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1. 06:00 AM - Re: Pitot Location (Hugh McKay)
2. 06:12 AM - Re: Pitot Location (Dee LeBlanc)
3. 07:33 AM - Re: Re: Build Pictures (doug@allegrolsa.com)
4. 07:40 AM - Re: Fuel Vapors in Cockpit (Hugh McKay)
5. 01:51 PM - Re: Fuel Vapors in Cockpit (Dee LeBlanc)
6. 04:43 PM - Re: Fuel Vapors in Cockpit (Hugh McKay)
7. 04:59 PM - Re: Fuel Vapors in Cockpit (Dee LeBlanc)
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Subject: | Re: Pitot Location |
Dee One,
Doug Hempsted at LSA America should have these kits. Just Google LSA
America. You will see how to contact them.
Hugh G. McKay III, P.E. Fellow, L.M. ASCE
Senior Consultant
Worldwide Engineering Inc.
4090 North NC Hwy. 16
Denver, NC 28037
Ph. 704-661-8271
Fax 704-483-5466
email hgmckay@bellsouth.net
http://www.wwegeo.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Dee One
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 4:01 PM
Subject: Allegro-List: Pitot Location
My 2007 Allegro pitot location is on the vertical stabilizer. The ASI varies
wildly 10-15mph. Doug at Allegro said there's a kit to convert to a wing or
strut mounted pitot; however I'm not able to get information on this kit.
Would anyone know where I can obtain a kit or instructions for this
conversion? Thanks for your response.
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Subject: | Re: Pitot Location |
Thanks, I've called and emailed several times,; my problem is no
response for 6 to 8 weeks now. I'm sure they're tied up with sun and fun
now. I'll continue to try; thanks for your response.
Dee LeBlanc
leblancds@cox.net
cell 225-802-1038
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. The hell shit
> On Apr 4, 2016, at 7:59 AM, Hugh McKay <hgmckay@bellsouth.net> wrote:
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<hgmckay@bellsouth.net>
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> Dee One,
>
> Doug Hempsted at LSA America should have these kits. Just Google LSA
America. You will see how to contact them.
>
> Hugh G. McKay III, P.E. Fellow, L.M. ASCE
> Senior Consultant
> Worldwide Engineering Inc.
> 4090 North NC Hwy. 16
> Denver, NC 28037
>
> Ph. 704-661-8271
> Fax 704-483-5466
> email hgmckay@bellsouth.net
> http://www.wwegeo.com
> -----Original Message----- From: Dee One
> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 4:01 PM
> To: allegro-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Allegro-List: Pitot Location
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> My 2007 Allegro pitot location is on the vertical stabilizer. The ASI
varies wildly 10-15mph. Doug at Allegro said there's a kit to convert to
a wing or strut mounted pitot; however I'm not able to get information
on this kit. Would anyone know where I can obtain a kit or instructions
for this conversion? Thanks for your response.
>
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> Today is a Gift
> That=99s Why They Call it the Present
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Subject: | Re: Build Pictures |
Luis,
I am so sorry I did not catch your name earlier. As you will remember, we
were in an ultralight club together in Whitsett, NC Please give me a call
and I will make sure all your questions are answered. I look forward to t
alking with you again. I hope you and your son and family are doing well
=2E
Doug Hemptsead
252-586-1200 - office
336-202-1585 - cell
--------- Original Message --------- Subject: Re: Allegro-List: Build Pictu
res
From: "Luis Quijano" <quijanoluis22@gmail.com>
It's a 2005 Allegro 2000
On Apr 1, 2016 4:38 PM, "Jerry Goldberg" <jkgcpa@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
Luis, I have a construction CD for the Allegro 2000 that has that. Which
model do you have?
Thanks, Jerry N44456 Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 1, 2016, at 2:03 PM, Luis Quijano <quijanoluis22@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,
I just bought an Allegro that sat in a hanger for about 7 years and the pr
evious owner cut all fuel lines and electrical connect when he pulled the e
ngine out to get looked at because of a prop strike. I have all the electri
cal connection all set but I can't seem to figure out the fuel hose. Does a
nyone has picture of the engine setup with all fuel lines I do have wing ta
nks .
Thank you for your help.
Luis
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Subject: | Re: Fuel Vapors in Cockpit |
Dee One,
If you are smelling fuel, my first suggestion is "don't fly the plane until
you find the source of the fuel smell". You have too much at stake, your
life!!
Is your airplane a new allegro that was manufactured by LSA America? If it
is call them and ask for help in finding the source of the fuel odor. If you
bought your plane as a used Allegro, I would still call them. Another
question is your Allegro a S-LSA or and E-LSA? If you have a S-LSA Allegro
you probably have only a limited amount of technical information, drawings,
diagrams, etc.. I fly an E-LSA Allegro 2000 model which I built from a Kit
and know intimately, and can only comment on that airplane (which is a
little different than an Allegro 2007 model). On the Allegro 2000 the
electric fuel pump is just in front of the main belly tank under the floor
board. Not sure where it is on the 2007 Model. Also, if you have wing tanks
the plumbing for the fuel lines is much more complex than with out wing
tanks.
My first suggestion is to check the two fuel vent connections on the main
fuel tank under your seat. They should be located just inside the cockpit on
the very left side of the tank under the carpet covering.
My second suggestion is to remove the top engine cowl and carefully inspect
ALL the fuel line connections to the mechanical fuel pump, the fuel
distributer (a five prong device that has five fuel lines connected to it)
located on the top of the engine, and all fuel lines down stream from the
fuel distributer. One of these downstream lines is a vent line back to the
main fuel tank, one goes to the fuel pressure gage on your instrument
panel(if you have a mechanical pressure gage), two go to the two carbs., and
the last is the line coming in from the engine fuel pump.
My third suggestion is to find out where the electric fuel pump is located.
If it is under the floor board remove the floor board and check the fuel
line connections to the electric fuel pump and the fuel tank, and the
gascolator if it has one, and all other fuel line connections between the
gascolator and the engine fuel pump.
Do these inspections in sequence and hopefully you will find the problem,
but by all means don't fly the plane until you find the source of fuel odor
and correct it.
Hugh G. McKay III, P.E. Fellow, L.M. ASCE
Senior Consultant
Worldwide Engineering Inc.
4090 North NC Hwy. 16
Denver, NC 28037
Ph. 704-661-8271
Fax 704-483-5466
email hgmckay@bellsouth.net
http://www.wwegeo.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Dee One
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 4:25 PM
Subject: Allegro-List: Fuel Vapors in Cockpit
I had my maiden flight in my 2007 Allegro yesterday. One concern that I had
was the smell of fuel particularly at low airspeed. My 17 gallon tank is in
the fuselage under the seats. Has anyone else experienced this issue and if
so what was your resolution? Also, would anyone happen to have a fuel system
diagram showing feed lines, return lines, and vent lines . . . This may help
to determine where are the vapors are originating from. Thanks for your
response.
--------
The Past is History
The Future is a Mystery
Today is a Gift
Thats Why They Call it the Present
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=454512#454512
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Subject: | Re: Fuel Vapors in Cockpit |
Hello Hugh, good to hear back from you. I have already completed all of
the actions that you have suggested below. I have checked all the
connections and they all look good. I have made a fuel system diagram
and it is as you described below. The only anomaly that I found was fuel
stains on the belly between the gascolater (which is in front of the
firewall) and the fuel tank drain valve. The fumes may be coming from
the gascolater and it may have a bad gasket. I will check into that.
Thanks again.
Dee LeBlanc
Aerospace Engineer, AIAA
Aero One Ltd
leblancds@cox.net
cell 225-802-1038
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The Past is History
The Future is a Mystery
Today is a Gift
That=92s Why They Call it the Present
> On Apr 4, 2016, at 9:40 AM, Hugh McKay <hgmckay@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
<hgmckay@bellsouth.net>
>
> Dee One,
>
> If you are smelling fuel, my first suggestion is "don't fly the plane
until you find the source of the fuel smell". You have too much at
stake, your life!!
>
> Is your airplane a new allegro that was manufactured by LSA America?
If it is call them and ask for help in finding the source of the fuel
odor. If you bought your plane as a used Allegro, I would still call
them. Another question is your Allegro a S-LSA or and E-LSA? If you have
a S-LSA Allegro you probably have only a limited amount of technical
information, drawings, diagrams, etc.. I fly an E-LSA Allegro 2000 model
which I built from a Kit and know intimately, and can only comment on
that airplane (which is a little different than an Allegro 2007 model).
On the Allegro 2000 the electric fuel pump is just in front of the main
belly tank under the floor board. Not sure where it is on the 2007
Model. Also, if you have wing tanks the plumbing for the fuel lines is
much more complex than with out wing tanks.
>
> My first suggestion is to check the two fuel vent connections on the
main fuel tank under your seat. They should be located just inside the
cockpit on the very left side of the tank under the carpet covering.
> My second suggestion is to remove the top engine cowl and carefully
inspect ALL the fuel line connections to the mechanical fuel pump, the
fuel distributer (a five prong device that has five fuel lines connected
to it) located on the top of the engine, and all fuel lines down stream
from the fuel distributer. One of these downstream lines is a vent line
back to the main fuel tank, one goes to the fuel pressure gage on your
instrument panel(if you have a mechanical pressure gage), two go to the
two carbs., and the last is the line coming in from the engine fuel
pump.
>
> My third suggestion is to find out where the electric fuel pump is
located. If it is under the floor board remove the floor board and check
the fuel line connections to the electric fuel pump and the fuel tank,
and the gascolator if it has one, and all other fuel line connections
between the gascolator and the engine fuel pump.
>
> Do these inspections in sequence and hopefully you will find the
problem, but by all means don't fly the plane until you find the source
of fuel odor and correct it.
>
>
>
> Hugh G. McKay III, P.E. Fellow, L.M. ASCE
> Senior Consultant
> Worldwide Engineering Inc.
> 4090 North NC Hwy. 16
> Denver, NC 28037
>
> Ph. 704-661-8271
> Fax 704-483-5466
> email hgmckay@bellsouth.net
> http://www.wwegeo.com
> -----Original Message----- From: Dee One
> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 4:25 PM
> To: allegro-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Allegro-List: Fuel Vapors in Cockpit
>
>
> I had my maiden flight in my 2007 Allegro yesterday. One concern that
I had was the smell of fuel particularly at low airspeed. My 17 gallon
tank is in the fuselage under the seats. Has anyone else experienced
this issue and if so what was your resolution? Also, would anyone happen
to have a fuel system diagram showing feed lines, return lines, and vent
lines . . . This may help to determine where are the vapors are
originating from. Thanks for your response.
>
> --------
> The Past is History
> The Future is a Mystery
> Today is a Gift
> That=99s Why They Call it the Present
>
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>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=454512#454512
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Subject: | Re: Fuel Vapors in Cockpit |
Dee,
If all other fuel connections are good the problem may very well be at
the gascolater, especially if there are fuel stains on the underside of
the airplane=92s belly. If the gascolater has never been opened it may
have a bad gasket to begin with, or if it has been opened to check for
contaminated fuel and bulb re-set; the gasket could be pinched, or the
bulb not seated properly on the gasket before tightening. Another
possibility is that the bulb itself is cracked due to over tightening.
Either of these could cause a small fuel lake at the gascolater which
because if its location would allow fumes to come up inside the cockpit
under the floor board when taxiing (low engine rpms and very low air
speed. speeds. It is going to be hard to determine if the bulb gasket is
damaged because of its location, but you can check the integrity of the
bulb by simply removing it and carefully inspecting it. I would check
the bulb first. If it is not damaged (cracked), then carefully inspect
the gasket seat in the bulb housing using a bright light. Of course
before you do this you will have to drain all the fuel!
Hugh G. McKay III, P.E. Fellow, L.M. ASCE
Senior Consultant
Worldwide Engineering Inc.
4090 North NC Hwy. 16
Denver, NC 28037
Ph. 704-661-8271
Fax 704-483-5466
email hgmckay@bellsouth.net
http://www.wwegeo.com
From: Dee LeBlanc
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: Allegro-List: Fuel Vapors in Cockpit
Hello Hugh, good to hear back from you. I have already completed all of
the actions that you have suggested below. I have checked all the
connections and they all look good. I have made a fuel system diagram
and it is as you described below. The only anomaly that I found was fuel
stains on the belly between the gascolater (which is in front of the
firewall) and the fuel tank drain valve. The fumes may be coming from
the gascolater and it may have a bad gasket. I will check into that.
Thanks again.
Dee LeBlanc
Aerospace Engineer, AIAA
Aero One Ltd
leblancds@cox.net
cell 225-802-1038
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The Past is History
The Future is a Mystery
Today is a Gift
That=92s Why They Call it the Present
On Apr 4, 2016, at 9:40 AM, Hugh McKay <hgmckay@bellsouth.net> wrote:
<hgmckay@bellsouth.net>
Dee One,
If you are smelling fuel, my first suggestion is "don't fly the plane
until you find the source of the fuel smell". You have too much at
stake, your life!!
Is your airplane a new allegro that was manufactured by LSA America?
If it is call them and ask for help in finding the source of the fuel
odor. If you bought your plane as a used Allegro, I would still call
them. Another question is your Allegro a S-LSA or and E-LSA? If you have
a S-LSA Allegro you probably have only a limited amount of technical
information, drawings, diagrams, etc.. I fly an E-LSA Allegro 2000 model
which I built from a Kit and know intimately, and can only comment on
that airplane (which is a little different than an Allegro 2007 model).
On the Allegro 2000 the electric fuel pump is just in front of the main
belly tank under the floor board. Not sure where it is on the 2007
Model. Also, if you have wing tanks the plumbing for the fuel lines is
much more complex than with out wing tanks.
My first suggestion is to check the two fuel vent connections on the
main fuel tank under your seat. They should be located just inside the
cockpit on the very left side of the tank under the carpet covering.
My second suggestion is to remove the top engine cowl and carefully
inspect ALL the fuel line connections to the mechanical fuel pump, the
fuel distributer (a five prong device that has five fuel lines connected
to it) located on the top of the engine, and all fuel lines down stream
from the fuel distributer. One of these downstream lines is a vent line
back to the main fuel tank, one goes to the fuel pressure gage on your
instrument panel(if you have a mechanical pressure gage), two go to the
two carbs., and the last is the line coming in from the engine fuel
pump.
My third suggestion is to find out where the electric fuel pump is
located. If it is under the floor board remove the floor board and check
the fuel line connections to the electric fuel pump and the fuel tank,
and the gascolator if it has one, and all other fuel line connections
between the gascolator and the engine fuel pump.
Do these inspections in sequence and hopefully you will find the
problem, but by all means don't fly the plane until you find the source
of fuel odor and correct it.
Hugh G. McKay III, P.E. Fellow, L.M. ASCE
Senior Consultant
Worldwide Engineering Inc.
4090 North NC Hwy. 16
Denver, NC 28037
Ph. 704-661-8271
Fax 704-483-5466
email hgmckay@bellsouth.net
http://www.wwegeo.com
-----Original Message----- From: Dee One
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 4:25 PM
To: allegro-list@matronics.com
Subject: Allegro-List: Fuel Vapors in Cockpit
I had my maiden flight in my 2007 Allegro yesterday. One concern that
I had was the smell of fuel particularly at low airspeed. My 17 gallon
tank is in the fuselage under the seats. Has anyone else experienced
this issue and if so what was your resolution? Also, would anyone happen
to have a fuel system diagram showing feed lines, return lines, and vent
lines . . . This may help to determine where are the vapors are
originating from. Thanks for your response.
--------
The Past is History
The Future is a Mystery
Today is a Gift
That=99s Why They Call it the Present
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=454512#454512
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Subject: | Re: Fuel Vapors in Cockpit |
OK Hugh, Will pursue this avenue. Thanks for your advice.
Dee
> On Apr 4, 2016, at 6:43 PM, Hugh McKay <hgmckay@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> Dee,
>
> If all other fuel connections are good the problem may very well be at
the gascolater, especially if there are fuel stains on the underside of
the airplane=92s belly. If the gascolater has never been opened it may
have a bad gasket to begin with, or if it has been opened to check for
contaminated fuel and bulb re-set; the gasket could be pinched, or the
bulb not seated properly on the gasket before tightening. Another
possibility is that the bulb itself is cracked due to over tightening.
Either of these could cause a small fuel lake at the gascolater which
because if its location would allow fumes to come up inside the cockpit
under the floor board when taxiing (low engine rpms and very low air
speed. speeds. It is going to be hard to determine if the bulb gasket is
damaged because of its location, but you can check the integrity of the
bulb by simply removing it and carefully inspecting it. I would check
the bulb first. If it is not damaged (cracked), then carefully inspect
the gasket seat in the bulb housing using a bright light. Of course
before you do this you will have to drain all the fuel!
>
> Hugh G. McKay III, P.E. Fellow, L.M. ASCE
> Senior Consultant
> Worldwide Engineering Inc.
> 4090 North NC Hwy. 16
> Denver, NC 28037
>
> Ph. 704-661-8271
> Fax 704-483-5466
> email hgmckay@bellsouth.net
> http://www.wwegeo.com
>
> From: Dee LeBlanc <mailto:leblancds@cox.net>
> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 4:51 PM
> To: allegro-list@matronics.com <mailto:allegro-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Allegro-List: Fuel Vapors in Cockpit
>
> Hello Hugh, good to hear back from you. I have already completed all
of the actions that you have suggested below. I have checked all the
connections and they all look good. I have made a fuel system diagram
and it is as you described below. The only anomaly that I found was fuel
stains on the belly between the gascolater (which is in front of the
firewall) and the fuel tank drain valve. The fumes may be coming from
the gascolater and it may have a bad gasket. I will check into that.
Thanks again.
>
> Dee LeBlanc
> Aerospace Engineer, AIAA
> Aero One Ltd
> leblancds@cox.net <mailto:leblancds@cox.net>
> cell 225-802-1038
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> The Past is History
> The Future is a Mystery
> Today is a Gift
> That=92s Why They Call it the Present
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>> On Apr 4, 2016, at 9:40 AM, Hugh McKay <hgmckay@bellsouth.net
<mailto:hgmckay@bellsouth.net>> wrote:
>>
<hgmckay@bellsouth.net <mailto:hgmckay@bellsouth.net>>
>>
>> Dee One,
>>
>> If you are smelling fuel, my first suggestion is "don't fly the plane
until you find the source of the fuel smell". You have too much at
stake, your life!!
>>
>> Is your airplane a new allegro that was manufactured by LSA America?
If it is call them and ask for help in finding the source of the fuel
odor. If you bought your plane as a used Allegro, I would still call
them. Another question is your Allegro a S-LSA or and E-LSA? If you have
a S-LSA Allegro you probably have only a limited amount of technical
information, drawings, diagrams, etc.. I fly an E-LSA Allegro 2000 model
which I built from a Kit and know intimately, and can only comment on
that airplane (which is a little different than an Allegro 2007 model).
On the Allegro 2000 the electric fuel pump is just in front of the main
belly tank under the floor board. Not sure where it is on the 2007
Model. Also, if you have wing tanks the plumbing for the fuel lines is
much more complex than with out wing tanks.
>>
>> My first suggestion is to check the two fuel vent connections on the
main fuel tank under your seat. They should be located just inside the
cockpit on the very left side of the tank under the carpet covering.
>> My second suggestion is to remove the top engine cowl and carefully
inspect ALL the fuel line connections to the mechanical fuel pump, the
fuel distributer (a five prong device that has five fuel lines connected
to it) located on the top of the engine, and all fuel lines down stream
from the fuel distributer. One of these downstream lines is a vent line
back to the main fuel tank, one goes to the fuel pressure gage on your
instrument panel(if you have a mechanical pressure gage), two go to the
two carbs., and the last is the line coming in from the engine fuel
pump.
>>
>> My third suggestion is to find out where the electric fuel pump is
located. If it is under the floor board remove the floor board and check
the fuel line connections to the electric fuel pump and the fuel tank,
and the gascolator if it has one, and all other fuel line connections
between the gascolator and the engine fuel pump.
>>
>> Do these inspections in sequence and hopefully you will find the
problem, but by all means don't fly the plane until you find the source
of fuel odor and correct it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hugh G. McKay III, P.E. Fellow, L.M. ASCE
>> Senior Consultant
>> Worldwide Engineering Inc.
>> 4090 North NC Hwy. 16
>> Denver, NC 28037
>>
>> Ph. 704-661-8271
>> Fax 704-483-5466
>> email hgmckay@bellsouth.net <mailto:hgmckay@bellsouth.net>
>> http://www.wwegeo.com <http://www.wwegeo.com/>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Dee One
>> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 4:25 PM
>> To: allegro-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Allegro-List: Fuel Vapors in Cockpit
>>
>>
>> I had my maiden flight in my 2007 Allegro yesterday. One concern that
I had was the smell of fuel particularly at low airspeed. My 17 gallon
tank is in the fuselage under the seats. Has anyone else experienced
this issue and if so what was your resolution? Also, would anyone happen
to have a fuel system diagram showing feed lines, return lines, and vent
lines . . . This may help to determine where are the vapors are
originating from. Thanks for your response.
>>
>> --------
>> The Past is History
>> The Future is a Mystery
>> Today is a Gift
>> That=99s Why They Call it the Present
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=454512#454512
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