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Subject: | Charting Uncontrolled Airspace |
1/24/2010
Hello Fellow Marine Old Bob, You wrote: "However, I do NOT see where
controlled and uncontrolled airspace is pertinent to the discussion."
Agreed -- airspace category identification on charts per se was not
pertinent to the original posting, but that identification became of
educational interest as postings went on. I don't think an audit trail of
the entire sequence of postings on how this subject got all wrapped around
the axle is desired by all readers -- so here is a condensed audit trail
version:
A) It all began with a posting by Steve Thomas (Msg # 48119 on Jan 16,
2010), using the subject "Encoder Certification" who wanted to know if he
could fly away from his home base with his newly certified experimental
amateur built airplane without an operating and certified transponder in
order to have the appropriate transponder checks done at another location.
B) Both you and I responded to his request (maybe some others as well)
telling him how this was possible. Neither of us used the term "controlled
airspace".
C) Then on Jan 18, 2010 in #48141 Jon Finley wrote: "Everything noted so
far in this thread assumes controlled airspace." and leaving the impression
that controlled airspace alone could possibly be the determining factor in
whether or not an aircraft was required to be equipped with an operable
coded transponder.
D) You and I both responded in a supportive, but clarification manner to
Jon. Then followed a series of transponder oriented postings by many that
morphed into a discussion of controlled versus uncontrolled airspace
transponder requirements that further morphed into a discussion of how
controlled and uncontrolled airspace was depicted on our aviation charts.
E) In that discourse on Jan20, 2010 in Msg #48158 Jon wrote: "......one has
to actually look at a sectional (NOT IFR chart) to see where true
"uncontrolled airspace" exists."
F) I then attempted to clarify that chart related statement by changing the
subject line to "Charting Uncontrolled Airspace" and pointing out the
existence of the brown shaded uncontrolled airspace locations on the low
altitude IFR charts which could not be determined by looking at a Sectional
chart alone. Jon took exception to my clarification and we were launched off
on an ongoing posting wrangle on that charting point using the new subject
line .
So you can see how we got from encoder certification into airspace
depictions on charts. Maybe a bit messy sequence of events, and maybe not
all directly related to this aeroelectric list venue, but still of some
interest to those of us who fly in this country. I am mindful of the many
readers of this list who may absorb what is written here without a
challenging or questioning attitude and I am reluctant to let stand
potentially misleading information.
Semper Fidelis,
'OC'
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Time: 09:55:51 AM PST US
From: bobsv35b@aol.com
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Charting Uncontrolled Airspace
Good Morning OC,
I, for one admire your tenacity and am glad you are helping to educate the
rest of us. However, I do NOT see where controlled and uncontrolled
airspace is pertinent to the discussion. As I understood the question, he
wanted
to know where a transponder was required. A transponder is NOT required for
VFR flight in the vast majority of controlled airspace.
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Downers Grove. IL
Stearman N3977A
Never an officer, just a Corporal, USMC.
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Subject: | Encoder Certification |
1/24/2010
Hello John Grosse, You wrote: "I personally don't understand why you just
wouldn't buy a transponder..."
{Response} Recall that this thread began with a posting by Steve Thomas (Msg
# 48119 on Jan 16, 2010 using the subject "Encoder Certification") who
wanted to know if he
could fly away from his home base with his newly certified experimental
amateur built airplane without an operating and certified transponder in
order to have the appropriate transponder checks done at another location.
Sorry that it got so drawn out and exhausting as we initially tried to help
him and then got bogged down while trying to clarify some subsequent
postings.
'OC' Says: "The best investment we can make is the effort to gather and
understand knowledge."
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Time: 10:04:57 PM PST US
From: John Grosse <grosseair@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: RE: Encoder Certification
This whole discussion has me totally exhausted. I personally don't
understand why you just wouldn't buy a transponder... unless, of course.
you're smuggling drugs or are flying some WWI vintage rag bag with no
electrical system. Then I get it, and why would you even care?
John Grosse
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