---------------------------------------------------------- Avionics-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 02/27/08: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:17 AM - Re: Inflight cameras (Carlos Trigo) 2. 05:51 AM - Re: Inflight cameras (N395V) 3. 06:14 AM - Re: Inflight cameras (Noel Loveys) 4. 09:19 AM - Re: Inflight cameras (Gary Liming) 5. 09:20 AM - Inflight Cameras (Steve Hutt) 6. 10:39 AM - Re: Inflight cameras (D Wysong) 7. 10:52 AM - TVS Failures () 8. 04:52 PM - Re: AeroElectric-List: TVS Failures (Henador Titzoff) 9. 08:27 PM - Re: Inflight cameras (teamgrumman@aol.com) 10. 08:36 PM - Re: Inflight Cameras (teamgrumman@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:17:05 AM PST US From: "Carlos Trigo" Subject: RE: Avionics-List: Inflight cameras I am also interested in what you find Carlos Trigo RV-9A Portugal _____ From: owner-avionics-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-avionics-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of BUCSDDS@aol.com Sent: quarta-feira, 27 de Fevereiro de 2008 1:26 Subject: Re: Avionics-List: Inflight cameras If you should receive any response would you mind sharing? Marwin Goff DSM Varieze O-200 515-360-0778 bucsdds@aol.com In a message dated 2/26/2008 6:24:17 P.M. Central Standard Time, lik_2_fly@hotmail.com writes: Hi, Wondering if anyone has any experiance with in flight video camera's. Having trouble finding reasonably high quality camera's as well as recorders that can take mutliple camera's without the quality degrading. Or do people just run individual video camera's for each remote head? Does anyone know what type of camera's are used in redbull air races? cheers Chris _____ Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. Watch the video on AOL Living. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:51:58 AM PST US Subject: Avionics-List: Re: Inflight cameras From: "N395V" Good discussion about them here. http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=25181&highlight=camera+easy Several other threads on VAF if you search cameras or videos, -------- Milt 2003 F1 Rocket 2006 Radial Rocket Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=166538#166538 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:14:34 AM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Avionics-List: Inflight cameras I think most of the guys just use one small video camera in the plane or mounted outside. With multiple cameras you can edit the pieces together on you r computer. Bringing a whole switching suite aloft in a two seat plane isn't really an option. I would recommend using a 1A skylight filter for video aloft to kill some of the excess blue you usually get. It will also make the ground look a lot sharper.. White light balancing can do a lot to correct colour but to do the job right you still have to go back to either a 1A or a UV lens filter. When placed on a sheet of white paper the 1A will appear to have a very slight yellow tint.. The UV will look slightly salmon colour. Neither filter will affect your exposure. I also advise you to go to a camera specialty shop to buy your equipment. They probably won't look at you as if you had two heads when you ask about filters to fit the camera you are about to purchase. They will also be able to advise you on the care and operation of your camera and generally if warranty is required they will help there too. BTW most camera stores are very competitive with big box outfits like Wallyco. Noel From: owner-avionics-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-avionics-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carlos Trigo Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 7:43 AM Subject: RE: Avionics-List: Inflight cameras I am also interested in what you find Carlos Trigo RV-9A Portugal _____ From: owner-avionics-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-avionics-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of BUCSDDS@aol.com Sent: quarta-feira, 27 de Fevereiro de 2008 1:26 Subject: Re: Avionics-List: Inflight cameras If you should receive any response would you mind sharing? Marwin Goff DSM Varieze O-200 515-360-0778 bucsdds@aol.com In a message dated 2/26/2008 6:24:17 P.M. Central Standard Time, lik_2_fly@hotmail.com writes: Hi, Wondering if anyone has any experiance with in flight video camera's. Having trouble finding reasonably high quality camera's as well as recorders that can take mutliple camera's without the quality degrading. Or do people just run individual video camera's for each remote head? Does anyone know what type of camera's are used in redbull air races? cheers Chris _____ Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. Watch the video on AOL Living. http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:19:09 AM PST US From: Gary Liming Subject: Re: Avionics-List: Inflight cameras I have four permanent mounts on my airplane - a camera looking straight aft (which comes in handy as a "rear view mirror") and makes very dramatic departure footage in the STOL plane, and one on each wing on a ground adjustable swivel. I usually have the right wingcam pointed straight ahead (or sometimes, straight down) and the other one I have pointed at the cabin. I also have a rear cabin camera pointed at the panel, also looking out the windshield, and another one (lower res) that is wireless that can be duct taped anywhere outside on the airframe for recording tufts, etc. All of the these go into a shielded 5 position switch box that has two outputs, one to a monitor built into the door of my mapbox, and the other to jacks to the video camera. The audio portion of the video camera is fed by the intercom's output of the pilot's headphones, so anything I hear in my headphones is recorded. All devices are 12 volts. The cameras are 480 line Sony super HAD 1/3 inch sensor cams that allow for different focal length lenses. They look pretty good for standard res tv, and make for some clear images. Anything less looks pretty bad - I am waiting for some 720 or even 1080 cams to be cheaply available - then I might upgrade the cameras. I usually just hook up the camera to the system and turn it on as part of preflight - select which camera I want to record, and then forget about it until landing. One exception is if I want to see who is behind me on the taxi way if its a busy day. I have learned to always have the recorder on, though, because you simply don't know what might come up - the one time you don't use it is the time you wish you had. If the flight is unremarkable, I just rewind the DV for the next flight. Gary Liming ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:20:23 AM PST US From: "Steve Hutt" Subject: Avionics-List: Inflight Cameras I've no experience of using these, but they are built specifically for this sort of task... See here: http://www.sport-cam.co.uk/activities.asp These folks are in the UK but I'd be very surprised if there's no equivalent available in the US. Take a look at the Quad Splitter and the 30GB Digital Recorder in the Recording Devices section. Steve ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:39:39 AM PST US From: "D Wysong" Subject: Avionics-List: Re: Inflight cameras > Hi, Wondering if anyone has any experiance with in flight video camera's. H > aving trouble finding reasonably high quality camera's as well as recorders > that can take mutliple camera's without the quality degrading. See info on cameras, recorder selection, and some great flying videos here: http://www.thedukes.org/rv/tailcam.html As you noted, pulling multiple feeds into one recorder will degrade the quality since you're "sharing" a fixed amount of recorder resolution between the cameras. We dedicate one recorder per camera or use a video switcher between multiple cameras and a single recorder. D ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:52:18 AM PST US From: Subject: Avionics-List: TVS Failures 2/27/2008 Hello Fellow Builders, The certificated airplane community has been hit with a series of TVS failures. Several different manufacturer's airplanes have been affected. Copied below is just one of the SAIB's that the FAA has issued on this subject. If your project includes TVS' you may want to further investigate -- the same TVS manufacturer seems to be involved in all failures. 'OC' Says: "The best investment we can make is the effort to gather and understand knowledge." ----------------------------------------------------- FAA Aircraft Certification Service SPECIAL AIRWORTHINESS INFORMATION BULLETIN SUBJ: Electrical Power SAIB: CE-08-12 This is information only. Recommendations aren't mandatory. Introduction This Special Airworthiness Information Bulletin (SAIB) advises you of an airworthiness concern on Cirrus Design Corporation (CDC) Models SR20 and SR22 airplanes where possible failure of a transient voltage suppressor (TVS) may result in an increase in workload for the pilot. This airworthiness action has been taken after consideration of the responses from CDC as well as airplane owners/ operators through relevant associations and type clubs, using the procedures found in the Small Airplane Directorate Airworthiness Directives Manual Supplement (Airworthiness Concern Process Guide). At this time, this airworthiness concern is not considered an unsafe condition that would warrant an airworthiness directive (AD) action under Title 14 of the Code of Federal Regulations (14 CFR part 39). Background CDC notified the Federal Aviation Administration of the failure of a TVS on a CDC Model SR22 airplane, which resulted in loss of NAV/COM1 functionality and some smoke and fumes within the cockpit. Since that time, 14 other TVS's have failed on CDC airplanes in the field. Other airplanes equipped with TVSs from the same manufacturer have recently experienced failures. Our findings thus far, show that the electronic component itself is the primary suspect for a cause of the failures. To date, no specific reason has been positively identified for the failures although several companies are working on the problem. As previously mentioned, no other functionality other than the NAV/COMM 1 has been lost on a CDC airplane. All CDC airplanes have redundancy with a NAV/COMM 2 available. Also, in all known occurrences of TVS failures, the smoke and fumes have been noted to be of short duration and not sufficient to impede the pilots visibility, or toxic such that the pilot's ability to operate the airplane is impaired. Recommendations We recommend that all CDC airplane owner/operators thoroughly read Cirrus service advisory SA 07-17, dated September 11, 2007. The service advisory provides good information on what to expect should a TVS failure occur and what actions should be taken by the pilot. For Further Information Contact Wesley Rouse, Aerospace Engineer, FAA Chicago Aircraft Certification, 2300 E. Devon, Des Plaines, IL 60018; phone: (847) 294-8113; email: wess.rouse@faa.gov ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:52:30 PM PST US From: Henador Titzoff Subject: Avionics-List: Re: AeroElectric-List: TVS Failures Bob, Without calling the FAA, you wouldn't happen to know how to get the failed TVS vendor's name, would you? The CDC website of course has no bad news in it. I'm sure the vendor isn't advertising it, either. Thanks, Henador Titzof ----- Original Message ---- From: "bakerocb@cox.net" Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 1:49:42 PM Subject: AeroElectric-List: TVS Failures --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: 2/27/2008 Hello Fellow Builders, The certificated airplane community has been hit with a series of TVS failures. Several different manufacturer's airplanes have been affected. Copied below is just one of the SAIB's that the FAA has issued on this subject. If your project includes TVS' you may want to further investigate -- the same TVS manufacturer seems to be involved in all failures. 'OC' Says: "The best investment we can make is the effort to gather and understand knowledge." Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:27:21 PM PST US Subject: Re: Avionics-List: Inflight cameras From: teamgrumman@aol.com Would it be possible to provide a list of the parts, where they can be purch ased, and how much. =C2-I am about to do some flight testing and was wonde ring about cameras. -----Original Message----- From: Gary Liming Sent: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 9:09 am Subject: Re: Avionics-List: Inflight cameras =C2- I have four permanent mounts on my airplane - a camera looking straight aft (which comes in handy as a "rear view mirror") and makes very dramatic departure footage in the STOL plane, and one on each wing on a ground adjustable swivel. I usually have the right wingcam pointed straight ahead (or sometimes, straight down) and the other one I have pointed at the cabin. I also have a rear cabin camera pointed at the panel, also looking out the windshield, and another one (lower res) that is wireless that can be duct taped anywhere outside on the airframe for recording tufts, etc. All of the these go into a shielded 5 position switch box that has two outputs, one to a monitor built into the door of my mapbox, and the other to jacks to the video camera. The audio portion of the video camera is fed by the intercom's output of the pilot's headphones, so anything I hear in my headphones is recorded. All devices are 12 volts.=C2- =C2- The cameras are 480 line Sony super HAD 1/3 inch sensor cams that allow for different focal length lenses. They look pretty good for standard res tv, and make for some clear images. Anything less looks pretty bad - I am waiting for some 720 or even 1080 cams to be cheaply available - then I might upgrade the cameras.=C2- =C2- I usually just hook up the camera to the system and turn it on as part of preflight - select which camera I want to record, and then forget about it until landing. One exception is if I want to see who is behind me on the taxi way if its a busy day. I have learned to always have the recorder on, though, because you simply don't know what might come up - the one time you don't use it is the time you wish you had. If the flight is unremarkable, I just rewind the DV for the next flight.=C2- =C2- Gary Liming=C2- =C2- =C2- ============C2- ============C2- ============C2- ============C2- =C2- =C2- ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:36:28 PM PST US Subject: Re: Avionics-List: Inflight Cameras From: teamgrumman@aol.com The setup page says I need a camcorder. =C2-Doesn't the DVR do the same th ing? -----Original Message----- From: Steve Hutt Sent: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 9:07 am Subject: Avionics-List: Inflight Cameras I=99ve no experience of using these, but they are built specifically for this sort of task.. =C2- See here:=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- http://www.s port-cam.co.uk/activities.asp =C2- These folks are in the UK but I=99d be very surprised if there=99s no equivalent available in the US. =C2- Take a look at the Quad Splitter and the 30GB Digital Recorder in the Recording Devices section. =C2- Steve =C2- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message avionics-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Avionics-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/avionics-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/avionics-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.