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1. 11:04 AM - IFR GPS requirements ()
2. 11:59 AM - Re: IFR GPS requirements (John Grosse)
3. 12:18 PM - Re: IFR GPS requirements (6440 Auto Parts)
4. 12:20 PM - Re: IFR GPS requirements (FLAGSTONE)
5. 01:57 PM - Re: IFR GPS requirements (Peck Gaillard R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training)
6. 02:09 PM - Re: IFR GPS requirements (William Gill)
7. 02:10 PM - Re: IFR GPS requirements (NYTerminat@aol.com)
8. 02:42 PM - Re: IFR GPS requirements ()
9. 05:08 PM - Re: IFR GPS requirements (Jay Rowe)
10. 11:41 PM - Re: VHF Transmitting Noise (jetboy)
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| Subject: | IFR GPS requirements |
1/17/2008
Hello Rick, Thanks for your input and interest in this subject. You wrote:
1) "It depends on what the inspector wrote into you ops limits."
The FAA Inspector or DAR is directed by FAA Order 8130.2_ (edition F, with
change 3 incorporated is the current version) what to write into the
Operating Limitations when issuing the Special Airworthiness Certificate for
an amateur built experimental aircraft. His prerogative to ad lib in this
specific area (IFR GPS requirements) is extremely limited to non existent.
2) "If he referenced 91.205 as a requirement for IFR flight, then you must
get the
system tested by an FAA certified shop." and "If not you can proceed as you
wish."
These two statements are misleading / incorrect.
2A) First off, There is no "if" about it. He most certainly will reference
91.205 as a requirement for IFR flight. He will do this by incorporating
this statement into the Operating Limitations: "After completion of phase 1
testing, unless appropriately equipped for night and/or instrument flight in
accordance with 91.205, this aircraft is to be operated VFR day only." See
paragraph 1 above.
2B) Second, Other than the normal regulatory requirements for periodic
inspections of the altitude encoder, the altimeter, and the transponder
(these inspection requirements also apply to type certificated aircraft)
there is no requirement to "get the system tested by an FAA certified shop."
2C) Third, It is not clear what you mean when you write the word "system".
I have prepared a table that serves as a quick reference on this subject:
MINIMUM INSTRUMENT AND EQUIPMENT REQUIREMENTS FOR POWERED AMATEUR BUILT
EXPERIMENTAL AIRCRAFT.
I will email a copy of this table to any reader requesting it.
'OC' Says: "The best investment we can make is the effort to gather and
understand knowledge."
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Time: 06:50:54 AM PST US
From: "Richard Girard" <jindoguy@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: IFR GPS requirements
Peter, et al, It depends on what the inspector wrote into you ops limits. If
he referenced 91.205 as a requirement for IFR flight, then you must get the
system tested by an FAA certified shop. If not you can proceed as you wish.
In the Ops Limits I received yesterday, Item 11:
"After completion of phase 1 testing, unless appropriately equipped for
night and/or instrument flight in accordance with 91.205, this aircraft is
to be operated VFR day only."
Rick Girard
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| Subject: | Re: IFR GPS requirements |
I'd like a copy please.
John Grosse
>
>
> I have prepared a table that serves as a quick reference on this subject:
>
> MINIMUM INSTRUMENT AND EQUIPMENT REQUIREMENTS FOR POWERED AMATEUR
> BUILT EXPERIMENTAL AIRCRAFT.
>
> I will email a copy of this table to any reader requesting it.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: IFR GPS requirements |
OC, I did a quick Google and came up with
http://www.rainierultralightengines.com/forms/Minimum_Inst_Requirements.pdf
By Owen C. Baker, that,s the one, aint it ? Might save you a lot of time
sending out individually.
Randy
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Grosse" <grosseair@comcast.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 1:55 PM
Subject: Re: Avionics-List: IFR GPS requirements
>
> I'd like a copy please.
>
> John Grosse
>
>>
>>
>> I have prepared a table that serves as a quick reference on this subject:
>>
>> MINIMUM INSTRUMENT AND EQUIPMENT REQUIREMENTS FOR POWERED AMATEUR BUILT
>> EXPERIMENTAL AIRCRAFT.
>>
>> I will email a copy of this table to any reader requesting it.
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> 269.19.5/1228 - Release Date: 1/16/2008 9:01 AM
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: IFR GPS requirements |
Ditto
Mark
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Grosse" <grosseair@comcast.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 11:55 AM
Subject: Re: Avionics-List: IFR GPS requirements
>
> I'd like a copy please.
>
> John Grosse
>
> >
> >
> > I have prepared a table that serves as a quick reference on this
subject:
> >
> > MINIMUM INSTRUMENT AND EQUIPMENT REQUIREMENTS FOR POWERED AMATEUR
> > BUILT EXPERIMENTAL AIRCRAFT.
> >
> > I will email a copy of this table to any reader requesting it.
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | IFR GPS requirements |
I have prepared a table that serves as a quick reference on this
subject:
> >
> > MINIMUM INSTRUMENT AND EQUIPMENT REQUIREMENTS FOR POWERED AMATEUR
> > BUILT EXPERIMENTAL AIRCRAFT.
> >
> > I will email a copy of this table to any reader requesting it.
Me too!
Gaillard.peck.ctr@nellis.af.mil
Thanks,
Gail Peck
RV-8 (tail almost complete)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-avionics-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-avionics-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of FLAGSTONE
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 12:19 AM
Subject: Re: Avionics-List: IFR GPS requirements
Ditto
Mark
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Grosse" <grosseair@comcast.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 11:55 AM
Subject: Re: Avionics-List: IFR GPS requirements
<grosseair@comcast.net>
>
> I'd like a copy please.
>
> John Grosse
>
> >
> >
> > I have prepared a table that serves as a quick reference on this
subject:
> >
> > MINIMUM INSTRUMENT AND EQUIPMENT REQUIREMENTS FOR POWERED AMATEUR
> > BUILT EXPERIMENTAL AIRCRAFT.
> >
> > I will email a copy of this table to any reader requesting it.
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | IFR GPS requirements |
I'd like a copy please. Thanks.
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-avionics-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-avionics-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peck
Gaillard R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 3:55 PM
Subject: RE: Avionics-List: IFR GPS requirements
Training" <gaillard.peck.ctr@nellis.af.mil>
I have prepared a table that serves as a quick reference on this
subject:
> >
> > MINIMUM INSTRUMENT AND EQUIPMENT REQUIREMENTS FOR POWERED AMATEUR
> > BUILT EXPERIMENTAL AIRCRAFT.
> >
> > I will email a copy of this table to any reader requesting it.
Me too!
Gaillard.peck.ctr@nellis.af.mil
Thanks,
Gail Peck
RV-8 (tail almost complete)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-avionics-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-avionics-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of FLAGSTONE
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 12:19 AM
Subject: Re: Avionics-List: IFR GPS requirements
Ditto
Mark
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Grosse" <grosseair@comcast.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 11:55 AM
Subject: Re: Avionics-List: IFR GPS requirements
<grosseair@comcast.net>
>
> I'd like a copy please.
>
> John Grosse
>
> >
> >
> > I have prepared a table that serves as a quick reference on this
subject:
> >
> > MINIMUM INSTRUMENT AND EQUIPMENT REQUIREMENTS FOR POWERED AMATEUR
> > BUILT EXPERIMENTAL AIRCRAFT.
> >
> > I will email a copy of this table to any reader requesting it.
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: IFR GPS requirements |
I would like one too please.
Bob Spudis
In a message dated 1/17/2008 3:02:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
grosseair@comcast.net writes:
--> Avionics-List message posted by: John Grosse <grosseair@comcast.net>
I'd like a copy please.
John Grosse
>
>
> I have prepared a table that serves as a quick reference on this subject:
>
> MINIMUM INSTRUMENT AND EQUIPMENT REQUIREMENTS FOR POWERED AMATEUR
> BUILT EXPERIMENTAL AIRCRAFT.
>
> I will email a copy of this table to any reader requesting it.
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| Subject: | IFR GPS requirements |
Gail,
It's probably easier to post it, but yes, I'd like a copy.
Thanks
Do Not Archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-avionics-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-avionics-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peck
Gaillard R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 4:55 PM
Subject: RE: Avionics-List: IFR GPS requirements
--> Training" <gaillard.peck.ctr@nellis.af.mil>
I have prepared a table that serves as a quick reference on this
subject:
> >
> > MINIMUM INSTRUMENT AND EQUIPMENT REQUIREMENTS FOR POWERED AMATEUR
> > BUILT EXPERIMENTAL AIRCRAFT.
> >
> > I will email a copy of this table to any reader requesting it.
Me too!
Gaillard.peck.ctr@nellis.af.mil
Thanks,
Gail Peck
RV-8 (tail almost complete)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-avionics-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-avionics-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of FLAGSTONE
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 12:19 AM
Subject: Re: Avionics-List: IFR GPS requirements
Ditto
Mark
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Grosse" <grosseair@comcast.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 11:55 AM
Subject: Re: Avionics-List: IFR GPS requirements
<grosseair@comcast.net>
>
> I'd like a copy please.
>
> John Grosse
>
> >
> >
> > I have prepared a table that serves as a quick reference on this
subject:
> >
> > MINIMUM INSTRUMENT AND EQUIPMENT REQUIREMENTS FOR POWERED AMATEUR
> > BUILT EXPERIMENTAL AIRCRAFT.
> >
> > I will email a copy of this table to any reader requesting it.
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: IFR GPS requirements |
Please send me a copy. Jay Rowe jfrjr@roadrunner.com
----- Original Message -----
From: <bakerocb@cox.net>
To: <avionics-list@matronics.com>; <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>;
<jindoguy@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 2:01 PM
Subject: Avionics-List: IFR GPS requirements
>
> 1/17/2008
>
> Hello Rick, Thanks for your input and interest in this subject. You
wrote:
>
> 1) "It depends on what the inspector wrote into you ops limits."
>
> The FAA Inspector or DAR is directed by FAA Order 8130.2_ (edition F,
with
> change 3 incorporated is the current version) what to write into the
> Operating Limitations when issuing the Special Airworthiness Certificate
for
> an amateur built experimental aircraft. His prerogative to ad lib in
this
> specific area (IFR GPS requirements) is extremely limited to non
existent.
>
> 2) "If he referenced 91.205 as a requirement for IFR flight, then you
must
> get the
> system tested by an FAA certified shop." and "If not you can proceed as
you
> wish."
>
> These two statements are misleading / incorrect.
>
> 2A) First off, There is no "if" about it. He most certainly will
reference
> 91.205 as a requirement for IFR flight. He will do this by incorporating
> this statement into the Operating Limitations: "After completion of
phase 1
> testing, unless appropriately equipped for night and/or instrument
flight in
> accordance with 91.205, this aircraft is to be operated VFR day only."
See
> paragraph 1 above.
>
> 2B) Second, Other than the normal regulatory requirements for periodic
> inspections of the altitude encoder, the altimeter, and the transponder
> (these inspection requirements also apply to type certificated aircraft)
> there is no requirement to "get the system tested by an FAA certified
shop."
>
> 2C) Third, It is not clear what you mean when you write the word
"system".
>
> I have prepared a table that serves as a quick reference on this
subject:
>
> MINIMUM INSTRUMENT AND EQUIPMENT REQUIREMENTS FOR POWERED AMATEUR BUILT
> EXPERIMENTAL AIRCRAFT.
>
> I will email a copy of this table to any reader requesting it.
>
> 'OC' Says: "The best investment we can make is the effort to gather and
> understand knowledge."
>
> -------------------------------------------------------
>
> Time: 06:50:54 AM PST US
> From: "Richard Girard" <jindoguy@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: IFR GPS requirements
>
> Peter, et al, It depends on what the inspector wrote into you ops
limits. If
> he referenced 91.205 as a requirement for IFR flight, then you must get
the
> system tested by an FAA certified shop. If not you can proceed as you
wish.
> In the Ops Limits I received yesterday, Item 11:
> "After completion of phase 1 testing, unless appropriately equipped for
> night and/or instrument flight in accordance with 91.205, this aircraft
is
> to be operated VFR day only."
>
> Rick Girard
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
1/17/2008 11:12 AM
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: VHF Transmitting Noise |
Bill,
Another thing to check is that the sidetone produced by the IC 200 is not
adding to any sidetone provided by the PS intercom.
There might be instructions about this on the PS engineering site.
The IC 200 can be withdrawn from its tray, on the top cover there will be an adjustment
hole marked "S-tone" which you can reset all the way back or fwd as
the case may be, to prevent the radio putting a sample of your voice into the
earphones during transmission. I expect the intercom already does this for you,
so you dont require it twice.
Ralph
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