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1. 07:26 AM - Minimal IFR: What to do with your old Nav-122? (n1345p)
2. 07:59 AM - Re: Minimal IFR: What to do with your old Nav-122? (Rowland Carson)
3. 08:18 AM - Re: Minimal IFR: What to do with your old Nav-122? (Dennis W. Wilt)
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| Subject: | Minimal IFR: What to do with your old Nav-122? |
Minimal IFR: What to do with your old Nav-122?
Lots of Pipers from the 60 and 70s have Narco radios they were the least expensive
at the time, have since gone out of business and support for these radios
is fading away. We send a steady flow of Narco products to Bevan-Rabell in Wichita
for repair. They usually take about 4 weeks and $450 and your Mark12D
is back in operation. This has not been the case for the all-in-one navigation
radios. Last week we sent a Nav-122 for repair to find it needed plastic gears
that are no longer available. This instrument candidate is working to get
his plane ready for an instrument training, checkride and regular flights to
Houston and New Mexico. What are the best solutions? He has a mixture of other
radios such as an old Apollo GX-55 GPS, and couple communication radios (TKM-810,
and KY196).
Of course we recommended buying a Garmin setup with new or used GNS or GTN with
an indicator and an audio panel, and keeping one of his Com radios as a second
Com.
- used Garmin GNS430W = $6500
- 340 audio panel used = $1000
- GI106A indicator used = $1500
- Wiring harness = $1200
- Installation $1000
At a minimum $11,200 and this does not get ADS-B.
What about if all you want to do is instrument training, checkride and basic IFR
for less money? (Assuming you do not need/want an IFR GPS and the $425 plus
year subscription). Is there a replacement for a NAV-122? You can use Foreflight/wingx/etc
or for VFR GPS and you just want to fly VOR/LOC/GS approaches if
needed.
We installed a VAL INS-422 in our blue Cessna 150 about 11 years ago. It is designed
after a Nav-122 and has been trouble free. I used it for a CFI-I instrument
check ride and did some IFR training in our blue Cessna 150. This radio
has not seen a lot of use. Our C150 has not done a lot of instrument training
due to its limited climb rate, slow speeds with faster traffic and limited range.
Val redesigned the new INS-429 a few years ago. It has much better features
including operation as a course deviation indicator for a Garmin installation.
With a street price of $1585, it is about the same price as a used Garmin
Indicator (GI-106A) and could be integrated with a Garmin in the future.
We pulled the trigger on this last week and will report how well it works. The
installation is straight forward as we will reuse most of the existing wiring:
3 antenna cables (VOR, Glideslope from splitter, and existing marker beacon
antenna), power, ground and existing audio cables to audio panel. Installation
will be a minor alteration as defined in Advisory Circular AC 20-138D, and
a logbook entry.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=440190#440190
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| Subject: | Re: Minimal IFR: What to do with your old Nav-122? |
On 2 Apr 2015, at 15:25, n1345p <n1345p@suddenlink.net> wrote:
> Last week we sent a Nav-122 for repair to find it needed plastic gears that are
no longer available
Sounds like a job for a 3-D printer!
in friendship
Rowland
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| Subject: | Re: Minimal IFR: What to do with your old Nav-122? |
Makes a good door stop. I have an ARC-300 Nav/Comm that I use for one.
Regards,
Dennis W. Wilt
N616DW (Arion Lightning S/N 132)
-----Original Message-----
From: n1345p <n1345p@suddenlink.net>
Sent: Thu, Apr 2, 2015 10:27 am
Subject: Avionics-List: Minimal IFR: What to do with your old Nav-122?
Minimal
IFR: What to do with your old Nav-122?
Lots of Pipers from the 60 and 70=C3=A2=C2=C2=99s
have Narco radios =C3=A2=C2=C2=93 they were the least expensive at the t
ime, have since gone
out of business and support for these radios is fading away. We send a ste
ady
flow of Narco products to Bevan-Rabell in Wichita for repair. They usually
take
about 4 weeks and $450 and your Mark12D is back in operation. This has not
been
the case for the all-in-one navigation radios. Last week we sent a Nav-122
for
repair to find it needed plastic gears that are no longer available. This
instrument candidate is working to get his plane ready for an instrument
training, checkride and regular flights to Houston and New Mexico. What ar
e the
best solutions? He has a mixture of other radios such as an old Apollo GX-
55
GPS, and couple communication radios (TKM-810, and KY196).
Of course we
recommended buying a Garmin setup with new or used GNS or GTN with an indic
ator
and an audio panel, and keeping one of his Com radios as a second Com.
- used
Garmin GNS430W = $6500
- 340 audio panel used = $1000
- GI106A indicator used
= $1500
- Wiring harness = $1200
- Installation $1000
At a minimum $11,200
and this does not get ADS-B.
What about if all you want to do is instrument
training, checkride and basic IFR for less money? (Assuming you do not need
/want
an IFR GPS and the $425 plus year subscription). Is there a replacement fo
r a
NAV-122? You can use Foreflight/wingx/etc or for VFR GPS and you just want
to
fly VOR/LOC/GS approaches if needed.
We installed a VAL INS-422 in our blue
Cessna 150 about 11 years ago. It is designed after a Nav-122 and has been
trouble free. I used it for a CFI-I instrument check ride and did some IFR
training in our blue Cessna 150. This radio has not seen a lot of use. Ou
r
C150 has not done a lot of instrument training due to its limited climb rat
e,
slow speeds with faster traffic and limited range. Val redesigned the new
INS-429 a few years ago. It has much better features including operation a
s a
course deviation indicator for a Garmin installation. With a street price
of
$1585, it is about the same price as a used Garmin Indicator (GI-106A) and
could
be integrated with a Garmin in the future. We pulled the trigger on this l
ast
week and will report how well it works. The installation is straight forwa
rd as
we will reuse most of the existing wiring: 3 antenna cables (VOR, Glideslo
pe
from splitter, and existing marker beacon antenna), power, ground and exist
ing
audio cables to audio panel. Installation will be a minor alteration as de
fined
in Advisory Circular AC 20-138D, and a logbook entry.
Read this topic
online
here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=440190#440190
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