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     1. 12:18 AM - 2005 List of Contributors - Thank You... (Matt Dralle)
     2. 06:52 PM - Re: IFR GPS INSTALLATION ()
 
 
 


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    Time: 12:18:36 AM PST US
    From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
    Subject: 2005 List of Contributors - Thank You...
    --> Avionics-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com> Dear Listers, Let me say *thank you* to everyone that made a Contribution in support of the Lists this year! It was really nice to hear all the great comments people had regarding what the Lists mean to them and how much they look forward to reading the new posts each day. As I have said many times before, running these Lists and creating the many new features is truly a labor of love. This is why your comments of support and appreciation have particular meaning for me. Your generosity during this time of List support only underscores the great sentiments people have made regarding the Lists. If you haven't yet made a Contribution in support of this year's Fund Raiser please feel free to do so. There are still a number of the various Free Gifts to be had as well. Once again, the URL for the Contribution web site is: http://www.matronics.com/contribution I would like to thank Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore ( http://www.buildersbooks.com ), Paul Besing of Aeroware Enterprises ( http://www.kitlog.com ), and Jon Croke of Homebuilt HELP ( http://www.homebuilthelp.com ) for their extremely generous support during this year's Fund Raiser through the contribution of merchandise. These are three great guys that support this industry and I encourage each and every Lister to have a look at their respective web sites. Thank you Andy, Paul, and Jon!! Your support is very much appreciated! And finally, below you will find the 2005 List of Contributors current as of 12/4/05! Have a look at this list of names as these are the people that make all of these List services possible! I can't thank each of you enough for your support and great feedback during this year's Fund Raiser! THANK YOU! I will be shipping out all of the gifts in the next few weeks and hope to have everything out by the end of the month. In most cases, gifts will be shipped via US Postal Service. Once again, thank you for making this year's List Fund Raiser successful! Best regards, Matt Dralle Email List Administrator ------------------ 2005 List of Contributors --------------------- Ackerman, John P Ackland, Andrew Ackworth, Robert Adamson, Arden Akerstrom, Ed Alberti, David Alexander, George Allee, Joseph Allen, Mark L Alley, Brian Allington, Wally Allsop, Bryan Alons, Kevin Al, Rupp Altenhein, Gary Anderson, Edward Anderson, John Anderson, Ken Andrews, Ronald Anliker, Mark Anthony, Bruce Anton, Bill Applefeld, Gerald Archer, Matt Ashcraft, Keith Atkinson, Paul Austin, Peter Babb, Tony Bahrns, Stan Baker, Mike Baker, Owen Baker, Roger Baker, Victor Baleshta, Doug Ballenger, James Barba, Alberto Barnes, Thomas Barrie, Darwin Barson, Ron Barter, Tom Basiliere, Rick Bass, George BatchelderJr, Ellery Bates Jr, Marcus Bean, Jim Bean, Robert Bearden, Jeff Beauchamp, Norm Bellach, Robin Bell, Bruce B Bell, Jack Belvin, Thomas Benjamin, Hal Benson, Lonn Benson, Lonnie Berges, Duncan Berg, Wayne Bermudez, John Berner, Walter Bernier, Jim Berry, Bert Berry, 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    Time: 06:52:55 PM PST US
    From: <bakerocb@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: IFR GPS INSTALLATION
    INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.5000 1.0000 0.0000 --> Avionics-List message posted by: <bakerocb@cox.net> Responding to an email from Daniel Snow which is copied below. 11/05/2005 Hello Daniel, No need to apologize -- I welcome your questions and like your cautious approach. Before I address your questions individually I invite your attention to the article "Homebuilt In the Clouds" by Dick Koehler starting on page 62 of the September 2005 issue of Sport Aviation magazine. He gives some good insight into the fundamental problem faced by the FAA in this regard. Simply stated in my words it is that: 1) The FAA recognizes that some amateur built experimental aircraft have achieved the sophistication and utility level that permitting them to fly IFR is warranted. 2) There are no published certification standards for amateur built experimental aircraft. 3) Any attempt to create such standards, educate all of the builders and FAA and DAR inspectors about those standards, and then create the administrative structure to enforce those standards out in the field would be an overwhelming task. In addition it would defeat much of what the amateur built experimental aircraft program is all about by creating a stifling bureaucratic blanket on the innovations that come from that community. So the approach chosen by the FAA was to continue the administration of a basic day VFR amateur built experimental aircraft program and create an avenue that would allow the builder to pursue IFR capability on his own if he adhered to certain requirements for his aircraft. That avenue is found in the following two sentences in the aircraft's Operating Limitations: "After completion of phase I flight testing, unless appropriately equipped for night and/or instrument flight in accordance with 91.205, this aircraft is to be operated under VFR, day only." "Aircraft instruments and equipment installed and used under 91.205 must be inspected and maintained in accordance with the requirements of part 91. Any maintenance or inspection of this equipment must be recorded in the aircraft maintenance records." In essence the FAA or DAR inspector grants a Special Airworthiness Certificate (which includes the Operating Limitations) for the aircraft to fly day VFR. The aircraft must remain day VFR during its Phase I flight testing. Upon completion of that flight testing if the builder decides that he wants to fly IFR he must follow the requirements of his Operating Limitations for equipping his aircraft to do so. No FAA administrative structure exists to subsequently approve or inspect how he equips his amateur built experimental aircraft for IFR operations. <<You wrote: "Are you saying that I, as the builder, can install an IFR GPS in my experimental without a shop or FAA involvement, and legally use it to fly IFR?" Yes. <<You wrote: "Do you know if very many experimental builders do this?">> Yes, many do, but consider this: Putting together an IFR capable panel is not a trivial activity. (You may have heard the saying "Any one can build an airplane, it takes a real man to build the instrument panel for it." So the reality is that the majority of IFR capable panels are probably not built by individual builders, but instead are built by companies specializing in building such panels. Just look at the ads by panel building companies in the magazines that cater to our community. And the FAA specifically permits this in paragraph 6. b. of AC 20-139. On the other end of the spectrum there are builders out there that are so deeply into the electron flow within their airplane that the airframe is just an adjunct device to haul around this magnificent avionics suite that they labored over for xxx months or years. You wrote: "I would read the FAR's before installing, and I would use best practices and FAA guidance to install the unit.>> Right on, and don't forget the AIM (Aeronautical Information Manual). It has extensive information now on both GPS hardware, software (data base currency and use) and flight operations. You wrote: "I'm also assuming there is no continuing certification requirements for an IFR GPS?>> I am not sure that I understand what your question here. There is no periodic testing of the IFR GPS hardware per FAA directives like there is for the transponder, encoder, and altimeter. There are navigation database currency requirements that have been chewed over in some detail in recent postings. <<You wrote: "Lastly, how confident are you of this interpretation? I don't mean to question you, but just to establish the certainty of this approach.>> Hey, I am no authority -- Just a fellow builder who tries to understand the bureaucratic bramble bushes and pass on what I can glean. I don't mind being questioned at all -- many times I have learned something important when somebody doubted me and I had to dig deeper. You could query Joe Norris at EAA. jnorris@eaa.org. I'll send him a copy of this email to make it easier for you. Be sure to let us all know if he has some wrinkle that is not apparent to us. Thanks. OC PS: You may find out that the initial equippage of your aircraft for GPS IFR flight is not the biggest hurdle. Becoming IFR proficient (not just current), maintaining that currency / proficiency (got safety pilots handy?), getting good in flight weather information (radar, XM satellite weather?), and paying for the up keep of a legal IFR GPS navigation data base, are all significant things to consider. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Snow, Daniel A." <Daniel.Snow@wancdf.com> Subject: IFR GPS INSTALLATION I'm sorry to belabor this point, but I just want to make sure of what I think you said, since you were answering a different but similar question. I would like to have an IFR GPS, but I don't want to pay the price to have a shop install/certify the unit. Are you saying that I, as the builder, can install an IFR GPS in my experimental without a shop or FAA involvement, and legally use it to fly IFR? Do you know if very many experimental builders do this? I would read the FAR's before installing, and I would use best practices and FAA guidance to install the unit. I'm also assuming there is no continuing certification requirements for an IFR GPS? Lastly, how confident are you of this interpretation? I don't mean to question you, but just to establish the certainty of this approach. Sorry again for prolonging the topic. Thanks. BELOW IS A PREVIOUS POSTING WHICH TRIGGERED DANIEL'S QUERY ABOVE 12/2/2005 Hello John, Short answer first. No, your friend does not have to file any additional IFR approval paperwork with the FAA for the installation of a Garmin 430 GPS in his Glasair amateur built experimental airplane. To explain: 1) Your friend did not need and did not have any specific ".....orginal signoff for IFR in his operating limitations." He did not need, and should not have attempted to obtain, any such subsequent FAA approved sign off. 2) His Operating Limitations, which were part of his original special airworthiness certificate issued by either an FAA or DAR inspector, should contain words like the following from the then current version of FAA Order 8130.2_: "After completion of phase I flight testing, unless appropriately equipped for night and/or instrument flight in accordance with 91.205, this aircraft is to be operated under VFR, day only." "Aircraft instruments and equipment installed and used under 91.205 must be inspected and maintained in accordance with the requirements of part 91. Any maintenance or inspection of this equipment must be recorded in the aircraft maintenance records." 3) Those sentences are the grand sum total of IFR approval for his aircraft equipment. There are some other instructions in his Operating Limitations that would apply when operating the aircraft IFR such as: "In addition, this aircraft must be operated in accordance with applicable air traffic and general operating rules of part 91and all additional limitations herein prescribed under the provisions of 91.319(e)." "When filing instrument flight rules (IFR), the experimental nature of this aircraft must be listed in the remarks section of the flight plan." As long as his aircraft is in compliance with his Operating Limitations and the instructions in the current version of the AIM he is legal to fly IFR with no further aircraft approval or paperwork from the FAA. 4) I might point out that included in the AIM for IFR GPS operations are the requirements that the pilot comply with instructions in his AFM and AFM supplement and pilot guides. Since your friend is in control of what is in, or not in, his planes AFM and supplement that should present no problem. Since the pilot guide for his Garmin GPS is published by Garmin, complying with that guide should be no problem. 5) Common sense would require that the pilot follow some installation guidance such as that provided in AC 20-138A and a perform a healthy dose of VFR / VMC flight testing before attempting any IFR operations. Please let me know if I can be of further help. OC




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