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1. 08:33 AM - Recommendations for a Zenith 801 (Garrou, Douglas)
2. 09:05 AM - Re: Recommendations for a Zenith 801 (kempthornes)
3. 09:39 AM - Re: Recommendations for a Zenith 801 (Joe Cunningham)
4. 09:58 AM - Re: Recommendations for a Zenith 801 (kempthornes)
5. 11:16 AM - Re: Recommendations for a Zenith 801 (Joe Cunningham)
6. 01:22 PM - Re: Recommendations for a Zenith 801 (Cy Galley)
7. 02:02 PM - Re: Recommendations for a Zenith 801 (Joe Cunningham)
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| Subject: | Recommendations for a Zenith 801 |
--> Avionics-List message posted by: "Garrou, Douglas" <dgarrou@hunton.com>
Hi all -
We're getting ready to start the fuselage of our Zenith 801, having
completed the tail & wings. So of course I'm starting to ponder antennas
and thus avionics.... We're aiming for a basic day/night VFR setup. The
airplane will largely be flown day VFR on reasonably short hops, regularly
using flight following, and with a visit to a class C every now and then.
My current general thinking is:
1. Basic six instruments, w/ basic vac-driven AI and DG, electric turn
coordinator
2. Basic "steam" engine gauges (oil temp, oil pressure, maybe CHT and/or
EGT)
3. Handheld GPS (the garmin 196 looks good)
4. One comm
5. Maybe a jack in the panel to hook a handheld comm up to an external
antenna
6. Transponder
5. Four-place intercom
We're going with a plain-Jane O-360, or maybe one of the new variants for
the homebuilt market (SP-360, etc.)
Weight and panel space are not *major* considerations for this installation,
as the panel is relatively wide and large, and the aircraft has a large
useful load.
I'd like to "buy smart" among used avionics where possible. I figure we
don't need the latest whiz-bang stuff; mainly I'm looking for reliable gear
that I can easily find in good condition on the used market. Think Ford
F-150 rather than Ferrari.
I am, however, pondering the purchase of a new UPS SL40 comm, since having
only one comm means you probably want a good comm -- and the ability to
listen to the standby frequency seems like it would give us a lot of the
functionality that would be provided by a second comm. I've also pondered
whether it would make sense to get a used GPS Comm.
I would appreciate any and all input regarding the general plan, stuff I've
omitted, things that I'm crazy for wanting, specific gear recommendations,
sources for the gear, etc. etc.
AtDhVaAnNkCsE (<--- I stole this from another matronics lister....)
Doug G.
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| Subject: | Re: Recommendations for a Zenith 801 |
--> Avionics-List message posted by: kempthornes <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
At 11:30 AM 4/30/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>--> Avionics-List message posted by: "Garrou, Douglas" <dgarrou@hunton.com>
>
>My current general thinking is:
>
>1. Basic six instruments, w/ basic vac-driven AI and DG, electric turn
>coordinator
vac stuff not needed in VFR!
>2. Basic "steam" engine gauges (oil temp, oil pressure, maybe CHT and/or
>EGT)
EGT - has value for fuel injected engines only, huh?
>3. Handheld GPS (the garmin 196 looks good)
>4. One comm
>5. Maybe a jack in the panel to hook a handheld comm up to an external
>antenna
backup a modern com for VFR ? not needed.
>6. Transponder
>5. Four-place intercom
the 801 is 4 place?
do not archive
K. H. (Hal) Kempthorne
RV6-a N7HK flying!
PRB (El Paso de Robles, CA)
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| Subject: | Recommendations for a Zenith 801 |
--> Avionics-List message posted by: "Joe Cunningham" <Joe@Eversharptool.com>
We replaced a King KX170B last year in our Tomahawk. This is a
non-trainer, just our fair weather runabout, and about as practical as
owning a Miata in Minneapolis. We are based at a Class D airport, KRVS,
within a Class C environment,TUL, and occasionally venture into Class B
at DFW. The airplane had a nearly new King transponder when we got it
last year.
The King failed the day we bought the plane and had a similar history
with previous owner. Previous repair costs to the King were more than
the price of a new radio. We yanked the King out as well as the VOR
indicator. We researched the market and replaced it with a UPS SL40
comm and utilized the SL40's on-board intercom. There was a good review
of it on the Avionics West website. After flying it we found Tom's
AvionicsWest.com review to be on the mark.
We then bought a Garmin GPS 176, $450.00 at West Marine. The 176 is the
marine equivalent to the 196. (Same case and screen as 196 only no AV
database or AV instrument depiction. The 196 wasn't on the market then
and didn't know it was coming out).
We picked the GPS 176 because the case size and screen size were just
about right. West Marine let us try the color one, 176C, but it washed
out in the sunlight.
We built a little box and recess mounted it into the panel.
No, it doesn't look built in but it doesn't stick out and get stuff hung
up on it. I mounted the gps antenna through the glareshield and ran a
coax to the GPS. At the same time installed panel headphone jacks and
yoke PTTs. I had the harness made by an avionics shop.
Did all the install myself with proper legal supervision. The setup has
worked great for almost 150 hours. No problems with either. Never have
lost a GPS signal. I experimented with an aftermarket powered GPS
antenna but didn't see much advantage in getting a few feet better
accuracy when Im supposed to be looking out the window in the first
place.
The only time I went "gulp!" was when a controller said, "Proceed direct
to the VOR." Since this particular GPS doesn't know a VOR from a Buoy,
I made sure to add the pertinent VORs into the GPS waypoint database.
All I can say is that for our flying profile, the setup we have is
almost perfect bang-for-the buck, and we didn't spend a lot of extra $$
on overkill that we don't use.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-avionics-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-avionics-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Garrou,
Douglas
Subject: Avionics-List: Recommendations for a Zenith 801
--> Avionics-List message posted by: "Garrou, Douglas"
<dgarrou@hunton.com>
Hi all -
We're getting ready to start the fuselage of our Zenith 801, having
completed the tail & wings. So of course I'm starting to ponder
antennas
and thus avionics.... We're aiming for a basic day/night VFR setup.
The
airplane will largely be flown day VFR on reasonably short hops,
regularly
using flight following, and with a visit to a class C every now and
then.
My current general thinking is:
1. Basic six instruments, w/ basic vac-driven AI and DG, electric turn
coordinator
2. Basic "steam" engine gauges (oil temp, oil pressure, maybe CHT
and/or
EGT)
3. Handheld GPS (the garmin 196 looks good)
4. One comm
5. Maybe a jack in the panel to hook a handheld comm up to an external
antenna
6. Transponder
5. Four-place intercom
We're going with a plain-Jane O-360, or maybe one of the new variants
for
the homebuilt market (SP-360, etc.)
Weight and panel space are not *major* considerations for this
installation,
as the panel is relatively wide and large, and the aircraft has a large
useful load.
I'd like to "buy smart" among used avionics where possible. I figure we
don't need the latest whiz-bang stuff; mainly I'm looking for reliable
gear
that I can easily find in good condition on the used market. Think Ford
F-150 rather than Ferrari.
I am, however, pondering the purchase of a new UPS SL40 comm, since
having
only one comm means you probably want a good comm -- and the ability to
listen to the standby frequency seems like it would give us a lot of the
functionality that would be provided by a second comm. I've also
pondered
whether it would make sense to get a used GPS Comm.
I would appreciate any and all input regarding the general plan, stuff
I've
omitted, things that I'm crazy for wanting, specific gear
recommendations,
sources for the gear, etc. etc.
AtDhVaAnNkCsE (<--- I stole this from another matronics lister....)
Doug G.
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| Subject: | Recommendations for a Zenith 801 |
--> Avionics-List message posted by: kempthornes <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
At 11:37 AM 4/30/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>--> Avionics-List message posted by: "Joe Cunningham" <Joe@Eversharptool.com>
>
>The only time I went "gulp!" was when a controller said, "Proceed direct
>to the VOR." Since this particular GPS doesn't know a VOR from a Buoy,
I'd say, "Looking for the VOR antenna, no receiver on board." - If you were
VFR that is.
K. H. (Hal) Kempthorne
RV6-a N7HK flying!
PRB (El Paso de Robles, CA)
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| Subject: | Recommendations for a Zenith 801 |
--> Avionics-List message posted by: "Joe Cunningham" <Joe@Eversharptool.com>
Yup.... on the other hand early one sat morning we were flying near an
airport that has a 5 mile radius on weekends for aerobatics.
Controller was advising about it and I told him to keep an eye on us
that would skirt it based on the 5 mi warning area that I had set in the
GPS. We just followed the line around the airport and he said it looked
fine.
Little did he know that our GPS belonged in a bass boat!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-avionics-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-avionics-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
kempthornes
Subject: RE: Avionics-List: Recommendations for a Zenith 801
--> Avionics-List message posted by: kempthornes
<kempthornes@earthlink.net>
At 11:37 AM 4/30/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>--> Avionics-List message posted by: "Joe Cunningham"
<Joe@Eversharptool.com>
>
>The only time I went "gulp!" was when a controller said, "Proceed
direct
>to the VOR." Since this particular GPS doesn't know a VOR from a Buoy,
I'd say, "Looking for the VOR antenna, no receiver on board." - If you
were
VFR that is.
K. H. (Hal) Kempthorne
RV6-a N7HK flying!
PRB (El Paso de Robles, CA)
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| Subject: | Re: Recommendations for a Zenith 801 |
--> Avionics-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
Shame on you Joe! Depriving all those bass, their GPS!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Cunningham" <Joe@eversharptool.com>
Subject: RE: Avionics-List: Recommendations for a Zenith 801
> --> Avionics-List message posted by: "Joe Cunningham"
<Joe@Eversharptool.com>
>
> Yup.... on the other hand early one sat morning we were flying near an
> airport that has a 5 mile radius on weekends for aerobatics.
> Controller was advising about it and I told him to keep an eye on us
> that would skirt it based on the 5 mi warning area that I had set in the
> GPS. We just followed the line around the airport and he said it looked
> fine.
> Little did he know that our GPS belonged in a bass boat!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-avionics-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-avionics-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> kempthornes
> To: avionics-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Avionics-List: Recommendations for a Zenith 801
>
> --> Avionics-List message posted by: kempthornes
> <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
>
> At 11:37 AM 4/30/2003 -0600, you wrote:
> >--> Avionics-List message posted by: "Joe Cunningham"
> <Joe@Eversharptool.com>
> >
> >The only time I went "gulp!" was when a controller said, "Proceed
> direct
> >to the VOR." Since this particular GPS doesn't know a VOR from a Buoy,
>
> I'd say, "Looking for the VOR antenna, no receiver on board." - If you
> were
> VFR that is.
>
> K. H. (Hal) Kempthorne
> RV6-a N7HK flying!
> PRB (El Paso de Robles, CA)
>
>
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| Subject: | Recommendations for a Zenith 801 |
--> Avionics-List message posted by: "Joe Cunningham" <Joe@Eversharptool.com>
Well Lowrance Electronics IS located here in Tulsa, I couldn't find a
TSO'd Fish-Lo-K-Tor for a Piper. I think they are available TSO'd for a
Republic Seabee and a Lake Amphib. Grumman Goose? They are workin on
it.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-avionics-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-avionics-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cy Galley
Subject: Re: Avionics-List: Recommendations for a Zenith 801
--> Avionics-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
Shame on you Joe! Depriving all those bass, their GPS!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Cunningham" <Joe@eversharptool.com>
Subject: RE: Avionics-List: Recommendations for a Zenith 801
> --> Avionics-List message posted by: "Joe Cunningham"
<Joe@Eversharptool.com>
>
> Yup.... on the other hand early one sat morning we were flying near an
> airport that has a 5 mile radius on weekends for aerobatics.
> Controller was advising about it and I told him to keep an eye on us
> that would skirt it based on the 5 mi warning area that I had set in
the
> GPS. We just followed the line around the airport and he said it
looked
> fine.
> Little did he know that our GPS belonged in a bass boat!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-avionics-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-avionics-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> kempthornes
> To: avionics-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Avionics-List: Recommendations for a Zenith 801
>
> --> Avionics-List message posted by: kempthornes
> <kempthornes@earthlink.net>
>
> At 11:37 AM 4/30/2003 -0600, you wrote:
> >--> Avionics-List message posted by: "Joe Cunningham"
> <Joe@Eversharptool.com>
> >
> >The only time I went "gulp!" was when a controller said, "Proceed
> direct
> >to the VOR." Since this particular GPS doesn't know a VOR from a
Buoy,
>
> I'd say, "Looking for the VOR antenna, no receiver on board." - If you
> were
> VFR that is.
>
> K. H. (Hal) Kempthorne
> RV6-a N7HK flying!
> PRB (El Paso de Robles, CA)
>
>
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