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| Subject: | Re: Beech-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 10/28/06 |
--> Beech-List message posted by: Charles Reiche <charlieray@optonline.net>
Check your brushes in the motor. and make sure they are not too old. There
is a service kit for older beech that modifies the electrical system of the
gear that reroutes the high current load out of things like your up and down
limit switches and changes them to a "control" system. Im not sure of the
kit number but we install it in our shop when the gear travel time exceeds
about 10 seconds. Especially in the up direction, if your system takes more
than 10 seconds, you should replace the selector switch and the limit
switches and it would be a good idea to install the kit....
Just an Idea,
Charles
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> From: "jmm" <jmm@northboone.com>
> Subject: Beech-List: Gear extension
>
> I have a V35A.... when we flew it the other day, we had to go to a manual
> gear extension because the circuit breaker kept blowing when we moved the
> switch.
>
> We have it up on jacks now, and it will pull the gear up very nicely...
> but
> extending the gear is another story. The gear starts to extend, but then
> after about 3 seconds of operation, the circuit breaker goes.... reset the
> circuit breaker and you have another 3 seconds of operation before it goes
> again.
>
> We've taken all the connections off and cleaned them without any change.
> There doesn't seem to be any binding when manually extending the gear.
>
> The plane just came out of annual.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Mike Maloney
>
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| Subject: | RE: Beech-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 10/28/06 |
--> Beech-List message posted by: "GARY ROUTH" <infoserv@edge.net>
Circuit breaker itself is suspect. Age can be the original factor and then
being "cycled" several times can mean its retirement time for that one.
Check that before doing more expensive stuff.
Gary
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> From: "jmm" <jmm@northboone.com>
> Subject: Beech-List: Gear extension
>
> I have a V35A.... when we flew it the other day, we had to go to a manual
> gear extension because the circuit breaker kept blowing when we moved the
> switch.
>
> We have it up on jacks now, and it will pull the gear up very nicely...
but
> extending the gear is another story. The gear starts to extend, but then
> after about 3 seconds of operation, the circuit breaker goes.... reset the
> circuit breaker and you have another 3 seconds of operation before it goes
> again.
>
> We've taken all the connections off and cleaned them without any change.
> There doesn't seem to be any binding when manually extending the gear.
>
> The plane just came out of annual.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Mike Maloney
>
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10/27/2006
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Beech-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 10/28/06 |
--> Beech-List message posted by: Rob Breitbarth <rob87b@earthlink.net>
If you are an ABS member and have the ABS CD, Lew Gage has a number of articles
about trouble shooting the beech landing gear electrical system.
It would seem somewhere you have a high ohm reading causing high current draw on
extension. Usually the gear motor gives trouble retracting, since this is
the highest load time, not extending. It would pay to check the curcuit out
with an ohm meter including all the switches.
rob.
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>Sent: Oct 29, 2006 5:14 AM
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>--> Beech-List message posted by: "GARY ROUTH" <infoserv@edge.net>
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>Circuit breaker itself is suspect. Age can be the original factor and then
>being "cycled" several times can mean its retirement time for that one.
>Check that before doing more expensive stuff.
>
>Gary
>
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>> Date: 10/29/2006 12:56:57 AM
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>> Time: 02:53:58 PM PST US
>> From: "jmm" <jmm@northboone.com>
>> Subject: Beech-List: Gear extension
>>
>> I have a V35A.... when we flew it the other day, we had to go to a manual
>> gear extension because the circuit breaker kept blowing when we moved the
>> switch.
>>
>> We have it up on jacks now, and it will pull the gear up very nicely...
>but
>> extending the gear is another story. The gear starts to extend, but then
>> after about 3 seconds of operation, the circuit breaker goes.... reset the
>> circuit breaker and you have another 3 seconds of operation before it goes
>> again.
>>
>> We've taken all the connections off and cleaned them without any change.
>> There doesn't seem to be any binding when manually extending the gear.
>>
>> The plane just came out of annual.
>>
>> Any ideas?
>>
>> Mike Maloney
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Beech-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 10/28/06 |
--> Beech-List message posted by: <hoot7@earthlink.net>
Mike,
I had a problem where the gear circuit breaker popped every time the gear
came up. We had the gear motor overhauled, and although it needed it, that
wasn't the problem. My AP finally caught that the ammeter was showing a
load after the gear was up until the breaker popped. Turned out it was
one of the gear up limit switches. There are a total of four normally on or
off switches plus one for the gear warning horn located under the front
seats. One of them was sticking when the gear came up thus not shutting off
the motor which ultimately caused the breaker to pop. We replaced all of
them, and it works fine. Arrell has them for $13 apiece. Hope this helps.
Dan Gibson
'66 Debonair, LHM
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> 1. 02:53 PM - Gear extension (jmm)
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> Time: 02:53:58 PM PST US
> From: "jmm" <jmm@northboone.com>
> Subject: Beech-List: Gear extension
>
> I have a V35A.... when we flew it the other day, we had to go to a manual
> gear extension because the circuit breaker kept blowing when we moved the
> switch.
>
> We have it up on jacks now, and it will pull the gear up very nicely...
> but
> extending the gear is another story. The gear starts to extend, but then
> after about 3 seconds of operation, the circuit breaker goes.... reset the
> circuit breaker and you have another 3 seconds of operation before it goes
> again.
>
> We've taken all the connections off and cleaned them without any change.
> There doesn't seem to be any binding when manually extending the gear.
>
> The plane just came out of annual.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Mike Maloney
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Beech-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 10/28/06 |
--> Beech-List message posted by: OldBob Siegfried <oldbob@beechowners.com>
Good Morning Hoot and Mike,
A very quick check to catch such a failure is to check
the amount of free turn that is left after the gear is
retracted or extended. On all except the very newest
Bonanzas, and derivative aircraft, there should be
between one eighth and one quarter turn of free motion
left after the motor hits the stop switch and the
mechanism hits the internal mechanical stop.
That check should absolutely be made any time any work
is performed on, or any problem develops with, that
landing gear. I check it myself about every
twenty-five to fifty hours of operation all year long.
If the mechanism is allowed to hit the mechanical
stops, severe internal damage may occur.
The travel can be easily checked while airborne by
trying to turn the handle to the right, clockwise.
(the cranking UP mode). If you are nervous about
possibly turning it the wrong way, you could pull the
circuit breaker before trying the check, but if the
landing gear has retracted fully, turning it to the
right should not be dangerous at all. If you try to
extend it without pulling the circuit breaker, you
could break a wrist if the motor takes over.
The same method will allow you to check the down
travel after the landing gear has been extended
normally. For the gear down travel check, turn the
handle counter clockwise which is the gear down mode
of operation.
Any help at all?
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Ancient Aviator
Stearman N3977A
Brookeridge Air Park LL22
Downers Grove, IL 60516
630 985-8503
--- hoot7@earthlink.net wrote:
> --> Beech-List message posted by:
> <hoot7@earthlink.net>
>
> Mike,
>
> I had a problem where the gear circuit breaker
> popped every time the gear
> came up. We had the gear motor overhauled, and
> although it needed it, that
> wasn't the problem. My AP finally caught that the
> ammeter was showing a
> load after the gear was up until the breaker popped.
> Turned out it was
> one of the gear up limit switches. There are a
> total of four normally on or
> off switches plus one for the gear warning horn
> located under the front
> seats. One of them was sticking when the gear came
> up thus not shutting off
> the motor which ultimately caused the breaker to
> pop. We replaced all of
> them, and it works fine. Arrell has them for $13
> apiece. Hope this helps.
>
> Dan Gibson
> '66 Debonair, LHM
>
>
>
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> > From: "jmm" <jmm@northboone.com>
> > Subject: Beech-List: Gear extension
> >
> > I have a V35A.... when we flew it the other day,
> we had to go to a manual
> > gear extension because the circuit breaker kept
> blowing when we moved the
> > switch.
> >
> > We have it up on jacks now, and it will pull the
> gear up very nicely...
> > but
> > extending the gear is another story. The gear
> starts to extend, but then
> > after about 3 seconds of operation, the circuit
> breaker goes.... reset the
> > circuit breaker and you have another 3 seconds of
> operation before it goes
> > again.
> >
> > We've taken all the connections off and cleaned
> them without any change.
> > There doesn't seem to be any binding when manually
> extending the gear.
> >
> > The plane just came out of annual.
> >
> > Any ideas?
> >
> > Mike Maloney
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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