6. 03:56 PM - Re: Progressive Toggle Switch is Hard to Find (Eric Page) 7. 07:00 PM - Re: Re: Non-aero GFCI question (Dave Saylor) 8. 07:27 PM - Re: Re: Non-aero GFCI question (Charlie England) 9. 07:42 PM - Re: Please Make A Contribution To Support Your Lists (Ron Cox) ________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________ Time: 11:23:13 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: AeroElectric-List: Please Make A Contribution To Support Your Lists Dear Listers, There is no advertising income to support the Matronics Email Lists and Forums. The operation is supported 100% by your personal Contributions during the November Fund Raiser. 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Matt On Nov 2, 2023, 5:06 PM, at 5:06 PM, Jeff Holdridge wrote: >I'd donate but I still can't log in to my account=2E Nothing works=2E=C2- I >tried registering twice w ith two different LogID=2E=C2- I supposedly was >approved for one account but I can't log in=2E=C2- And haven't gotten any >help=2E >Jeff Holdridg e > >On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 01:31:19 AM MDT, Matt Dralle > wrote: > tt Dralle > > >Dear Listers, > >Each November I hol d a PBS-like fund raiser to support the continued >operation and upgrade of the Email List and Fourm Services at >Matronics=2E=C2- It's solely throu gh the Contributions of List members (you) >that these Matronics Lists are possible=2E > >You have probably noticed that there are no banner ads or po p-up >windows on any of the Matronics Lists or related web sites such as th e >Forums site http://forums=2Ematronics=2Ecom, or other related pages such as >the List Search Engine http://www=2Ematronics=2Ecom/search , List Brow se >http://www=2Ematronics=2Ecom/listbrowse, etc=2E=C2- This is because I believe in >a List experience that is completely about the sport we all en joy - >namely Airplanes and not about annoying advertisements=2E > >During the month of November I will be sending out List messages every >couple of days reminding everyone that the Fund Raiser is underway=2E=C2- I >ask fo r your patience and understanding during the Fund Raiser and >throughout th ese regular messages=2E=C2- The Fund Raiser is only financial >support me chanism I have to pay all of the bills associated with >running these lists =2E=C2- YOUR personal Contribution counts! > >This year we have a really TERRIFIC line up of free gifts to go along >with the various Contribution l evels=2E=C2- There's something for everyone, >to be sure=2E > >Please mak e your List Contribution using any one of three secure >methods including u sing a Credit Card, PayPal, or by Personal Check=2E=C2- >All three method s afford you the opportunity to select one of this >year's free gifts with a qualifying Contribution amount!! > >To make your Contribution, please vis it the secure web site: > >=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- https://matronics=2E com/contribution > >I would like to thank everyone in advance for their gen erous financial >AND moral support over the years! > >Thank you! > >Matt Dr alle >Matronics Email List Administrator >RV-4/RV-6/RV-8 Builder/Rebuilder/ Pilot > > > - >S - >WIKI - > - >=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -M att Dralle, List Admin=2E > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:15:34 AM PST US From: Terry Menees Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: PLEASE READ - Matronics Email List 2023 Fund Raiser During November! 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I see it on B&Cs website but I'm hesitant to use it in a new design if they are so difficult to find. Perhaps I'm just not looking in the right places.=C2- Any thoughts? TIA, -Jeff ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:34:05 AM PST US From: Jared Yates Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Progressive Toggle Switch is Hard to Find I got a couple from Stein I believe, but never was able to find them at the non-aviation sources. I attributed this less to the switch being obsolete, and more to me just not being able to get the right part number to google for. On Fri, Nov 3, 2023 at 12:46=AFPM Jeff Luckey w rote: > Listers, > > I'm considering using a Carling S700-2-10 2-pole progressive transfer > toggle switch but cannot find it at any of my usual suppliers. Is this > switch going obsolete? > > I see it on B&Cs website but I'm hesitant to use it in a new design if > they are so difficult to find. > > Perhaps I'm just not looking in the right places. Any thoughts? > > > TIA, > > -Jeff > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:36:34 AM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Progressive Toggle Switch is Hard to Find From: "prestonkavanagh" I like to buy Carling switches at Grainger's - they have multiple stores in Tampa, saving the shipping charges. For the rocker switch you name: https://www.grainger.com/search?searchQuery=Carling%20S700-2-10 FOr a general purpose switch finder, the best is at Digikey, but the one at Grainger's is not bad. See https://www.grainger.com/category/electrical/industrial-controls-automation-and-machine-safety/manual-and-foot-switches/toggle-switches The progressive that's hard to find is off-on1-on1&2. It's out there, just hard to find. YMMV -------- PBK3 PA-12, BD-4, RV6a, gliders, Rutan canards Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=511832#511832 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:56:46 PM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Progressive Toggle Switch is Hard to Find From: "Eric Page" Jeff, what do you want to control with the S700-2-10, and how do you want it to work? The S700 switches are Carling G-Series (https://www.carlingtech.com/toggle-switches-g-series) parts. The Carling catalog does not list ON-ON-ON or ON-ON-(ON) with progressive function as standard configurations. Furthermore, the -2-10 and -2-50 cannot be configured through Carling's online configuration tool (https://cfgwebprd.carlingtech.com/CI/series/A6/126), as the only available progressive option includes an OFF position (like the -2-11 and -2-51). The ON-ON-ON function is only available as a 2-circuit (DPDT) non-progressive switch. Given the lack of detail on B&C's website, the -2-10 may actually be a Carling 2GH51-73 and not progressive. It's anyone's guess what the -2-50 actually is, as there's no option for an ON-ON-(ON) configuration of any kind. I believe the -2-10 may be (if it's progressive) -- and -2-50 almost certainly is -- a special-order custom configuration that B&C requested from Carling. If that's the case and you need the ON-ON-ON function of the -2-10, then B&C is your only option, but I would ask them for confirmation of progressive function before you order. I put together a cross-reference of the B&C / Carling switches some time ago for my own use, which I'll attach here. Use it at your own risk; I recommend confirming part numbers with the Carling configuration tool before ordering from sources other than B&C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=511850#511850 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/bandc_s700_switch_cross_reference_661.pdf ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:00:38 PM PST US From: Dave Saylor Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Non-aero GFCI question Glen and Skywagonguy and all, Same here, no GFCIs in series. The subpanel is powered by a standard breaker right off the main panel. The common and two power leads are wired to the right buses. There is a dedicated ground wire tying the main panel and subpanel together. It's a little odd though that the ground wire is several sizes smaller than the other three. I don't think that would cause a problem, but I wonder how much current it would carry over its 250' run. Today I moved the GFCI breaker to a circuit that just has a single outlet and a light, immediately adjacent to the subpanel. I replaced the GFCI breaker on the outdoor plugs with a standard breaker, and I will put a GFCI breaker at the plug I use the most. Fingers crossed, I hope to learn another thing or two. Thanks everyone for great suggestions. --Dave On Tue, Oct 31, 2023 at 6:41=AFPM user9253 wrote: > > GFCI breakers and outlets are very sensitive. And some are more sensitiv e > than others. And some are too sensitive. All it takes is a few > milliamps > difference between the hot and neutral to trip. 50 milliamps through a > person's heart can stop it from beating. I suggest that you replace the > GFCI > breaker with a standard breaker. Then replace every outlet with a GFCI > outlet with no other outlets downstream of each GFCI outlet. Now if a > GFCI > outlet trips, either the load is defective or else the GFCI outlet is > defective. If > a GFCI outlet trips off, then power is only lost to whatever is plugged > into that > one outlet. The other GFCI outs should not be affected. > > -------- > Joe Gores > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=511684#511684 > > =========== =========== =========== =========== =========== > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:27:05 PM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Non-aero GFCI question From: Charlie England Not directly relevant to your GFCI issue, but the ground wire should *never* carry current, unless there's a problem. It's common for the ground wire to be a size smaller than the hot & neutral. Charlie On 11/3/2023 8:59 PM, Dave Saylor wrote: > Glen and Skywagonguy and all, > > Same here, no GFCIs in series. The subpanel is powered by a standard > breaker right off the main panel. The common and two power leads are > wired to the right buses. There is a dedicated ground wire tying the > main paneland subpanel together. It's a little odd though that the > groundwire is several sizes smaller than the other three. I don't > think that would cause a problem, but I wonder how much current it > would carry over its 250' run. > > Today I moved the GFCI breaker to a circuit that just has a single > outlet and a light, immediatelyadjacent to the subpanel. I replaced > the GFCI breaker on theoutdoor plugs with a standard breaker, and I > will put a GFCI breaker at the plug I use the most. Fingers crossed, > I hope to learn another thing or two. > > Thanks everyone for great suggestions. > > --Dave > > > On Tue, Oct 31, 2023 at 6:41PM user9253 wrote: > > > > GFCI breakers and outlets are very sensitive. And some are more > sensitive > than others. And some are too sensitive. All it takes is a few > milliamps > difference between the hot and neutral to trip. 50 milliamps > through a > person's heart can stop it from beating. I suggest that you > replace the GFCI > breaker with a standard breaker. Then replace every outlet with a > GFCI > outlet with no other outlets downstream of each GFCI outlet. Now > if a GFCI > outlet trips, either the load is defective or else the GFCI outlet > is defective. If > a GFCI outlet trips off, then power is only lost to whatever is > plugged into that > one outlet. The other GFCI outs should not be affected. > > -------- > Joe Gores > > -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:42:16 PM PST US From: Ron Cox Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Please Make A Contribution To Support Your Lists Matt, The PayPal option doesn't appear to be working. I'll try again later. Ron Cox Aeroelectric List "Let us disappoint the Men who are raising themselves on the ruin of this Country." - Sam Adams On Fri, Nov 3, 2023 at 1:32=AFPM Matt Dralle w rote: m > > > > Dear Listers, > > There is no advertising income to support the Matronics Email Lists and > Forums. The operation is supported 100% by your personal Contributions > during the November Fund Raiser. > > Please make your Contribution today to support the continued operation an d > upgrade of these services. 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