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Wed 05/11/05


Total Messages Posted: 6



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     1. 09:13 AM - Ongoing G35 Saga (Doug Hodde)
     2. 09:41 AM - Re: Ongoing G35 Saga (OldBob Siegfried)
     3. 10:14 AM - Re: Ongoing G35 Saga (Marcos Della)
     4. 11:32 AM - Re: Ongoing G35 Saga (Tom Henderson)
     5. 01:40 PM - Re: Ongoing G35 Saga (Eric Poole)
     6. 07:03 PM - Re: Ongoing G35 Saga (Robert Starnes)
 
 
 


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    Time: 09:13:11 AM PST US
    From: "Doug Hodde" <hodde@olcwireless.net>
    Subject: Ongoing G35 Saga
    --> Beech-List message posted by: "Doug Hodde" <hodde@olcwireless.net> I appreciate all the advice I got from you guys on the G35. I'm learning fast. My A&I has been taking care of this plane for the last 10 years. He does quite a bit of Bonanza work, and has been an A&P for 53 years. The guy who owns the plane couldn't believe the compressions were low and went out and flew it. I think he thought the flight might loosen up things and help the compressions. They are rechecking the compressions as I type. The guy who has it says he will do a top overhaul and an annual prior to the sale if I want him to. I have learned that there is only one gear motor - My mistake. The guy who has it, took it in trade on his V35, and it had not flown for 6 months til yesterday. I will be going to the website and trying to download the prebuy checklist. I was an auto mechanic prior to my current job, so I think I could fix most of this stuff myself, but I am a little concerned about getting too deep into it due to the legalities (I'm not an A&P). It sounds like you guys do a lot of work on your own planes - What do you feel comfortable comfortable doing? My A&I says that for the last few years the owner has spent about $100 a month on average on maintainence surprises, and he says this is a good plane and he has no financial interest in the deal, so I'm inclined to believe him. My A&I has three complete E225's and a dozen spare cylinders for it, so he tells me not to worry too much about engine parts. Which windshield do you guys recommend and how much should I expect it to cost? I guess I don't understand the difference between the Speed Slope Windshield and the one piece windshield - Is there a difference? Thansk again - Doug


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    Time: 09:41:29 AM PST US
    From: OldBob Siegfried <oldbob@BeechOwners.com>
    Subject: Re: Ongoing G35 Saga
    --> Beech-List message posted by: OldBob Siegfried <oldbob@beechowners.com> Good Morning Doug, You and that G35 might be the perfect match. Sounds like you have the right mechanic. I would still suggest that you try to make a personal contact with another long time owner of an early Bonanza before you make the leap. Oh yes, the one piece windshield is available in the standard slope that was used prior to about 1968 and the steeper slope that has been used ever since. There are a couple of different options when it comes to installing the windshields. It can be combined with a major modification to the instrument panel or you can just stick in a new windshield. There are even at least two different options for the modification to allow for a speed slope windshield and at least two different methods of fastening the window to the aircraft. Please get to a local Bonanza group flyin so that all of these variances can be seen in person. Why don't you try to make it to Rough River this weekend. We start on Thursday and go home on Sunday. It would be the best education you could get in three days. Where are you located? Happy Skies, Old Bob --- Doug Hodde <hodde@olcwireless.net> wrote: > --> Beech-List message posted by: "Doug Hodde" > <hodde@olcwireless.net> > > I appreciate all the advice I got from you guys on > the G35. > > I'm learning fast. > > My A&I has been taking care of this plane for the > last 10 years. He does > quite a bit of Bonanza work, and has been an A&P for > 53 years. > > The guy who owns the plane couldn't believe the > compressions were low and > went out and flew it. I think he thought the flight > might loosen up things > and help the compressions. They are rechecking the > compressions as I type. > The guy who has it says he will do a top overhaul > and an annual prior to the > sale if I want him to. > > I have learned that there is only one gear motor - > My mistake. > > The guy who has it, took it in trade on his V35, and > it had not flown for 6 > months til yesterday. > > I will be going to the website and trying to > download the prebuy checklist. > > I was an auto mechanic prior to my current job, so I > think I could fix most > of this stuff myself, but I am a little concerned > about getting too deep > into it due to the legalities (I'm not an A&P). It > sounds like you guys do > a lot of work on your own planes - What do you feel > comfortable comfortable > doing? > > My A&I says that for the last few years the owner > has spent about $100 a > month on average on maintainence surprises, and he > says this is a good plane > and he has no financial interest in the deal, so I'm > inclined to believe > him. > > My A&I has three complete E225's and a dozen spare > cylinders for it, so he > tells me not to worry too much about engine parts. > > Which windshield do you guys recommend and how much > should I expect it to > cost? I guess I don't understand the difference > between the Speed Slope > Windshield and the one piece windshield - Is there a > difference? > > Thansk again - Doug > > > > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > > > > > >


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    Time: 10:14:10 AM PST US
    Subject: Ongoing G35 Saga
    From: "Marcos Della" <mdella@cstone.com>
    --> Beech-List message posted by: "Marcos Della" <mdella@cstone.com> I'd agree with Bob on thinking about a panel replacement while the windshield is out. To get the old panel out requires access to a bunch of screws and rivits as well as basically cutting most of the mounts out to replace the panel. I have an old C35 that I have a replaced panel. Here are a few pictures to give you an idea of what might be involved in making the changeover (I have a custom cut panel.. Well, until I got the nikita out :-), not the Dshannon mod...) http://www.geekstyle.net/gallery/N5877C-Instrument-Panel-Repairs Still posting pictures as I take them off my camera... This turned out to become a top-end on my plane and with all the down time, I took the panel out and added a GNS480/MX20 combo with some other stuff :-) If you EVER need to work on an older Bonanza panel for any reason, it's a nightmare getting to the wiring unless you've done something like this to allow for a complete panel removal (AMP twist connects, etc to pull the panel out) Marcos -----Original Message----- From: owner-beech-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-beech-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of OldBob Siegfried Subject: Re: Beech-List: Ongoing G35 Saga --> Beech-List message posted by: OldBob Siegfried --> <oldbob@beechowners.com> Good Morning Doug, You and that G35 might be the perfect match. Sounds like you have the right mechanic. I would still suggest that you try to make a personal contact with another long time owner of an early Bonanza before you make the leap. Oh yes, the one piece windshield is available in the standard slope that was used prior to about 1968 and the steeper slope that has been used ever since. There are a couple of different options when it comes to installing the windshields. It can be combined with a major modification to the instrument panel or you can just stick in a new windshield. There are even at least two different options for the modification to allow for a speed slope windshield and at least two different methods of fastening the window to the aircraft. Please get to a local Bonanza group flyin so that all of these variances can be seen in person. Why don't you try to make it to Rough River this weekend. We start on Thursday and go home on Sunday. It would be the best education you could get in three days. Where are you located? Happy Skies, Old Bob --- Doug Hodde <hodde@olcwireless.net> wrote: > --> Beech-List message posted by: "Doug Hodde" > <hodde@olcwireless.net> > > I appreciate all the advice I got from you guys on > the G35. > > I'm learning fast. > > My A&I has been taking care of this plane for the > last 10 years. He does > quite a bit of Bonanza work, and has been an A&P for > 53 years. > > The guy who owns the plane couldn't believe the > compressions were low and > went out and flew it. I think he thought the flight > might loosen up things > and help the compressions. They are rechecking the compressions as I > type. The guy who has it says he will do a top overhaul > and an annual prior to the > sale if I want him to. > > I have learned that there is only one gear motor - > My mistake. > > The guy who has it, took it in trade on his V35, and > it had not flown for 6 > months til yesterday. > > I will be going to the website and trying to > download the prebuy checklist. > > I was an auto mechanic prior to my current job, so I > think I could fix most > of this stuff myself, but I am a little concerned > about getting too deep > into it due to the legalities (I'm not an A&P). It > sounds like you guys do > a lot of work on your own planes - What do you feel comfortable > comfortable doing? > > My A&I says that for the last few years the owner > has spent about $100 a > month on average on maintainence surprises, and he > says this is a good plane > and he has no financial interest in the deal, so I'm > inclined to believe > him. > > My A&I has three complete E225's and a dozen spare > cylinders for it, so he > tells me not to worry too much about engine parts. > > Which windshield do you guys recommend and how much > should I expect it to > cost? I guess I don't understand the difference > between the Speed Slope > Windshield and the one piece windshield - Is there a difference? > > Thansk again - Doug > > > > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > > > > > >


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    Time: 11:32:58 AM PST US
    From: "Tom Henderson" <thender@adelphia.net>
    Subject: Re: Ongoing G35 Saga
    --> Beech-List message posted by: "Tom Henderson" <thender@adelphia.net> Doug- The one-piece windshield has the same contour as the existing windshield, but doesn't have the center column. It is a nice improvement. The speed-slope windshield has a different contour. The bottom edge is extended out almost to the firewall. This gives the plane a much sleeker look, and opens up the interior a bit as well. It costs a bit more to install, and will need some paint work afterwards as there is an aluminum skin piece about 2" wide along the entire bottom edge of the windshield. http://www.dbmods.com/windsheild-descrip.html While many shops do this kind of work, Jim Klug has a reputation for being the best in the biz. He travels the country so will eventually be in your area. I know you are mechanically inclined, but installing the windshields does require a lot of finesse, and many that have done it themselves swear up and down that they wish they had had Jim do it. So think about it. Another advantage to the SS is that it makes working behind the panel much easier. Your avionics guy will love you for it. Bobs advice about putting in a new panel is great if you can swing the cost. Hope this helps. -Tom Henderson Ventura, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Hodde" <hodde@olcwireless.net> Subject: Beech-List: Ongoing G35 Saga > --> Beech-List message posted by: "Doug Hodde" <hodde@olcwireless.net> > > I appreciate all the advice I got from you guys on the G35. > > I'm learning fast. > > My A&I has been taking care of this plane for the last 10 years. He does > quite a bit of Bonanza work, and has been an A&P for 53 years. > > The guy who owns the plane couldn't believe the compressions were low and > went out and flew it. I think he thought the flight might loosen up > things > and help the compressions. They are rechecking the compressions as I > type. > The guy who has it says he will do a top overhaul and an annual prior to > the > sale if I want him to. > > I have learned that there is only one gear motor - My mistake. > > The guy who has it, took it in trade on his V35, and it had not flown for > 6 > months til yesterday. > > I will be going to the website and trying to download the prebuy > checklist. > > I was an auto mechanic prior to my current job, so I think I could fix > most > of this stuff myself, but I am a little concerned about getting too deep > into it due to the legalities (I'm not an A&P). It sounds like you guys > do > a lot of work on your own planes - What do you feel comfortable > comfortable > doing? > > My A&I says that for the last few years the owner has spent about $100 a > month on average on maintainence surprises, and he says this is a good > plane > and he has no financial interest in the deal, so I'm inclined to believe > him. > > My A&I has three complete E225's and a dozen spare cylinders for it, so he > tells me not to worry too much about engine parts. > > Which windshield do you guys recommend and how much should I expect it to > cost? I guess I don't understand the difference between the Speed Slope > Windshield and the one piece windshield - Is there a difference? > > Thansk again - Doug > > >


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    Time: 01:40:31 PM PST US
    From: Eric Poole <epoole@scoot.netis.com>
    Subject: Re: Ongoing G35 Saga
    --> Beech-List message posted by: Eric Poole <epoole@scoot.netis.com> At 11:32 AM 5/11/2005 -0700, Tom Henderson wrote: <TH>>>>>While many shops do this kind of work, Jim Klug has a reputation for being the best in the biz. He travels the country so will eventually be in your area. ... Another advantage to the SS is that it makes working behind the panel much easier. Your avionics guy will love you for it. Bobs advice about putting in a new panel is great if you can swing the cost.<<<<< Another person who travels the country installing windshields (and tip tanks and big baggage doors and other stuff) is Douglas Kelly (888-328-4629). He is closely associated with Beryl D'Shannon although I don't know if he is actually an employee of theirs. I had him replace my windshield several years ago and he did an excellent job. As part of the Speedslope windshield installation, Doug cuts out your permanent glareshield and installs a removeable glareshield. I'm pretty sure that Jim Klug does the same thing. That is what makes it SO much easier to access behind the panel when you need to. As for upgrading the panel, take a look at my panel at http://www.rkt-tech.com/n122x. That panel was fabricated and installed by Penn Avionics in Collegeville, PA. Price was approximately a third of what I was quoted for a Beryl D'Shannon panel, although the work is a lot less, too ... mine is what people call a "piano keys up" panel that doesn't require any structural changes and doesn't require an STC. Eric Poole Bonanza N122X


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    Time: 07:03:48 PM PST US
    From: Robert Starnes <a35plt@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Ongoing G35 Saga
    --> Beech-List message posted by: Robert Starnes <a35plt@yahoo.com> Eric, Thanks for posting pics and narrating your project. I found it very motivating and am going to save it. Just further proof that a restored Bonanza beats the pants off a new 172 any day and is still cheaper... -Robert Starnes Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html




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