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| Subject: | Deutsch, the big brother of Dsub |
I was never fond of the stamped pins of the Molex connectors, neither how bad they
sometimes fit together :)
Now due to a discussion on another Forum (glasair owners) I became aware of the
Deutsch connectors.
Seems they are very wide used in the car industrie and you can get machined pins
(similar to the d-sub pins).
They come in several sizes/ratings:
DT Series connectors accept size 16 (13 amp) pins and sockets and accommodate wire
sizes 12-20 AWG
DTM Series connectors accept size 20 (7.5 amp) pins and sockets and accommodate
wire sizes 16-22 AWG
DTP Series connectors accept size 12 (25 amp) pins and sockets and accommodate
wire sizes 10-14 AWG
DTHD Series connectors accept size 4 (100 amp), size 8 (60 amp), or size 12 (25
amp) pins and sockets and accommodate wire sizes 6-14 AWG
There is a nice set available in the US on Amazon from JRready:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DB1YMX34?tag=coolairp-20
When you compare please be aware to check you have the solid pins not the stamped.
They offer as well add ons for e.g bulkhead connectors see below.
For Europe I did buy things seperate as the shop does not have the same set.
The pins delivered with it are down to AWG16 I did order additional pins for AWG
14 for my 7Star lights.
Hope someone finds this info of help!
Merry Xmas all
Werner
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| Subject: | Re: Deutsch, the big brother of Dsub |
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The "Deutsch" connectors sold on eBay and Amazon are almost all Chinese knock-offs,
not genuine parts. There's no guarantee that they're made from the same
plastics, elastomers and metals as genuine Deutsch parts, or that they conform
to the identical dimensions or surface finishes, which are critical for the seals
to work properly.
If you want to use Deutsch connectors but don't like their high prices, look for
the Amphenol equivalents. All Amphenol parts are entirely interchangeable with
their Deutsch counterparts, they're made by a reputable manufacturer, distributed
through traceable supply chains, and they cost significantly less than
Deutsch. Here are links to the Amphenol product webpages:
Amphenol ATM (https://www.amphenol-sine.com/atm-series) = Deutsch DTM (7.5A per contact)
Amphenol AT (https://www.amphenol-sine.com/at-series) = Deutsch DT (13A per contact)
Amphenol ATP (https://www.amphenol-sine.com/atp-series) = Deutsch DTP (25A per contact)
Amphenol ATHD (https://www.amphenol-sine.com/athd-power-connectors) = Deutsch DTHD (25, 60 or 100A per contact)
Look for the PDF documents at the bottom of each Amphenol product page for part
numbering charts.
Digi-Key (https://www.digikey.com/), Mouser (https://www.mouser.com/), Newark (https://www.newark.com/), Waytek Wire (https://www.waytekwire.com/catalog/connectors), WireCare (https://www.wirecare.com/manufacturers/amphenol), BuyDeutsch (https://www.buydeutsch.com/collections/amphenol) and many others carry these connectors.
I'll echo Werner's recommendation to use machined contacts, not stamped-and-formed, as it's much easier to get good results when crimping. For good quality, inexpensive crimp tooling, look for the tools made by Iwiss (often sold under the iCrimp brand). For ATM/DTM, get the IWD-20 (https://www.icrimptools.com/collections/heavy-duty-connector-crimping-tool/products/iwiss-closed-barrel-crimper-4-way-indents-8-impressions-for-deutsch-solid-contacts-gage-20-22iwd-20), for AT/DT, get the IWD-16 (https://www.icrimptools.com/collections/heavy-duty-connector-crimping-tool/products/iwiss-closed-barrel-crimper-4-way-indent-8-impression-type-for-deutsch-solid-contacts-gage-14-16-18iwd-16) and for ATP/DTP, get the IWD-12 (https://www.icrimptools.com/collections/heavy-duty-connector-crimping-tool/products/iwiss-closed-barrel-crimper-4-way-indent-8-impression-type-for-deutsch-solid-contacts-gage-12-iwd-12). All of these are usually available at good prices on Amazon and eBay. If you already have a Size 20 crimper for standard-density machined D-Sub contacts, give it a try on ATM/DTM before you buy another tool; it may work fine with a small depth adjustment.
All you really need for contact removal tools are a small flat-blade screwdriver and a mini pick. If you want a specific tool, Amazon has one for $6 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0BZJ8Q7WD) that works for all connector sizes.
I have saved lists at Digi-Key containing all of the basic components for ATM,
AT and ATP series connectors in all available pin counts. See the links below:
ATM: https://www.digikey.com/en/mylists/list/S9PGBP85ZQ (https://www.digikey.com/en/mylists/list/S9PGBP85ZQ)
AT: https://www.digikey.com/en/mylists/list/XMKHB6MTG5 (https://www.digikey.com/en/mylists/list/XMKHB6MTG5)
ATP: https://www.digikey.com/en/mylists/list/6UR6QPAV5H (https://www.digikey.com/en/mylists/list/6UR6QPAV5H)
I included all of the pins and sockets that Digi-Key carries; a few additional
part numbers are listed in the Amphenol chart but not in Digi-Key's catalog.
To build a connector pair you need the following parts:
- plug housing + socket contacts
- plug wedge lock
- receptacle housing + pin contacts
- receptacle wedge lock
- sealing plug for every unused position in each housing
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