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1. 06:06 AM - Re: Engine Monitors (flyv35b)
2. 06:28 AM - Re: Engine Monitors (Shelby Smith)
3. 07:13 AM - Engine Monitors (BobsV35B@aol.com)
4. 08:17 AM - Re: Engine Monitors (flyv35b)
5. 08:23 AM - Re: Engine Monitors (Rodger Hamrick)
6. 10:07 AM - Re: Engine Monitors (Tom Henderson)
7. 10:24 AM - Re: Engine Monitors (BobsV35B@aol.com)
8. 10:33 AM - Re: Re: Engine Monitors (Rodger Hamrick)
9. 01:39 PM - Re: Re: Engine Monitors (Eric Poole)
10. 09:36 PM - Re: Engine Monitors (Tom Henderson)
11. 10:52 PM - Re: Engine Monitors (Tom Henderson)
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Monitors |
--> Beech-List message posted by: "flyv35b" <flyv35b@ashcreekwireless.com>
I would strongly urge you to consider the Electronics International UBG-16
engine analyzer. It will do everything the JPI EDM-700 will do and is a
better unit in several regards. I have a EDM-700 in my Bonanza but would
not install one again.
I am a dealer for EI (as well as JPI) and have been so for many years and
have many happy customers for their products. They are a top notch company,
the best in this business IMO. Please contact me if you want further info
and I can most likely get you a better price that you will find anywhere
else.
Cliff Hanson A&P/IA
Cascade Country Aviation
Independence, OR
503-838-3547
----- Original Message -----
From: "The Armstrongs" <armstpat@comcast.net>
Subject: Beech-List: Engine Monitors
> --> Beech-List message posted by: The Armstrongs <armstpat@comcast.net>
>
> I am in the process of putting a factory reman engine in my J35. I am
> going to install either a GEM 610 or JPI 700 C CHT/EGT monitor during
> the process. Does anyone out there have any experiences with either of
> these they would like to share?
>
> George Armstrong
> N8366D.
>
>
>
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--> Beech-List message posted by: Shelby Smith <rvaitor@comcast.net>
I can't speak to the JPI issues, but EI is a superb company. A couple
of years ago, I was replacing my single probe EGT/CHT with a EAC-1 and
called the company for help. They sent me new probes, and new faceplate
and everything I needed. I think they only charged me for the probes -
just excellent service.
I noticed recently JPI running what I felt to misleading ads concerning
EI equipment. I also noticed EI did not respond with similar ads. That
was an additional indication the caliber of the company.
Shelby Smith
On Wednesday, May 4, 2005, at 08:08 AM, flyv35b wrote:
> --> Beech-List message posted by: "flyv35b"
> <flyv35b@ashcreekwireless.com>
>
> I would strongly urge you to consider the Electronics International
> UBG-16
> engine analyzer. It will do everything the JPI EDM-700 will do and is
> a
> better unit in several regards. I have a EDM-700 in my Bonanza but
> would
> not install one again.
>
> I am a dealer for EI (as well as JPI) and have been so for many years
> and
> have many happy customers for their products. They are a top notch
> company,
> the best in this business IMO. Please contact me if you want further
> info
> and I can most likely get you a better price that you will find
> anywhere
> else.
>
> Cliff Hanson A&P/IA
> Cascade Country Aviation
> Independence, OR
> 503-838-3547
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "The Armstrongs" <armstpat@comcast.net>
> To: <beech-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Beech-List: Engine Monitors
>
>
>> --> Beech-List message posted by: The Armstrongs
>> <armstpat@comcast.net>
>>
>> I am in the process of putting a factory reman engine in my J35. I am
>> going to install either a GEM 610 or JPI 700 C CHT/EGT monitor during
>> the process. Does anyone out there have any experiences with either
>> of
>> these they would like to share?
>>
>> George Armstrong
>> N8366D.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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--> Beech-List message posted by: BobsV35B@aol.com
Good Morning George,
I have noted the message sent by Tom Henderson in response to your query.
If I may add a bit more to the story...... The owner of JPI has recently
added software to his product that appears to be attempting to do what Steve
Jobes did with Macintosh.
He is making the software a closed system which will require that everyone
buy his software if the operator wants to download and analyze the stored data.
The other two major producers of engine monitors have both elected to make
their product open so that other producers may make software which will allow
very flexible manipulation of the data.
A bit of personal engine monitor history if I may.
I bought and installed an early GEM 602 monitor with a Shadin Fuel flow unit
in 1990. At that time, GEM was the only monitor offering the Bar Graph
style presentation and Shadin had the premiere fuel flow unit.
JPI shortly thereafter introduced their version of a Bar Graph Monitor and
combined it with the ability to also read precise temperatures in addition to
relative temperatures. (Whether or not precise temperatures are a "good thing"
is still open to question.)
Insight countered with the 610 which added precise temperature capability
and memory.
We were all winners due to competition in the field.
I bought a 610 to replace my old 602.
A couple of years later, I had a chance to buy a late model Shadin at a very
reasonable price. I did that for my airplane and gave my old GEM and Shadin
to one of my sons which were later installed in his S35.
As the years went by, I noted that Joe Polizzoti (sp?) was always at every
Oshkosh, AOPA Plantation Party and Sun n' Fun to hawk his JPI wares and listen
to the customer.
That seemed like a very "good thing". Listening to the customer is
generally a very good practice. He was making changes and continuously improving
his
product. The early JPI equipment had suffered from low quality construction
and had high failure rates.
Meanwhile, I had the need for some other instrumentation not provided by
either Insight or JPI. I investigated what was available and chose Electronics
International for a loadmeter to monitor my standby alternator.
As the years went by, Insight and Shadin seemed to just sit on their
products. Very few, if any, changes or improvements were made.
Electronics International and JPI continued to improve their products and
both added new units to their product line.
Along the way, one of our other sons managed to buy a used GEM 603 at a very
low price which he installed in his Bonanza. When he recently installed an
IO-550-B in his J35, he added a Shadin fuel flow unit (which is currently
available at a very reasonable price), though it is still the same relatively
simple unit offered over fifteen years ago.
Consequently, our family now has three Bonanzas all equipped with GEM and
Shadin equipment for monitoring purposes.
I have added several Electronics Instrument devices along the way, but I
have never used or installed one of their UBG 16s.
I have found the quality of the Electronics International equipment to be
very high and what little communications I have had with the factory have been
pleasant and helpful.
The only things I do not care for is the wiring harness they use and the
physical size of their instruments. The wiring is high quality, but bulky. I
asked why they use that particular equipment and was told it is because they
sell mainly to the homebuilding group and it makes their installations easier.
It does not require as much skill to get the installation reliable.
One year ago, if you had asked which equipment to buy, I would have said to
go with JPI. JPI was turning the crank and responding to the customer base.
It now appears the he feels he has the market cornered and can dictate what
the customer will buy. That never bodes well for the consumer, so I feel it
is time we go elsewhere.
My recommendation today would be for you to seriously consider buying the
Electronics International UBG 16 and associated equipment to provide six
cylinder EGT, CHT and digital fuel flow capability along with the memory module.
One of my neighbors has done so, but I have not yet had any report on
suitability other than it is working well and that his installer had no
difficulties with the installation.
Even though my sons and I have had good luck with GEM and Shadin equipment,
I cannot recommend buying equipment from companies that have almost abandoned
the market.
It appears that JPI and EI are the two who are being competitive. I always
like to support the underdog among fierce competitors.
Time will tell!!!!
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Ancient Aviator
Stearman N3977A
Brookeridge Airpark LL22
Downers Grove, IL 60516
630 985-8502
In a message dated 5/4/2005 1:56:17 A.M. Central Standard Time,
_beech-list@matronics.com_ (mailto:beech-list@matronics.com) writes:
I am in the process of putting a factory reman engine in my J35. I am
going to install either a GEM 610 or JPI 700 C CHT/EGT monitor during
the process. Does anyone out there have any experiences with either of
these they would like to share?
George Armstrong
N8366D.
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Monitors |
--> Beech-List message posted by: "flyv35b" <flyv35b@ashcreekwireless.com>
And if you want to talk about being innovative and improving the product
line take a look at EI's website and the new MVP-50!
www.buy-EI.com
It will be quite awhile before it is available for certified aircraft but
what a fantastic piece of equipment. Of course JPI is also working on their
EDM-930.
Cliff A&P/IA
EI Dealer
----- Original Message -----
From: <BobsV35B@aol.com>
Subject: Beech-List: Engine Monitors
> --> Beech-List message posted by: BobsV35B@aol.com
>
>
> Good Morning George,
>
> I have noted the message sent by Tom Henderson in response to your query.
>
> If I may add a bit more to the story...... The owner of JPI has recently
> added software to his product that appears to be attempting to do what
> Steve
> Jobes did with Macintosh.
>
> He is making the software a closed system which will require that everyone
> buy his software if the operator wants to download and analyze the stored
> data.
>
> The other two major producers of engine monitors have both elected to make
> their product open so that other producers may make software which will
> allow
> very flexible manipulation of the data.
>
> A bit of personal engine monitor history if I may.
>
> I bought and installed an early GEM 602 monitor with a Shadin Fuel flow
> unit
> in 1990. At that time, GEM was the only monitor offering the Bar Graph
> style presentation and Shadin had the premiere fuel flow unit.
>
> JPI shortly thereafter introduced their version of a Bar Graph Monitor and
> combined it with the ability to also read precise temperatures in addition
> to
> relative temperatures. (Whether or not precise temperatures are a "good
> thing"
> is still open to question.)
>
> Insight countered with the 610 which added precise temperature capability
> and memory.
>
> We were all winners due to competition in the field.
>
> I bought a 610 to replace my old 602.
>
> A couple of years later, I had a chance to buy a late model Shadin at a
> very
> reasonable price. I did that for my airplane and gave my old GEM and
> Shadin
> to one of my sons which were later installed in his S35.
>
> As the years went by, I noted that Joe Polizzoti (sp?) was always at every
> Oshkosh, AOPA Plantation Party and Sun n' Fun to hawk his JPI wares and
> listen
> to the customer.
>
> That seemed like a very "good thing". Listening to the customer is
> generally a very good practice. He was making changes and continuously
> improving his
> product. The early JPI equipment had suffered from low quality
> construction
> and had high failure rates.
>
> Meanwhile, I had the need for some other instrumentation not provided by
> either Insight or JPI. I investigated what was available and chose
> Electronics
> International for a loadmeter to monitor my standby alternator.
>
> As the years went by, Insight and Shadin seemed to just sit on their
> products. Very few, if any, changes or improvements were made.
>
> Electronics International and JPI continued to improve their products and
> both added new units to their product line.
>
> Along the way, one of our other sons managed to buy a used GEM 603 at a
> very
> low price which he installed in his Bonanza. When he recently installed
> an
> IO-550-B in his J35, he added a Shadin fuel flow unit (which is currently
> available at a very reasonable price), though it is still the same
> relatively
> simple unit offered over fifteen years ago.
>
> Consequently, our family now has three Bonanzas all equipped with GEM and
> Shadin equipment for monitoring purposes.
>
> I have added several Electronics Instrument devices along the way, but I
> have never used or installed one of their UBG 16s.
>
> I have found the quality of the Electronics International equipment to be
> very high and what little communications I have had with the factory have
> been
> pleasant and helpful.
>
> The only things I do not care for is the wiring harness they use and the
> physical size of their instruments. The wiring is high quality, but
> bulky. I
> asked why they use that particular equipment and was told it is because
> they
> sell mainly to the homebuilding group and it makes their installations
> easier.
> It does not require as much skill to get the installation reliable.
>
> One year ago, if you had asked which equipment to buy, I would have said
> to
> go with JPI. JPI was turning the crank and responding to the customer
> base.
>
> It now appears the he feels he has the market cornered and can dictate
> what
> the customer will buy. That never bodes well for the consumer, so I feel
> it
> is time we go elsewhere.
>
> My recommendation today would be for you to seriously consider buying the
> Electronics International UBG 16 and associated equipment to provide six
> cylinder EGT, CHT and digital fuel flow capability along with the memory
> module.
>
> One of my neighbors has done so, but I have not yet had any report on
> suitability other than it is working well and that his installer had no
> difficulties with the installation.
>
> Even though my sons and I have had good luck with GEM and Shadin
> equipment,
> I cannot recommend buying equipment from companies that have almost
> abandoned
> the market.
>
> It appears that JPI and EI are the two who are being competitive. I always
> like to support the underdog among fierce competitors.
>
> Time will tell!!!!
>
> Happy Skies,
>
> Old Bob
> AKA
> Bob Siegfried
> Ancient Aviator
> Stearman N3977A
> Brookeridge Airpark LL22
> Downers Grove, IL 60516
> 630 985-8502
>
>
> In a message dated 5/4/2005 1:56:17 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> _beech-list@matronics.com_ (mailto:beech-list@matronics.com) writes:
>
> I am in the process of putting a factory reman engine in my J35. I am
> going to install either a GEM 610 or JPI 700 C CHT/EGT monitor during
> the process. Does anyone out there have any experiences with either of
> these they would like to share?
>
> George Armstrong
> N8366D.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Monitors |
--> Beech-List message posted by: Rodger Hamrick <rbhamrick@charter.net>
Hello George-
I've read the responses to your request and thought I would further expand some
comments and add my own thoughts and understanding.
I installed an EDM-700 in my V35 in 1995, later upgrading it with the memory module,
and then adding a FS-450 fuel flow. I have never had any issues with either
instrument. I have helped install one other EDM-700/FS-450 combination, and
also helped install an EI/Insight monitor. I prefer the JPI wiring and connectors,
and the faster responding JPI EGT probes (EI does offer a fast response
probe, but they do not recommend it.) I prefer the JPI menu and operator access.
I also prefer the internal JPI memory versus the separate EI memory component
requiring additional data/power wiring.
The original JPI download/decompression software for their memory data is EZSave.
EZSave provides limited ability to actually view the data (saved as .CSV files),
thus requiring importing it into Excel. While Excel allows you to view and
graph the trends, unless you are talented in writing Excel macros, you are
somewhat limited in what you can do with the data.
A third party group saw a tremendous opportunity and created a wonderful product
called EGTrends. This is basically a proprietary macro driven software utilizing
the EZSave data (.CSV files). This is a very powerful software, with many
viewing options. They offer products ranging from $149-$255.
JPI has since expanded their product line to include much more than the original
EDM-700 (which has also been upgraded several times). Rather than write a new
operating software for each device, JPI chose to write one operating software
universal to the entire product line. The new software saves historical data
as a .DAT file, rather than the previous .CSV file. The older EZSave will not
decompress the .DAT file, therefore JPI introduced the new download/decompression
software EZPlot. EZPlot also allows you to display and graph the data, eliminating
the need for Excel.
I have used the free JPI EZPlotI, and find it to be much more useable than the
older EZSave/Excel combination. JPI gave me a copy of the more powerful EZPlotII
(normally sells for $69) when I had the latest upgrade installed in my EDM-700.
It appears to have more features and display options than EZPlotI, but I
am honestly still learning all of its features.
I regularly download my engine data, so I too was quite concerned with this change
JPI made to proprietary download data. Unlike some other users, I have yet
to see a real problem (but then I have never used the third party EGTrends software).
For the GAMIinjector users (which I am), JPI has given GAMI the software to freely
convert .DAT files to .CSV format for use when assisting their customers.
Some one mentioned the possibility of JPI president Joe Polizzotto dying and leaving
us floundering with unaccessible data only he could provide. Keep in mind
JPI ia a multi-million dollar corporation, and not something he personally operates
out of a back bedroom.
Another lister stated he believed JPI was recently running (what he felt to be)
misleading ads concerning EI equipment. He commented that EI had not responded
with similar ads. To the contrary, you may be surprised to know JPI recently
sued EI in LA Superior Court for false advertising and won.
JPI employees have always treated promptly and courteously on any questions or
upgrades. I feel they are leading the pack in new products and support.
Good luck with your decision!
Rodger
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--> Beech-List message posted by: "Tom Henderson" <thender@adelphia.net>
Rodger-
Thanks for reminding me to point out that JPI has a history of suing
competitors (and even non-competitors) rather than compete with them in the
marketplace.
Matt Dralle, who makes this list possible, was viciously sued by JPI because
he used the word "scan" in the name of one of his instruments, and Joe P.
decided to sue him for it.
-Tom Henderson
Ventura, CA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rodger Hamrick" <rbhamrick@charter.net>
Subject: Re: Beech-List: Engine Monitors
> Another lister stated he believed JPI was recently running (what he felt
> to be) misleading ads concerning EI equipment. He commented that EI had
> not responded with similar ads. To the contrary, you may be surprised to
> know JPI recently sued EI in LA Superior Court for false advertising and
> won.
>
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--> Beech-List message posted by: BobsV35B@aol.com
Good Morning Tom,
Is there any truth to the rumor that Joe P. is also a lawyer?
I have been told that Matt Dralle had a case that he would probably have
won, but the cost of litigation drove him to settle out of court.
Being the big gorilla on the block combined with having a company litigator
on staff makes fighting him in court a bit of a problem.
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Ancient Aviator
Stearman N3977A
Brookeridge Airpark LL22
Downers Grove, IL 60516
630 985-8502
In a message dated 5/4/2005 12:08:31 P.M. Central Standard Time,
thender@adelphia.net writes:
Rodger-
Thanks for reminding me to point out that JPI has a history of suing
competitors (and even non-competitors) rather than compete with them in the
marketplace.
Matt Dralle, who makes this list possible, was viciously sued by JPI because
he used the word "scan" in the name of one of his instruments, and Joe P.
decided to sue him for it.
-Tom Henderson
Ventura, CA
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--> Beech-List message posted by: Rodger Hamrick <rbhamrick@charter.net>
Hello Tom-
I don't know about "a history of suing", but I see nothing wrong with protecting
one's self from false advertising. Sounds like the Supreme Court agreed.
Also, I don't remember the details, but I seem to recall Matt unknowingly used
"SCAN" in such a way that it violated a registered copyright.
Rodger
>
> From: "Tom Henderson" <thender@adelphia.net>
> Date: 2005/05/04 Wed PM 01:03:06 EDT
> To: <beech-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Beech-List: Engine Monitors
>
>
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--> Beech-List message posted by: Eric Poole <epoole@scoot.netis.com>
At 01:32 PM 5/4/2005 -0400, Rodger Hamrick wrote:
<RH>>>>I seem to recall Matt unknowingly used "SCAN" in such a way that it
violated a registered copyright.<<<<<
Hi, Rodger.
I'm pretty sure that the applicable law would be trademark, not copyright.
I make that point only because I was once told, by every lawyer I spoke
with at the time, that I could not get a registered trademark on the word
"AuctionWeb" (back when I ran NETIS AuctionWeb) because the words "auction"
and "web" are common words and you can't register a trademark made up out
of common words. Or something very close to that.
Under that philosophy, certainly "Scan" is a common word and I can't quite
imagine being able to register it as a registered trademark (note that
there are at least two kinds of trademark, "registered" and the other kind,
the kind you get by using the term in commerce without registering it).
To digress a bit ... note that my inability to register "AuctionWeb" as a
trademark had nothing at all to do with eBay calling itself "eBay
Aucionweb" back in those days. Pierre Omidyar, founder of eBay, and I
started our auction services (his for online auctions, mine as a web
service for conventional auctioneers) on virtually the same day, and we
never could determine which of us started using the Auctionweb name first
(but, I was first with the auctionweb.com domain name). So, we discussed
the issue like gentlemen and agreed that we could both use the term, and
there was never the slightest hint of getting the lawyers involved ... all
in all, a very pleasant experience, and an example of what can be done when
neither side feels the need to go running to the lawyers.
Eric Poole
Bonanza N122X
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--> Beech-List message posted by: "Tom Henderson" <thender@adelphia.net>
I don't know Bob.
Perhaps he is, or perhaps not; either way I think protecting the word
"scan" seems a bit much to me. I'm sure others have different views.
-Tom Henderson
Ventura, CA
----- Original Message -----
From: <BobsV35B@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Beech-List: Engine Monitors
> --> Beech-List message posted by: BobsV35B@aol.com
>
>
> Good Morning Tom,
>
> Is there any truth to the rumor that Joe P. is also a lawyer?
>
> I have been told that Matt Dralle had a case that he would probably have
> won, but the cost of litigation drove him to settle out of court.
>
> Being the big gorilla on the block combined with having a company
> litigator
> on staff makes fighting him in court a bit of a problem.
>
> Happy Skies,
>
> Old Bob
> AKA
> Bob Siegfried
> Ancient Aviator
> Stearman N3977A
> Brookeridge Airpark LL22
> Downers Grove, IL 60516
> 630 985-8502
>
>
> In a message dated 5/4/2005 12:08:31 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> thender@adelphia.net writes:
>
> Rodger-
>
> Thanks for reminding me to point out that JPI has a history of suing
> competitors (and even non-competitors) rather than compete with them in
> the
> marketplace.
>
> Matt Dralle, who makes this list possible, was viciously sued by JPI
> because
> he used the word "scan" in the name of one of his instruments, and Joe P.
> decided to sue him for it.
>
> -Tom Henderson
> Ventura, CA
>
>
>
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--> Beech-List message posted by: "Tom Henderson" <thender@adelphia.net>
Hey Rodger-
I know we have different views on this.
My only concern is the proprietary data format, which was put into effect
solely to put EGview out of business. The JPI tech folks said as much when
their bulletin board was up.
I certainly don't begrudge them the opportunity to modify the format, or to
upgrade the data system so that they can use the same software to support
all of their products. I think that sounds like a smart move.
I only wish they would leave the format public -- so that the users can use
the product of their choice.
They try to hide behind the smokescreen that they had to change the format
to support their widening product line. But they could have done it and
maintained made the format public -- as they had done for many years.
So I think we can agree to disagree on this one. I hope my post seemed
fair -- I think anyone that is making an analyzer choice needs to understand
how JPI has changed the rules in the last few months. To some that isn't a
big deal. To others it is.
-Tom Henderson
Ventura, CA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rodger Hamrick" <rbhamrick@charter.net>
Subject: Re: Beech-List: Engine Monitors
> --> Beech-List message posted by: Rodger Hamrick <rbhamrick@charter.net>
>
> Hello George-
>
> I've read the responses to your request and thought I would further expand
> some comments and add my own thoughts and understanding.
>
> I installed an EDM-700 in my V35 in 1995, later upgrading it with the
> memory module, and then adding a FS-450 fuel flow. I have never had any
> issues with either instrument. I have helped install one other
> EDM-700/FS-450 combination, and also helped install an EI/Insight monitor.
> I prefer the JPI wiring and connectors, and the faster responding JPI EGT
> probes (EI does offer a fast response probe, but they do not recommend
> it.) I prefer the JPI menu and operator access. I also prefer the internal
> JPI memory versus the separate EI memory component requiring additional
> data/power wiring.
>
> The original JPI download/decompression software for their memory data is
> EZSave. EZSave provides limited ability to actually view the data (saved
> as .CSV files), thus requiring importing it into Excel. While Excel allows
> you to view and graph the trends, unless you are talented in writing Excel
> macros, you are somewhat limited in what you can do with the data.
>
> A third party group saw a tremendous opportunity and created a wonderful
> product called EGTrends. This is basically a proprietary macro driven
> software utilizing the EZSave data (.CSV files). This is a very powerful
> software, with many viewing options. They offer products ranging from
> $149-$255.
>
> JPI has since expanded their product line to include much more than the
> original EDM-700 (which has also been upgraded several times). Rather than
> write a new operating software for each device, JPI chose to write one
> operating software universal to the entire product line. The new software
> saves historical data as a .DAT file, rather than the previous .CSV file.
> The older EZSave will not decompress the .DAT file, therefore JPI
> introduced the new download/decompression software EZPlot. EZPlot also
> allows you to display and graph the data, eliminating the need for Excel.
>
> I have used the free JPI EZPlotI, and find it to be much more useable than
> the older EZSave/Excel combination. JPI gave me a copy of the more
> powerful EZPlotII (normally sells for $69) when I had the latest upgrade
> installed in my EDM-700. It appears to have more features and display
> options than EZPlotI, but I am honestly still learning all of its
> features.
>
> I regularly download my engine data, so I too was quite concerned with
> this change JPI made to proprietary download data. Unlike some other
> users, I have yet to see a real problem (but then I have never used the
> third party EGTrends software).
>
> For the GAMIinjector users (which I am), JPI has given GAMI the software
> to freely convert .DAT files to .CSV format for use when assisting their
> customers.
>
> Some one mentioned the possibility of JPI president Joe Polizzotto dying
> and leaving us floundering with unaccessible data only he could provide.
> Keep in mind JPI ia a multi-million dollar corporation, and not something
> he personally operates out of a back bedroom.
>
> Another lister stated he believed JPI was recently running (what he felt
> to be) misleading ads concerning EI equipment. He commented that EI had
> not responded with similar ads. To the contrary, you may be surprised to
> know JPI recently sued EI in LA Superior Court for false advertising and
> won.
>
> JPI employees have always treated promptly and courteously on any
> questions or upgrades. I feel they are leading the pack in new products
> and support.
>
> Good luck with your decision!
>
> Rodger
>
>
>
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