---------------------------------------------------------- Beech-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 10/11/06: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:42 AM - Re: cleveland brakes and gear doors (Masterson, Fred) 2. 05:35 AM - Re: Main gear doors (Murray Randall) 3. 10:22 AM - Main gear doors (Robin Hou) 4. 10:50 AM - Re: Main gear doors (Tom Henderson) 5. 02:38 PM - Re: cleveland brakes and gear doors (Home) 6. 02:59 PM - Re: cleveland brakes and gear doors (Bruce Bell) 7. 06:25 PM - Re: cleveland brakes and gear doors (carmine pecoraro) 8. 10:11 PM - Re: cleveland brakes and gear doors (Home) 9. 11:19 PM - Re: Main gear doors (Bob Verwey) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:42:48 AM PST US From: "Masterson, Fred" Subject: RE: Beech-List: cleveland brakes and gear doors I have the same kit on my straight 35 (SS# D-495) and have no problem. Check the inboard and ouboard spacers for the wheels they are slightly different lengths on mine. The fuel tank drain is easy. I use 4 clean buckets from Home Depot and a drip pan. With 2 people you swap on the fly or stop the flow with your finger. That will also flush the tank and you can see anything that might be in there. Of all of the things in the world I found a bug once. You also might be surprised. Fred Masterson N3084V -----Original Message----- From: owner-beech-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-beech-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bruce Bell Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 6:12 PM Subject: Re: Beech-List: cleveland brakes and gear doors --> Beech-List message posted by: "Bruce Bell" Don't know about the rubbing but the Curtis drain valve can be replaced with out removing the tank. Two people work best one to stick his finger over the hole to stop the fuel flow and the other to reinstall the valve. A little messy but gets the job done. Take proper precautions with the fuel. Use a drip pan and put your cigars out! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Home" Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 5:56 PM Subject: Beech-List: cleveland brakes and gear doors > --> Beech-List message posted by: Home > > I recently installed the Cleveland brake kit 199-50 which uses the 6.5x8 > rims and and Superhawks tires. I find the outside edge of the calipers > are just rubbing the main gear doors. I checked and the tires are up > tight when retracted. Any ideas? > > Also, I have a Curtis drain valve that needs changing on the left main > tank. This is the hose clamp type. It looks like I have to pull the > bladder to change it. Am I right? > > thanks for the help, rob. > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:35:08 AM PST US From: "Murray Randall" Subject: Re: Beech-List: Main gear doors The gear motor does grind up a lot of carbon dust I clean mine every year and have had to clean a few in the Out Islands of the Bahamas Its an easy job to pull the passenger's seat, disconnect the wires (mark for reinstallation), back out the three motor mounting machine screws, pull the motor toward the rear, catch the first gear. With the motor removed and on the bench, remove the black plastic brush holder, pull the brushes. Remove the long motor assembly screws allowing disassembly of the motor. Finally clean everything with a tooth brush and lacquer thinner If you go thru this ritual periodically you will have a more reliable gear and fewer motor overhauls and operating with a dirty motor is inadvisable Murray Randall ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:22:50 AM PST US From: Robin Hou Subject: Beech-List: Main gear doors Thanks. I will check free play on the ground, and put it on jacks to time retract & check free play again. Will report back what I find. Robin ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:50:11 AM PST US From: "Tom Henderson" Subject: Re: Beech-List: Main gear doors Robin- Do the retract/extend timing in the air as aero loads can affect the timing. You can check the free play in the air too. Just remember which way to turn for the up and down checks. One issue with ground swings is that the system voltage can affect motor performance. In the air, loads are higher due to air forces but motor voltage is higher too; probably ~14V vs ~12V on the ground (battery only) Some folks will argue that the lower voltage offsets the air loads. But the best place to verify the free play and the timing is in the air. My $.02. -TH ----- Original Message ----- From: Robin Hou To: Beech Matronics Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 10:17 AM Subject: Beech-List: Main gear doors Thanks. I will check free play on the ground, and put it on jacks to time retract & check free play again. Will report back what I find. Robin ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:38:12 PM PST US From: Home Subject: Re: Beech-List: cleveland brakes and gear doors --> Beech-List message posted by: Home Great advice, thanks. How did you reach the hose clamp too loosen up the drain valve? It doesn't look like there is an easy access panel in sight for the main tanks. thanks, Rob. -----Original Message----- >From: Bruce Bell >Sent: Oct 10, 2006 4:12 PM >To: beech-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Beech-List: cleveland brakes and gear doors > >--> Beech-List message posted by: "Bruce Bell" > >Don't know about the rubbing but the Curtis drain valve can be replaced with >out removing the tank. Two people work best one to stick his finger over the >hole to stop the fuel flow and the other to reinstall the valve. A little >messy but gets the job done. Take proper precautions with the fuel. Use a >drip pan and put your cigars out! >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Home" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 5:56 PM >Subject: Beech-List: cleveland brakes and gear doors > > >> --> Beech-List message posted by: Home >> >> I recently installed the Cleveland brake kit 199-50 which uses the 6.5x8 >> rims and and Superhawks tires. I find the outside edge of the calipers >> are just rubbing the main gear doors. I checked and the tires are up >> tight when retracted. Any ideas? >> >> Also, I have a Curtis drain valve that needs changing on the left main >> tank. This is the hose clamp type. It looks like I have to pull the >> bladder to change it. Am I right? >> >> thanks for the help, rob. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:59:07 PM PST US From: "Bruce Bell" Subject: Re: Beech-List: cleveland brakes and gear doors --> Beech-List message posted by: "Bruce Bell" Can't be for sure but a small box wrench is what I used to loosen the clamp. It's been about 20 or more years since I replaced mine. It is close but you can work through the opening in the wing. On my A35 anyway. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Home" Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 4:37 PM Subject: Re: Beech-List: cleveland brakes and gear doors > --> Beech-List message posted by: Home > > Great advice, thanks. > > How did you reach the hose clamp too loosen up the drain valve? It > doesn't look like there is an easy access panel in sight for the main > tanks. > > thanks, Rob. > > -----Original Message----- >>From: Bruce Bell >>Sent: Oct 10, 2006 4:12 PM >>To: beech-list@matronics.com >>Subject: Re: Beech-List: cleveland brakes and gear doors >> >>--> Beech-List message posted by: "Bruce Bell" >> >>Don't know about the rubbing but the Curtis drain valve can be replaced >>with >>out removing the tank. Two people work best one to stick his finger over >>the >>hole to stop the fuel flow and the other to reinstall the valve. A little >>messy but gets the job done. Take proper precautions with the fuel. Use a >>drip pan and put your cigars out! >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Home" >>To: >>Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 5:56 PM >>Subject: Beech-List: cleveland brakes and gear doors >> >> >>> --> Beech-List message posted by: Home >>> >>> I recently installed the Cleveland brake kit 199-50 which uses the 6.5x8 >>> rims and and Superhawks tires. I find the outside edge of the calipers >>> are just rubbing the main gear doors. I checked and the tires are up >>> tight when retracted. Any ideas? >>> >>> Also, I have a Curtis drain valve that needs changing on the left main >>> tank. This is the hose clamp type. It looks like I have to pull the >>> bladder to change it. Am I right? >>> >>> thanks for the help, rob. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:25:07 PM PST US From: "carmine pecoraro" Subject: RE: Beech-List: cleveland brakes and gear doors I use a wrench from a cheap ignition set. The real cheap ones that are flat and thin. They look like they are stamped out during manufacture. Thin eno ugh to get into the small access area. I also use a rounded end dowl made o ut of aluminum to plug the fuel. i believe it's 1/2" diameter. Smooth wood would work okay. Carmine cheers carmine pecoraro > From: brucebell74@sbcglobal.net> To: beech-list@matronics.com> Subject: R e: Beech-List: cleveland brakes and gear doors> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 16:5 8:27 -0500> > --> Beech-List message posted by: "Bruce Bell" > > Can't be for sure but a small box wrench is what I used to loosen the clamp. > It's been about 20 or more years since I replaced mine . It is close but you > can work through the opening in the wing. On my A35 anyway.> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Home" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 4:37 P M> Subject: Re: Beech-List: cleveland brakes and gear doors> > > > --> Beec h-List message posted by: Home > >> > Great advice, t hanks.> >> > How did you reach the hose clamp too loosen up the drain valve ? It > > doesn't look like there is an easy access panel in sight for the main > > tanks.> >> > thanks, Rob.> >> > -----Original Message-----> >>Fro m: Bruce Bell > >>Sent: Oct 10, 2006 4:12 PM> >> nd gear doors> >>> >>--> Beech-List message posted by: "Bruce Bell" > >>> >>Don't know about the rubbing but the Curtis dra in valve can be replaced > >>with> >>out removing the tank. Two people work best one to stick his finger over > >>the> >>hole to stop the fuel flow an d the other to reinstall the valve. A little> >>messy but gets the job done . Take proper precautions with the fuel. Use a> >>drip pan and put your cig ars out!> >>----- Original Message ----- > >>From: "Home" > >>To: > >>Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 5:56 PM> >>Subject: Beech-List: cleveland brakes and gear doors> >>> >>> >> > --> Beech-List message posted by: Home > >>>> >>> I recently installed the Cleveland brake kit 199-50 which uses the 6.5x8> >> > rims and and Superhawks tires. I find the outside edge of the calipers> >>> are just rubbing the main gear doors. I checked and the tires are up> >>> tight when retracted. Any ideas?> >>>> >>> Also, I have a Curtis dr ain valve that needs changing on the left main> >>> tank. This is the hose clamp type. It looks like I have to pull the> >>> bladder to change it. Am I right?> >>>> >>> thanks for the help, rob.> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> =====> > > _________________________________________________________________ Stay connected with the news, people, places and online services that matte r to you on Live.com http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx?icid=T001MSN30A0701 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:11:26 PM PST US From: Home Subject: RE: Beech-List: cleveland brakes and gear doors --> Beech-List message posted by: Home Thanks so much for the help on changing the fuel drain valve. It looks a lot more doable now. As to the brakes I'll have to remove them and inspect all the spacer dimensions to see if there right. I also heard some tire brands are slightly larger than normal and take up more room. Maybe the Superhawks are thicker and not allowing the gear to retract the last little bit need to clear the calipers. thanks, rob -----Original Message----- >From: carmine pecoraro >Sent: Oct 11, 2006 6:24 PM >To: Bruce Bell >Subject: RE: Beech-List: cleveland brakes and gear doors > >I use a wrench from a cheap ignition set. The real cheap ones that are flat and thin. They look like they are stamped out during manufacture. Thin enough to get into the small access area. I also use a rounded end dowl made out of aluminum to plug the fuel. i believe it's 1/2" diameter. Smooth wood would work okay. >Carmine >cheers carmine pecoraro > > >> From: brucebell74@sbcglobal.net> To: beech-list@matronics.com> Subject: Re: Beech-List: cleveland brakes and gear doors> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 16:58:27 -0500> > --> Beech-List message posted by: "Bruce Bell" > > Can't be for sure but a small box wrench is what I used to loosen the clamp. > It's been about 20 or more years since I replaced mine. It is close but you > can work through the opening in the wing. On my A35 anyway.> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Home" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 4:37 PM> Subject: Re: Beech-List: cleveland brakes and gear doors> > > > --> Beech-List message posted by: Home > >> > Great advice, thanks.> >> > How did you reach the hose clamp too loosen up the drain valve? It > > doesn't look like there is an easy access panel in sight for the main > > tanks.> >> > thanks, Rob.> >> > -----Original Message-----> >>From: Bruce Bell > >>Sent: Oct 10, 2006 4:12 PM> >>To: beech-list@matronics.com> >>Subject: Re: Beech-List: cleveland brakes and gear doors> >>> >>--> Beech-List message posted by: "Bruce Bell" > >>> >>Don't know about the rubbing but the Curtis drain valve can be replaced > >>with> >>out removing the tank. Two people work best one to stick his finger over > >>the> >>hole to stop the fuel flow and the other to reinstall the valve. A little> >>messy but gets the job done. Take proper precautions with the fuel. Use a> >>drip pan and put your cigars out!> >>----- Original Message ----- > >>From: "Home" > >>To: > >>Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 5:56 PM> >>Subject: Beech-List: cleveland brakes and gear doors> >>> >>> >>> --> Beech-List message posted by: Home > >>>> >>> I recently installed the Cleveland brake kit 199-50 which uses the 6.5x8> >>> rims and and Superhawks ti res. I find the outside edge of the calipers> >>> are just rubbing the main gear doors. I checked and the tires are up> >>> tight when retracted. Any ideas?> >>>> >>> Also, I have a Curtis drain valve that needs changing on the left main> >>> tank. This is the hose clamp type. It looks like I have to pull the> >>> bladder to change it. Am I right?> >>>> >>> thanks for the help, rob.> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> =====> > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Stay connected with the news, people, places and online services that matter to you on Live.com >http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx?icid=T001MSN30A0701 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:19:14 PM PST US From: "Bob Verwey " Subject: RE: Beech-List: Main gear doors --> Beech-List message posted by: "Bob Verwey " Murray I would have thought the thinner might damage certain insulating materials? Bob Verwey A35 -----Original Message----- From: owner-beech-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-beech-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Murray Randall Sent: 11 October 2006 02:33 PM Subject: Re: Beech-List: Main gear doors The gear motor does grind up a lot of carbon dust I clean mine every year and have had to clean a few in the Out Islands of the Bahamas Its an easy job to pull the passenger's seat, disconnect the wires (mark for reinstallation), back out the three motor mounting machine screws, pull the motor toward the rear, catch the first gear. With the motor removed and on the bench, remove the black plastic brush holder, pull the brushes. Remove the long motor assembly screws allowing disassembly of the motor. Finally clean everything with a tooth brush and lacquer thinner If you go thru this ritual periodically you will have a more reliable gear and fewer motor overhauls and operating with a dirty motor is inadvisable Murray Randall