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Hi, =0A=0Acould you please unsubscribe me from all matronics/aviation list
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iatia.ro] =?us-ascii?Q?calare pe planoare in zbor?- (releu3@seznam.cz)
=0A- - 2. 12:14 PM - Re: [Aviatia.ro] tarife aterizare- (Endre Lucian
MOLNAR)=0A- - 3. 11:02 PM - Official Aviation-List FAQ (Frequently Ask
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5:38:04 AM PST US=0AFrom: releu3@seznam.cz=0ASubject: Aviation-List: [Aviat
ia.ro] =?us-ascii?Q?calare pe planoare in zbor?=0A=0AInteresante poze...
=0Ahttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1265891/Hold-think-youre-=0Agoin
g-Skydiver-grabs-gliders-tail-fin-fly-2-100-metres-100mph.html=0A=0A=0A____
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_______=0A=0A=0ATime: 12:14:59 PM PST US=0AFrom: "Endre Lucian MOLNAR&
quot; <office@aeroclubuldrobeta.ro>=0ASubject: Aviation-List: RE: [Av
iatia.ro] tarife aterizare=0A=0AAviatia e scumpa si asa trebuie sa ramana.
=0A=0A=0A....parerea mea ;) Endy=0A=0A=0AP.S. Aviatia este ca o femeie frum
oasa care cheltuie mult...=0A=0A=0AEndre Lucian MOLNAR=0A=0AIon Luca Caragi
ale 39, cod 220019=0A=0ADrobeta Turnu Severin, Mehedinti=0A=0AROMANIA=0A=0A
E-mail:- <mailto:office@aeroclubuldrobeta.ro> office@aeroclubuldrob
eta.ro=0A=0A0040721323749=0A=0A0040741559759=0A=0AFax 0040252206042=0A=0AWe
b:- <http://www.aeroclubuldrobeta.ro/> www.aeroclubuldrobeta.ro=0A
=0A=0ADrobeta Aerodrome (picture preview at=0A<http://www.panoramio.com/
photo/57310160>=0Ahttp://www.panoramio.com/photo/57310160 )=0A=0APista :
740x68 m - inierbata=0A=0AOrientarea pistei : 10-28=0A=0ACoordonate geogra
fice: N44 34 52.6 E22 51 15.7=0A=0AElevatie : 358 m=0A=0AFrecventa radio :
123.450 MHz=0A=0A=0AAerodromes and airports in Romania:=0A<http://maps.g
oogle.com/maps/ms?msid=215004093629214258415.000492a72a8dcae3c=0A003f&
;msa=0&ll=44.629573,22.859802&spn=1.282245,2.90863>=0Ahttp
://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=215004093629214258415.000492a72a8dcae3c0
=0A03f&msa=0&ll=44.629573,22.859802&spn=1.282245,2.90863
=0A=0A=0AAirshows I organized yet=0A=0A=0A<http://romanian-spotters.foru
mer.ro/t5417-drobeta-fly-in-2011>=0Ahttp://romanian-spotters.forumer.ro/
t5417-drobeta-fly-in-2011=0A=0A=0A<http://romanian-spotters.forumer.ro/t
4482-a-fost-drobeta-fly-in-2010-si-cup=0Aa-dunarii-competitii-cu-aeronave-u
lm>=0Ahttp://romanian-spotters.forumer.ro/t4482-a-fost-drobeta-fly-in-20
10-si-cupa=0A-dunarii-competitii-cu-aeronave-ulm=0A=0A=0A<http://romania
n-spotters.forumer.ro/t1992-meeting-aviatic-la-drobeta-turnu-=0Aseverin-pe-
28-iunie-2009>=0Ahttp://romanian-spotters.forumer.ro/t1992-meeting-aviat
ic-la-drobeta-turnu-s=0Aeverin-pe-28-iunie-2009=0A=0A=0AFrom: aviatia@yahoo
groups.com [mailto:aviatia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of=0AGica Pascariu=0A
Sent: 1 septembrie 2011 15:37=0ASubject: Re: [Aviatia.ro] tarife aterizare
=0A=0A=0ANumai ce am aterizat la bacau dupa un Zbor la Sibiu LRSB,- unde
am platit=0Acat la Tuzla, interesant nu?=0A=0A=0ASunt convins ca cel care a
facut factura la Tuzla a facut o greseala.=0A=0A=0ARegards=0A=0A=0AGica Pa
scariu=0A=0AFlight Design Romania=0A=0A=0AOn 01.09.2011, at 15:14, Luciano
Mihaita <luciano.mihaita@gmail.com> wrote:=0A=0A=0APerfect de acord c
u ce ai spus Matteo... atat timp cat sunt singurii din=0Azona cu o infrastr
uctura isi pot permite sa stabileasca ce pret vor ei...=0Adaca ai observat
omul i-a si spus "nu-ti convine pretul nostru? du-te si=0Aaterizeaza l
a kogalniceanu"... scurt si clar, nu? :)))=0ASi atat timp cat nu o sa
apara un concurent in zona este "ghischeftul"=0Alor... ia sa apar
a un teren concurent... se mai duce cineva la Tuzla? poate=0Adam o idee unu
i "intreprinzator" :)=0A=0A=0AOn 31.08.2011 23:46, Daniel MATEI w
rote: =0A=0A=0AAaaaa, la Tuzla e parfum! Ieftin ca braga! Ia sa ai curiozit
atea sa=0Aaterizezi pe Tulcea! Acolo chiar te lasa aia in c.g. Am zb acolo
in=0Aprimavara, ca pasager intr-un avion de 4 locuri, si am ramas cu un dez
gust=0Ateribil. La ULM au aceleasi tarife...=0A=0A=0ASi mie mi se par al na
ibii de trase de par tarifele de operare in Ro. Dar,=0Aacuma pe bune, cand
ai pe mana o mina de aur precum un aerodrom la mare=0A(unicul!) sau in buza
Deltei (tot unic), n-ai exploata-o cat mai zdravan?=0ACine vrea plateste,
cine nu, nu zb acolo.=0A=0A=0AChiar daca imi vine sa injur cand ma gandesc
cat m-ar costa sa zb acolo, eu,=0Ain locul lor, as face la fel. LA FEL! E u
n business, nu o opera=0Abinefacere.... Stiti vorba aia ca nu e nebun cine
cere...=0A=0A=0ASi, da, normal ca vor sa se imbogateasca (cred ca deja sunt
si nu de curand=0A:) ). Cine nu vrea? E vreunul caruia nu-i plac banii sau
lucrurile minunate=0Acare se pot face cu ei si nu fara eii? De exemplu avi
atia/zborul? =0A=0A=0ANici vorba sa iau apararea cuiva sau sa combat pe alt
cineva ci doar arat ca=0Aasta e lumea in care traim si ca e cazul sa fim re
alisti. Sa nu ne facem=0Avise... Aviatia e un lux. Nici mie nu-mi place tre
aba asta cu tarifele=0Acrunte, mi se pare de-a dreptul exorbitant, dar, in
ograda lui, fiecare face=0Ace vrea si, in plus, nu suntem obligati sa merge
m acolo. Moca sau almost=0Amoca nu exista decat in socialism si, pana la ur
ma, s-a ajuns la concluzia=0Aca, de fapt, era tot o tzeapa si ala :)=0A=0A
=0AIn addendum, cred ca trebuie spus si aceea ca monopolul naste preturi=0A
monstruoase si politici de piata discretionare. Daca ar fi aparut un=0Aaero
drom, sa zicem, la Mangalia, care ar fi practicat preturi la 1/2 si=0Aincep
ea concurenta reala, sa vezi cum se ieftinea si Tuzla. Dar, in=0Aconditiile
in care ei sunt unicul frunizor de astfel de servicii, pe tot=0Alitoralul,
are cineva impresia ca se sinchisesc de sporovaiala noastra=0Amarunta de a
ici? Are cineva impresia ca ulm-ul lui Gica sau Gica insusi sau=0Amotodelta
lui Matteo sau Matteo insusi, conteaza vreunul in politica asta?=0ANegativ
, Sir!=0A=0A=0ASi, daca apare aerdromul concurent, ala eftin pt tot poporu&
#39;, te poti trezi=0Aca Tuzla tripleaza tarifele si se declara aerodrom VI
P si, pe fondul unor=0Aaere maneloide si/sau al unor necesitati reale de ex
clusivism, discretie si=0Alux, barosanii plus guzganii vor zbura la Tuzla i
ar noi, plebea, la=0Aconcurentza sau asa-zisa concurenta. Pana la urma, ace
lasi patron, poate sa=0Atina Tuzla pt segmentul premium si sa mai faca o pi
sta de 500x30 cu o baraca=0Ajumulita si 2 butoaie de benzina cu pompa manua
la, pentru plebe. Dar nu cred=0Aca acest efort renteaza pt ca sunt destul d
e putini ulemistii care zboara in=0Amod constant pe litoral. Cam cat de mul
t contam/atarnam noi in ponderea=0Aveniturilor din taxe de operare pe orice
aerodrom/aeroport adevarat? Cam=0Adeloc, adica (virgula) chiar deloc. Deci
cine sa se chinuie cu noi si pt ce?=0A=0A=0AMai sunt si alte ratiuni: conc
urenta lesnicioasa, pt noi, in domeniul unor=0Aoperatiuni de lucru aerian n
u e bine vazuta si sunt destul de multi=0Aoperatori "grei" care f
ac ce si cat pot ca sa ne tina departe (inclusiv=0Ageografic) de lumea si c
lientela lor. Pe buna si corecta dreptate!=0A=0A=0APe Tuzla vezi, in mod cu
rent, elicoptere de la Tiriac Air si diversi=0Asuper-mari si super-tari nab
abi si aia nu se sinchisesc de maruntisul cu=0Acare noi ne facem un amarat
de plin la zmeele noastre de 3 surcele. Are=0Acineva impresia cu un ULM, ch
iar de costa 100k Euro, reprezinta ceva in=0Aaviatia de varf? Pt elitele ba
nului gros chiar nu conteaza sumele de genul=0Aasta. Cine e nebun sa lase t
arifele mai jos in conditiile in care, fratilor,=0ALUMEA PLATESTE?!=0A=0A
=0AE trist pt noi, astia mici, dar perfect functional si justificat pt=0Aci
rcumstantele si obiectivele respectivului business. Daca stam pe campuri,
=0Ae ieftin. Daca vrem printre baietii aia jmekeri, costa, tati :) =0A=0A
=0AAtata vreme cat nu exista concurenta, nu visati la povesti cu zane bune
pt=0Aca nu exista decat- politica de pozitie exclusiva (nici macar domina
nta nu=0Ase poate numi) si e normal sa fie asa. La fel as face, nu glumesc!
=0A=0A=0ABafta,=0A=0AMatteo=0A=0A=0A- _____- =0A=0A=0AFrom: Luciano Mih
aita- <mailto:luciano.mihaita@gmail.com>=0A<luciano.mihaita@gmai
l.com>=0ASent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 4:25 PM=0ASubject: Re: [Aviati
a.ro] tarife aterizare=0A=0A=0ANu, pe bune acum, atatia bani doar pentru o
aterizare? da' ce-i face frate,=0Amananca iarba de pe pista? bauturi in
cluse? ce consuma sau ce servicii=0Aprimeste ca sa justifice aceasta suma?
=0AMulte aerodromuri private din tara nu percep nici o taxa, umul e bineven
it=0Aca un oaspete... si chiar si acele aerodromuri au cheltuieli, paznici,
=0Aintretinere etc...=0A=0A=0AOn 31.08.2011 12:39, mugurel toma wrote: =0A
=0A=0AAs intreba urmatoarele:=0A=0A1 Daca ati consultat AIP RO anterior ref
ore operare si tarife,=0A=0A2 Daca operarea a fost in afara programului de
clarat si la sfarsit de=0Asaptamana cu stationare atunci cred ca suma este
explicabila, depinde de nr=0Ade ore de stationare.=0A=0A3.Nu ati specificat
daca ati avut pasager sau nu.=0A=0ADin cate imi aduc eu aminte, taxa de op
erare este de 4 euro/tona dar nu mai=0Aputin de 8 si stationarea este de-
0.15 euro/tona/ora cu primele trei ore=0Agratuite.Deci in conditii normale
aveti de platit 9 euro /operare(diferenta=0Ade 1 euro reprezinta serv de d
ispecerat resp informarea meteo inchidere fpl=0Aetc) adica in jur de 40 RON
intr-o zi normala pana la ora 16.00=0A=0AOricat am vrea sa fim de prieteno
si nu putem sa tinem aerodromul deschis=0Agratis, dupa cum se stie este o s
ocietate comerciala .=0A=0A4.Va rog deci sa detaliati pentru ce vi s-au cer
ut acesti bani,dupa cum am=0Avazut primele reactii sunt ca noi suntem pusi
pe jecmanit lumea, ori=0Arealitatea este exact opusa, operatorul Regional A
ir Serives subventioneaza=0Aaerodromul.=0A=0A5.De asemeni imi aduc aminte c
a ati operat in numeroase alte ocazii la noi=0Apresupun ca tarifele de oper
are va erau cunoscute oricum.De la autorizare=0Ainscrierea in AIP Ro si pan
a azi Regional Air Services nu a operat nici o=0Amodificare de tarif fiind
cred singurul aerodrom care nu a majorat taxele de=0Aoperare in ultimii cin
ci sase ani.=0A=0ACu respect=0A=0AMugurel TOMA=0A=0A=0AFrom: Pascariu Gica
- <mailto:gica_pascariu@yahoo.com>=0A<gica_pascariu@yahoo.com>
;=0A<aviatia@yahoogroups.com>=0ASent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 9:38
AM=0ASubject: [Aviatia.ro] tarife aterizare=0A=0A=0ABuna ziua=0A=0A=0ASi p
entru ca toata lumea sau ma rog aproape toata lumea zboara,amhotarat sa=0Af
ac o iesire la mare aa ca m am dus- la Tuzla.=0A=0Aam aterizat cu ULM ul
meu care nu cantareste mai mult de 470 kg,cand vine=0Aomu direct la mine si
mi baga sub nas o hartie cu plata,cat credeti? 220 sau=0A240 ron,extraordi
nar,deci atentie celor car vre o data vor sa mearga cu ulm=0Aul la Tuzla.
=0A=0Anu vreau sa intru mai mult in subiect insa in costul =0A=0A=0A_______
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