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Chiar daca momentan nu ai nevoie, nici nu stii cand ai avea nevoie
in viitor.
In plus sunt unii, care au nevoie, dar nu stiu de acest sondaj.
Si de ce sa nu ajutam sa se extinda afacerea aceea in RO?
E clar, ca cei, ce au pornit sondajul, au plus Clujul, alaturi de
alte destinatii cu potential maxim, pe care le iau in calcul in mod
serios.
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Od: Tiberiu Iosub <tiberiu.iosub@emirates.com>
P=C5 edm=C4 t: [Aviatia.ro] vot
Datum: 16.2.2011 08:17:53
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noi putem sa ne mobilizam sa-i taiem pe toti la vot dar cred ca este
fair sa voteze doar cei care cred ca vor utiliza acea ruta altfel
castigam doar un poll
este doar o parere
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(mailto:radu_28@yahoo.com?Subject=%20Re%3A%20vot) radu_28
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Mon Feb 14, 2011 5:09 am (PST)
Desi probabil 99% din cei de pe lista habar n-au ce-i Charleroi (un
fel de
orasul Motru), este al doilea aeroport din Belgia, cu specific
integral low
cost. Intr-o vreme era modelul de low cost airport de prin Europa.
Invit pe
oricine doreste sa voteze pt alegerea unei noi rute de la CRL,
printre optiunile
din lista gasindu-se Cluj. Votul e in josul paginii.
Cu surprindere si placere constat ca daca romanii se mobilizeaza ii
taie si pe
polonezi si pe tot restul. Succes la vot:
http://www.charleroi-airport.com/en/brussels-south-charleroi-airport
/index.html
(http://www.charleroi-airport.com/en/brussels-south-charleroi-airport/index
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Mon Feb 14, 2011 1:03 pm (PST)
Domnul care semneaza documentul este: "Nicholas Frank Taubman, a
United States
businessman, politician, and ambassador. He served as the United
States
Ambassador to Romania2005=C2 08"
08BUCHAREST608, ROMANIA: BOEING SETS UP FOR A 1 BILLION DOLLAR DEAL
Reference ID Created Released Classification Origin
08BUCHAREST608 2008-07-31 12:12 2011-02-09 21:09 SECRET//NOFORN
Embassy Bucharest
VZCZCXRO0346
OO RUEHFL RUEHKW RUEHLA RUEHROV
DE RUEHBM #0608 2131203
ZNY SSSSS ZZH
O 311203Z JUL 08
FM AMEMBASSY BUCHAREST
TO RUCPDOC/DEPT OF COMMERCE WASHINGTON DC IMMEDIATE
RUEHC/SECSTATE WASHDC IMMEDIATE 8548
INFO RUEHZL/EUROPEAN POLITICAL COLLECTIVE IMMEDIATE
S E C R E T BUCHAREST 000608
SIPDIS
STATE PLEASE PASS TO EUR/CE ASCHEIBE
COMMERCE PLEASE PASS TO ITA KNAJDI
E.O. 12958: DECL: 07/30/2018
TAGS: EAIR ECON PGOV RO
SUBJECT: ROMANIA: BOEING SETS UP FOR A 1 BILLION DOLLAR DEAL
REF: BUCHAREST 362
Classified By: DCM Jeri Guthrie-Corn for reasons 1.4 (b) and (d).
=C2=B61. (C/NF) Summary. The Regional Boeing sales representative
advised the Ambassador of plans for a multi-plane deal to
sell new Boeing 737s to TAROM, the Romanian state owned
airline. From Boeing's perspective the 737s fit naturally
into TAROM's existing fleet structure and will support
TAROM's future expansion plans. Operationally and
strategically, Boeing believes that 737s are a better fit for
TAROM than the competition. The deal could result in selling
up to ten aircraft plus additional options to TAROM and
Boeing is valuing the potential deal at close to USD 1
Billion. However, Boeing is worried about reports that EADS
does not plan to compete fairly and that they may attempt to
improperly influence key government officials to favor Airbus.
=C2=B62. (S/NF) In a meeting on July 25th with the Ambassador, the
regional Boeing representative, Monte Frazier, shared an
allegation that EADS may have offered 3 percent of the sales
price of any eventual Airbus purchase as bribes to officials
in the Romanian Government. Frazier has been a frequent
visitor to Bucharest over the last several months, and
recently helped Romanian low-cost carrier Blue Air complete
the purchase of several next generation 737 aircraft. He has
built good contacts with the senior management of TAROM and
believes that these managers are favorably inclined toward
purchasing 737s from Boeing. However, these same TAROM
managers preferred to wait until they were able to meet
privately with senior Boeing executives outside of Romania at
the Farnborough Air Show to report allegations that officials
in the Ministry of Transportation and the Prime Minister's
office have been offered bribes to force TAROM to buy new
aircraft from EADS.
=C2=B63. (SBU) The business rationale for TAROM to choose Boeing
is considerable. reftel reported on TAROM's hodgepodge fleet
mix, which includes B-737s, A-310s, A-318s, plus smaller
regional turboprops. TAROM has subsequently signed a lease
deal for four new 737 aircraft to fill immediate fleet needs.
This will make 737s the predominant aircraft type in the
fleet when the new leased planes enter service. According to
Boeing, the range, size, and fuel efficiency of 737s make
them the best possible aircraft for a regional carrier like
TAROM. As an added benefit, the parts and flight crew
certifications are standardized across the 737 line, making
an exclusively 737 fleet cheaper and more flexible from an
operations standpoint. TAROM is already able to offer a full
suite of 737 repair services at their certified maintenance
facility, which provides additional cost justifications for
sticking with the 737 airframe.
=C2=B64. (C/NF) Comment. Post has offered our support to Boeing
and agreed to advocate for Boeing with the GOR, when it
becomes appropriate, to ensure that Boeing's eventual bid is
given all due consideration. Setting aside allegations of
bribery, the political pressure on Romania to pick a European
airframe is considerable. The fact that 4 leased Boeing
planes have been added into the fleet, may actually lend
weight to the argument that it is now Airbus's turn to garner
a sale, despite the fact that a mixed fleet raises costs and
creates operational difficulties for TAROM. Boeing seems
prepared to make the argument that 737s make the most
business sense for TAROM, and they are planning on an all-out
effort to ensure their eventual success in concluding a sale.
Post plans to assist Boeing to ensure that the eventual
competition is fair and transparent. The fact that TAROM is
wholly state-owned unfortunately injects politics into what
should be a straightforward business decision. End Comment.
TAUBMAN
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Chiar daca momentan nu ai nevoie, nici nu stii cand ai avea nevoie in
viitor.
In plus sunt unii, care au nevoie, dar nu stiu de acest sondaj.
Si de ce sa nu ajutam sa se extinda afacerea aceea in RO?
E clar, ca cei, ce au pornit sondajul, au plus Clujul, alaturi de alte
destinatii cu potential maxim, pe care le iau in calcul in mod serios.
------------ P=C5=AFvodn=C3=AD zpr=C3=A1va ------------
Od: Tiberiu Iosub <tiberiu.iosub@emirates.com>
P=C5=99edm=C4=9Bt: [Aviatia.ro] vot
Datum: 16.2.2011 08:17:53
---------------------------------------------
noi putem sa ne mobilizam sa-i taiem pe toti la vot dar cred ca este
fair sa voteze doar cei care cred ca vor utiliza acea ruta altfel
castigam doar un poll
este doar o parere
tiberiu
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Posted by: "Radu Cioponea" radu_28@yahoo.com radu_28
Mon Feb 14, 2011 5:09 am (PST)
Desi probabil 99% din cei de pe lista habar n-au ce-i Charleroi (un
fel de
orasul Motru), este al doilea aeroport din Belgia, cu specific
integral low
cost. Intr-o vreme era modelul de low cost airport de prin Europa.
Invit pe
oricine doreste sa voteze pt alegerea unei noi rute de la CRL, printre
optiunile
din lista gasindu-se Cluj. Votul e in josul paginii.
Cu surprindere si placere constat ca daca romanii se mobilizeaza ii
taie si pe
polonezi si pe tot restul. Succes la vot:
http://www.charleroi-airport.com/en/brussels-south-charleroi-airport/inde
x.html
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Amabasada SUA la Bucuresti: "Ministry of Transportation and the Prim
Posted by: "Aviatia .ro" aviatia_ro@yahoo.com aviatia_ro
Mon Feb 14, 2011 1:03 pm (PST)
Domnul care semneaza documentul este: "Nicholas Frank Taubman, a
United States
businessman, politician, and ambassador. He served as the United
States
Ambassador to Romania2005=C2'08"
08BUCHAREST608, ROMANIA: BOEING SETS UP FOR A 1 BILLION DOLLAR DEAL
Reference ID Created Released Classification Origin
08BUCHAREST608 2008-07-31 12:12 2011-02-09 21:09 SECRET//NOFORN
Embassy Bucharest
VZCZCXRO0346
OO RUEHFL RUEHKW RUEHLA RUEHROV
DE RUEHBM #0608 2131203
ZNY SSSSS ZZH
O 311203Z JUL 08
FM AMEMBASSY BUCHAREST
TO RUCPDOC/DEPT OF COMMERCE WASHINGTON DC IMMEDIATE
RUEHC/SECSTATE WASHDC IMMEDIATE 8548
INFO RUEHZL/EUROPEAN POLITICAL COLLECTIVE IMMEDIATE
S E C R E T BUCHAREST 000608
SIPDIS
STATE PLEASE PASS TO EUR/CE ASCHEIBE
COMMERCE PLEASE PASS TO ITA KNAJDI
E.O. 12958: DECL: 07/30/2018
TAGS: EAIR ECON PGOV RO
SUBJECT: ROMANIA: BOEING SETS UP FOR A 1 BILLION DOLLAR DEAL
REF: BUCHAREST 362
Classified By: DCM Jeri Guthrie-Corn for reasons 1.4 (b) and (d).
=C2=B61. (C/NF) Summary. The Regional Boeing sales representative
advised the Ambassador of plans for a multi-plane deal to
sell new Boeing 737s to TAROM, the Romanian state owned
airline. From Boeing's perspective the 737s fit naturally
into TAROM's existing fleet structure and will support
TAROM's future expansion plans. Operationally and
strategically, Boeing believes that 737s are a better fit for
TAROM than the competition. The deal could result in selling
up to ten aircraft plus additional options to TAROM and
Boeing is valuing the potential deal at close to USD 1
Billion. However, Boeing is worried about reports that EADS
does not plan to compete fairly and that they may attempt to
improperly influence key government officials to favor Airbus.
=C2=B62. (S/NF) In a meeting on July 25th with the Ambassador, the
regional Boeing representative, Monte Frazier, shared an
allegation that EADS may have offered 3 percent of the sales
price of any eventual Airbus purchase as bribes to officials
in the Romanian Government. Frazier has been a frequent
visitor to Bucharest over the last several months, and
recently helped Romanian low-cost carrier Blue Air complete
the purchase of several next generation 737 aircraft. He has
built good contacts with the senior management of TAROM and
believes that these managers are favorably inclined toward
purchasing 737s from Boeing. However, these same TAROM
managers preferred to wait until they were able to meet
privately with senior Boeing executives outside of Romania at
the Farnborough Air Show to report allegations that officials
in the Ministry of Transportation and the Prime Minister's
office have been offered bribes to force TAROM to buy new
aircraft from EADS.
=C2=B63. (SBU) The business rationale for TAROM to choose Boeing
is considerable. reftel reported on TAROM's hodgepodge fleet
mix, which includes B-737s, A-310s, A-318s, plus smaller
regional turboprops. TAROM has subsequently signed a lease
deal for four new 737 aircraft to fill immediate fleet needs.
This will make 737s the predominant aircraft type in the
fleet when the new leased planes enter service. According to
Boeing, the range, size, and fuel efficiency of 737s make
them the best possible aircraft for a regional carrier like
TAROM. As an added benefit, the parts and flight crew
certifications are standardized across the 737 line, making
an exclusively 737 fleet cheaper and more flexible from an
operations standpoint. TAROM is already able to offer a full
suite of 737 repair services at their certified maintenance
facility, which provides additional cost justifications for
sticking with the 737 airframe.
=C2=B64. (C/NF) Comment. Post has offered our support to Boeing
and agreed to advocate for Boeing with the GOR, when it
becomes appropriate, to ensure that Boeing's eventual bid is
given all due consideration. Setting aside allegations of
bribery, the political pressure on Romania to pick a European
airframe is considerable. The fact that 4 leased Boeing
planes have been added into the fleet, may actually lend
weight to the argument that it is now Airbus's turn to garner
a sale, despite the fact that a mixed fleet raises costs and
creates operational difficulties for TAROM. Boeing seems
prepared to make the argument that 737s make the most
business sense for TAROM, and they are planning on an all-out
effort to ensure their eventual success in concluding a sale.
Post plans to assist Boeing to ensure that the eventual
competition is fair and transparent. The fact that TAROM is
wholly state-owned unfortunately injects politics into what
should be a straightforward business decision. End Comment.
TAUBMAN
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| Subject: | =?us-ascii?Q?Re=3A =5BAviatia=2Ero=5D vot? |
Doar ca noi am scazut ceva, iar polonezii au crescut mult.
Cand am votat eu (imediat ce dl. Cioponea a postat indemnul) pt Cluj
era vreo 53 sau 56 procente, dar pt polonezi vreo 18 procente....
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Od: Daniel Adam <danutz_adam@yahoo.com>
P=C5 edm=C4 t: Re: [Aviatia.ro] vot
Datum: 16.2.2011 22:36:26
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cam asa statea situatia cand am votat eu:
Which routes are you interested in?
votes: 25158
0.1%
0.1 % Nantes (France) 35 votes
0.4%
0.4 % Lisbonne (Portugal) 98 votes
0.1%
0.1 % B=C3=A9ziers (France) 13 votes
46.6%
46.6 % Cluj (Romania) 11721 votes
45.7%
45.7 % Rzeszow (Poland) 11495 votes
0.4%
0.4 % Berlin (Germany) 98 votes
6.6%
6.6 % Pula (Croatia) 1656 votes
0.2%
0.2 % Almeria (Spain) 42 votes
Se pare ca ne-am mobilizat mai bine ca polonezii :)
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