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1. 09:18 AM - Flap Position #2 (Bill Crowley)
2. 10:34 AM - Re: Flap Position #2 (Allegro)
3. 01:30 PM - Re: Flap Position #2 (N456TS)
4. 03:47 PM - Re: Flap Position #2 (hgmckay)
5. 11:00 PM - Official Allegro-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
6. 11:03 PM - Official Allegro-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | Flap Position #2 |
Hello, I purchased my Allegro 2000 to learn to fly in it, and have enjoyed every
minute of it! However, as I live in Colorado I have had very little interaction
with the other Allegro owners. My CFI generally trains in a Piper Cherokee
and has had no previous experience in light sport aircraft.
Everything is coming along fine, but my CFI is a bit hesitant about using flap
position #2. I would appreciate any input from other Allegro pilots about landing
with flaps in position #2. What speeds do you maintain on approach, do you
use position #2 in headwinds and/or crosswinds? What other advice do you have
for mastering this amount of flaps?
Thank you
Bill
N50625
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| Subject: | Re: Flap Position #2 |
I also learned to fly in an allegro 2000. My flight instructor was just the opposite
everything was full flap, stall it in landings.
I found it extremely difficult to land as the plane being so light It had absolutely
no inertia at landing and your control inputs did little.
After hours and hours and hours I finally got to where I could land that way. But
was never comfortable with it. I then started reading on a CT forum about landing
with minimum flaps and about 2500 to 2800 rpm and my landings became much
more consistently Smooth. After you get very comfortable with one flap landings
then I would move on to two flaps that you might use in very short field
and emergency situations. Talk about putting out the barn doors with position
number two.. I still approach at about 60 mph but the angle to maintain the speed
is severe.. it makes the flare and round out extremely difficult. But it certainly
will land in a very short distance. As an emergency procedure you should
become comfortable with doing it but I would not recommend it as routine.
Brian
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> On Aug 1, 2017, at 09:18, Bill Crowley <bill80132@msn.com> wrote:
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> Hello, I purchased my Allegro 2000 to learn to fly in it, and have enjoyed every
minute of it! However, as I live in Colorado I have had very little interaction
with the other Allegro owners. My CFI generally trains in a Piper Cherokee
and has had no previous experience in light sport aircraft.
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> Everything is coming along fine, but my CFI is a bit hesitant about using flap
position #2. I would appreciate any input from other Allegro pilots about landing
with flaps in position #2. What speeds do you maintain on approach, do
you use position #2 in headwinds and/or crosswinds? What other advice do you
have for mastering this amount of flaps?
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> Thank you
> Bill
> N50625
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=471399#471399
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| Subject: | Re: Flap Position #2 |
Hi.
I've attached the Allegro flight training supplement out of my POH. I hope it
can help. It's 26 pages in total. Due to the attachment limitations here, I've
broken it up into 4 PDFs.
You should be able to land well with no flaps, #1 flaps, and #2 flaps before you
meet a DPE. You'll see me landing with full flaps quite a bit. In fact, if
you're not good at landing with full flaps, an engine out situation will be difficult.
So, don't allow the CFI to skimp on teaching every aspect of the Allegro.
It's for your benefit and safety. Ideally, being able to dead stick every
landing (As the situation allows).
Attached is PDF #1 of 4 (Allegro Training Supplement 1to7.pdf)
Attached is PDF #2 of 4 (Allegro Training Supplement 8to14.pdf)
Attached is PDF #3 of 4 (Allegro Training Supplement 15to20.pdf)
Attached is PDF #4 of 4 (Allegro Training Supplement 21to26.pdf)
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N456TS
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Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/allegro_training_supplement_21to26_120.pdf
http://forums.matronics.com//files/allegro_training_supplement_15to20_911.pdf
http://forums.matronics.com//files/allegro_training_supplement_8to14_346.pdf
http://forums.matronics.com//files/allegro_training_supplement_1to7_206.pdf
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| Subject: | Official Allegro-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) |
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Dear Listers,
Please read over the Allegro-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Allegro-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Allegro-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
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Allegro-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Allegro-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Allegro-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Allegro-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Allegro-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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