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1. 09:49 AM - [Aviatia.ro] =?us-ascii?Q?Cand aeroportul pe care trebuie sa aterizezi este lovit de cutremur=2E=2E=2E? (releu3@seznam.cz)
2. 09:49 AM - =?us-ascii?Q?Re=3A =5BAviatia=2Ero=5D Re=3A traian vuia? (releu3@seznam.cz)
3. 02:06 PM - =?us-ascii?Q?Re=3A =5BAviatia=2Ero=5D Cand aeroportul pe care trebuie sa aterizezi este lovit de cutremur=2E=2E=2E? (releu3@seznam.cz)
4. 04:35 PM - =?us-ascii?Q?Re=3A =5BAviatia=2Ero=5D Traian Vuia 105? (releu3@seznam.cz)
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Subject: | [Aviatia.ro] =?us-ascii?Q?Cand aeroportul pe care trebuie |
sa aterizezi este lovit de cutremur=2E=2E=2E?
Asa am primit, asa transmit.... Nu-l impuscati pe pianist!
Got this from a
Delta pilot.
I'm currently still in one piece, writing from my room in the
Narita crew hotel.
It's 8am. This is my inaugural trans-pacific trip as a brand
new, recently checked out, international 767 Captain and it has been
interesting, to say the least, so far. I've crossed the Atlantic
three times so far so the ocean crossing procedures were familiar.
By the way, stunning scenery flying over the Aleutian Islands.
Everything was going fine until 100 miles out from Tokyo and in the
descent for arrival. The first indication of any trouble was that
Japan air traffic control started putting everyone into holding
patterns. At first we thought it was usual congestion on arrival.
Then we got a company data link message advising about the
earthquake, followed by another stating Narita airport was
temporarily closed for inspection and expected to open shortly (the
company is always so positive).
From our perspective things were obviously looking a little
different. The Japanese controller's anxiety level seemed quite high
and he said expect "indefinite" holding time. No one would commit to
a time frame on that so I got my copilot and relief pilot busy
looking at divert stations and our fuel situation, which, after an
ocean crossing is typically low.
It wasn't long, maybe ten minutes, before the first pilots
started requesting diversions to other airports. Air Canada,
American, United,etc. all reporting minimal fuel situations. I still
had enough fuel for 1.5 to 2.0 hours of holding. Needless to say,
the diverts started complicating the situation.
Japan air traffic control then announced Narita was closed
indefinitely due to damage. Planes immediately started requesting
arrivals into Hanaeda, near Tokyo, a half dozen JAL and western
planes got clearance in that direction but then ATC announced
Haenada had just closed. Uh oh! Now instead of justholding, we all
had to start looking at more distant alternatives like Osaka, or
Nagoya.
One bad thing about a large airliner is that you can't just be-
pop into any little airport. We generally need lots of runway. With
more planes piling in from both east and west, all needing a place
to land and several now fuel critical ATC was getting over-whelmed.
In the scramble, and without waiting for my fuel to get critical, I
got my flight a clearance to head for Nagoya, fuel situation still
okay. So far so good. A few minutes into heading that way, I was
"ordered" by ATC to reverse course. Nagoya was saturated with
traffic and unable to handle more planes (read- airport full). Ditto
for Osaka.
With that statement, my situation went instantly from fuel okay,
to fuel minimal considering we might have to divert a much farther
distance.Multiply my situation by a dozen other aircraft all in the
same boat, all making demands requests and threats to ATC for
clearances somewhere. Air Canada and then someone else went to
"emergency" fuel situation. Planes started to heading for air force
bases. The nearest to Tokyo was Yokoda AFB. I threw my hat in the
ring for that initially. The answer - Yokoda closed! no more space.
By now it was a three ring circus in the cockpit, my copilot on
the radios, me flying and making decisions and the relief copilot
buried in the air charts trying to figure out where to go that was
within range while data link messages were flying back and forth
between us and company dispatch in Atlanta. I picked Misawa AFB at
the north end of Honshu island. We could get there with minimal fuel
remaining. ATC was happy to get rid of us so we cleared
out of the maelstrom of the Tokyo region. We heard ATC try to send
planes toward Sendai, a small regional airport on the coast which
was later the one I think that got flooded by a tsunami.
Atlanta dispatch then sent us a message asking if we could
continue to Chitose airport on the Island of Hokkaido, north of
Honshu. Other Delta planes were heading that way. More scrambling in
the cockpit - check
weather, check charts,
check fuel, okay. We could still make it and not be going into
a fuel critical
situation ... if we had no other fuel delays. As we approached
Misawa we got
clearance to continue to Chitose. Critical decision thought
process. Let's see -
trying to help company - plane overflies perfectly good divert
airport for one
farther away...wonder how that will look in the safety report,
if anything goes
wrong.
Suddenly ATC comes up and gives us a vector to a fix well short
of Chitose and
tells us to standby for holding instructions. Nightmare
realized. Situation
rapidly deteriorating. After initially holding near Tokyo,
starting a divert to
Nagoya, reversing course back to Tokyo then to re-diverting
north toward Misawa,
all that happy fuel reserve that I had was vaporizing fast. My
subsequent
conversation, paraphrased of course...., went something like
this:
"Sapparo Control - Delta XX requesting immediate clearance
direct to Chitose,
minimum fuel, unable hold."
"Negative Ghost-Rider, the Pattern is full" <<< top gun quote
<<<
"Sapparo Control - make that - Delta XX declaring emergency,
low fuel,
proceeding direct Chitose"
"Roger Delta XX, understood, you are cleared direct to Chitose,
contact Chitose
approach....etc...."
Enough was enough, I had decided to preempt actually running
critically low on
fuel while in another indefinite holding pattern, especially
after bypassing
Misawa, and played my last ace...declaring an emergency. The
problem with that
is now I have a bit of company paperwork to do but what the
heck.
As it was - landed Chitose, safe, with at least 30 minutes of
fuel remaining
before reaching a "true" fuel emergency situation. That's
always a good feeling,
being safe. They taxied us off to some remote parking area
where we shut down
and watched a half dozen or more other airplanes come streaming
in. In the end,
Delta had two 747s, my 767 and another 767 and a 777 all on the
ramp at Chitose.
We saw to American airlines planes, a United and two Air Canada
as well. Not to
mention several extra Al Nippon and Japan Air Lines planes.
Post-script - 9 hours later, Japan air lines finally got around
to getting a
boarding ladder to the plane where we were able to get off and
clear customs. -
that however, is another interesting story.
By the way - while writing this - I have felt four additional
tremors that shook
the hotel slightly - all in 45 minutes.
Cheers,
J.D.
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Subject: | =?us-ascii?Q?Re=3A =5BAviatia=2Ero=5D Re=3A traian vuia? |
Aveti perfecta dreptate, dl. prof. Petrescu.
------------ P=C5=AFvodn=C3=AD zpr=C3=A1va ------------
Od: Mihai Petrescu <mihaiatanasie@yahoo.com>
P=C5 edm=C4 t: Re: [Aviatia.ro] Re: traian vuia
Datum: 18.3.2011 16:07:55
---------------------------------------------
Eu nu am sustinut niciodata ca Vuia ar fi fost primul om care a
zburat un aparat cu motor. Totusi, din lecturile mele, "avion",
termenul inventat de Clement Ader, se refera la un aparat care
decoleaza fara ajutor din exterior, zboara, revine la sol si acest
ciclu poate fi reluat de nenumarate ori.
Or, "Flyer One" nu indeplinea conditiile astea, deci nu era avion.
Plus ca, din cate inteleg eu, nu de forta motorului erau limitati
fratii Wright, ci de imposibilitatea de a decola fara mijloace
auxiliare. Cu alte cuvinte, marele merit al lui Vuia a fost trenul
de aterizare, nu puterea motorului (care, se pare, e "vinovat"
pentru performanta avionului "Vuia 1")
Mihai
--- On Fri, 3/18/11, viorel.nichols <viorel.nichols@yahoo.com>
wrote:
"
From: viorel.nichols <viorel.nichols@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Aviatia.ro] Re: traian vuia
To: aviatia@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, March 18, 2011, 6:26 AM
Primul zbor a lui Ttrain Vuia a fost primul zbor de acest gen. Dar
nu primul zbor din lume. Traian Vuia a avut viziunea sa predica ca
viitorul nu apartine masinilor de zbor mai usuare decit aerul dar
celor mai grele decit aerul ... Jobul lui a fost sa inventeze un
motor cu putere suficienta pentru a realiza o decolare de 'self
propultion'. Wright Brothers in America au luat notite cu toate ca
au fost primii care au manevrat un avion in zbor dar nu au decolat
pe principiul de 'sef propultion.'
VN...
--- In aviatia@yahoogroups.com
(/mc/compose?to=aviatia%40yahoogroups.com), Mihai Petrescu <
mihaiatanasie@...> wrote:
>
> Pana sa ne sune reminderul grupului, amintesc eu ca maine este 18
martie si aniversam 105 ani de la primul zbor al lui Traian Vuia, la
Montesson.
> Liceul Economic din Rosiori pare sa fie, din cate vad eu (sper sa
ma insel!), singura institutie care marcheaza evenimentul. La ora 11
va avea loc un simpozion aniversar, al carui oaspete de onoare este
domnul Dan Antoniu. Personalitatea lui Vuia va fi prezentata si prin
referatele elevelor noastre Cristina Suta si Violeta Priscoveanu.
Specialista in vizantologie si vlaicologie Madalina a fost fortata
(de capacitatea ei intelectuala si dragostea de invatatura) sa
reprezinte scoala la Olimpiada de tehnologii si nu va fi de fata.
> Tineti-ne pumnii!
>
> Mihai
>
"
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Subject: | =?us-ascii?Q?Re=3A =5BAviatia=2Ero=5D Cand aeroportul pe |
care trebuie sa aterizezi este lovit de cutremur=2E=2E=2E?
Nu stiu ce inseamna keep us posted
------------ P=C5=AFvodn=C3=AD zpr=C3=A1va ------------
Od: Pascariu Gica <gica_pascariu@yahoo.com>
P=C5 edm=C4 t: Re: [Aviatia.ro] Cand aeroportul pe care trebuie sa
aterizezi este lovit de cutremur...
Datum: 18.3.2011 18:15:10
---------------------------------------------
Super tare si foarte interesant.
Keep us posted cu urmarea ,daca o trimite si pe aceea.
Ma refer la scara.
Gica
--- On Fri, 3/18/11, releu3@seznam.cz <releu3@seznam.cz> wrote:
"
From: releu3@seznam.cz <releu3@seznam.cz>
Subject: [Aviatia.ro] Cand aeroportul pe care trebuie sa aterizezi
este lovit de cutremur...
To: aviatia@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, March 18, 2011, 6:01 PM
Asa am primit, asa transmit.... Nu-l impuscati pe pianist!
Got this from a
Delta pilot.
I'm currently still in one piece, writing from my room in the
Narita crew hotel.
It's 8am. This is my inaugural trans-pacific trip as a brand
new, recently checked out, international 767 Captain and it has been
interesting, to say the least, so far. I've crossed the Atlantic
three times so far so the ocean crossing procedures were familiar.
By the way, stunning scenery flying over the Aleutian Islands.
Everything was going fine until 100 miles out from Tokyo and in the
descent for arrival. The first indication of any trouble was that
Japan air traffic control started putting everyone into holding
patterns. At first we thought it was usual congestion on arrival.
Then we got a company data link message advising about the
earthquake, followed by another stating Narita airport was
temporarily closed for inspection and expected to open shortly (the
company is always so positive).
From our perspective things were obviously looking a little
different. The Japanese controller's anxiety level seemed quite high
and he said expect "indefinite" holding time. No one would commit to
a time frame on that so I got my copilot and relief pilot busy
looking at divert stations and our fuel situation, which, after an
ocean crossing is typically low.
It wasn't long, maybe ten minutes, before the first pilots
started requesting diversions to other airports. Air Canada,
American, United,etc. all reporting minimal fuel situations. I still
had enough fuel for 1.5 to 2.0 hours of holding. Needless to say,
the diverts started complicating the situation.
Japan air traffic control then announced Narita was closed
indefinitely due to damage. Planes immediately started requesting
arrivals into Hanaeda, near Tokyo, a half dozen JAL and western
planes got clearance in that direction but then ATC announced
Haenada had just closed. Uh oh! Now instead of justholding, we all
had to start looking at more distant alternatives like Osaka, or
Nagoya.
One bad thing about a large airliner is that you can't just be-
pop into any little airport. We generally need lots of runway. With
more planes piling in from both east and west, all needing a place
to land and several now fuel critical ATC was getting over-whelmed.
In the scramble, and without waiting for my fuel to get critical, I
got my flight a clearance to head for Nagoya, fuel situation still
okay. So far so good. A few minutes into heading that way, I was
"ordered" by ATC to reverse course. Nagoya was saturated with
traffic and unable to handle more planes (read- airport full). Ditto
for Osaka.
With that statement, my situation went instantly from fuel okay,
to fuel minimal considering we might have to divert a much farther
distance.Multiply my situation by a dozen other aircraft all in the
same boat, all making demands requests and threats to ATC for
clearances somewhere. Air Canada and then someone else went to
"emergency" fuel situation. Planes started to heading for air force
bases. The nearest to Tokyo was Yokoda AFB. I threw my hat in the
ring for that initially. The answer - Yokoda closed! no more space.
By now it was a three ring circus in the cockpit, my copilot on
the radios, me flying and making decisions and the relief copilot
buried in the air charts trying to figure out where to go that was
within range while data link messages were flying back and forth
between us and company dispatch in Atlanta. I picked Misawa AFB at
the north end of Honshu island. We could get there with minimal fuel
remaining. ATC was happy to get rid of us so we cleared
out of the maelstrom of the Tokyo region. We heard ATC try to send
planes toward Sendai, a small regional airport on the coast which
was later the one I think that got flooded by a tsunami.
Atlanta dispatch then sent us a message asking if we could
continue to Chitose airport on the Island of Hokkaido, north of
Honshu. Other Delta planes were heading that way. More scrambling in
the cockpit - check
weather, check charts,
check fuel, okay. We could still make it and not be going into
a fuel critical
situation ... if we had no other fuel delays. As we approached
Misawa we got
clearance to continue to Chitose. Critical decision thought
process. Let's see -
trying to help company - plane overflies perfectly good divert
airport for one
farther away...wonder how that will look in the safety report,
if anything goes
wrong.
Suddenly ATC comes up and gives us a vector to a fix well short
of Chitose and
tells us to standby for holding instructions. Nightmare
realized. Situation
rapidly deteriorating. After initially holding near Tokyo,
starting a divert to
Nagoya, reversing course back to Tokyo then to re-diverting
north toward Misawa,
all that happy fuel reserve that I had was vaporizing fast. My
subsequent
conversation, paraphrased of course...., went something like
this:
"Sapparo Control - Delta XX requesting immediate clearance
direct to Chitose,
minimum fuel, unable hold."
"Negative Ghost-Rider, the Pattern is full" <<< top gun quote
<<<
"Sapparo Control - make that - Delta XX declaring emergency,
low fuel,
proceeding direct Chitose"
"Roger Delta XX, understood, you are cleared direct to Chitose,
contact Chitose
approach....etc...."
Enough was enough, I had decided to preempt actually running
critically low on
fuel while in another indefinite holding pattern, especially
after bypassing
Misawa, and played my last ace...declaring an emergency. The
problem with that
is now I have a bit of company paperwork to do but what the
heck.
As it was - landed Chitose, safe, with at least 30 minutes of
fuel remaining
before reaching a "true" fuel emergency situation. That's
always a good feeling,
being safe. They taxied us off to some remote parking area
where we shut down
and watched a half dozen or more other airplanes come streaming
in. In the end,
Delta had two 747s, my 767 and another 767 and a 777 all on the
ramp at Chitose.
We saw to American airlines planes, a United and two Air Canada
as well. Not to
mention several extra Al Nippon and Japan Air Lines planes.
Post-script - 9 hours later, Japan air lines finally got around
to getting a
boarding ladder to the plane where we were able to get off and
clear customs. -
that however, is another interesting story.
By the way - while writing this - I have felt four additional
tremors that shook
the hotel slightly - all in 45 minutes.
Cheers,
J.D.
"
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Subject: | =?us-ascii?Q?Re=3A =5BAviatia=2Ero=5D Traian Vuia 105? |
Frumoase straduinte, felicitari! Cum as putea citi acele referat
despre activitatea politica a lui Vuia?
------------ P=C5=AFvodn=C3=AD zpr=C3=A1va ------------
Od: Mihai Petrescu <mihaiatanasie@yahoo.com>
P=C5 edm=C4 t: [Aviatia.ro] Traian Vuia 105
Datum: 18.3.2011 21:59:12
---------------------------------------------
Am postat pe forumul Hangar Talk al aviatia.ro un fotoreportaj de la
activitatea noastra de astazi
http://aviatia.freeforums.org/traian-vuia-105-t292.html
Mihai
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